Talk:Port of Cork

Article wants to make up mind

Coming across this article when looking for info about Ringaskiddy I was struck how it is sort of trying to cover four major locations, and that isn't mentioned in the lede and the infobox only seems to cover Cork City. I may or may not have a slight go at improving this; but I come mainly from the angles of the railways and also from Martin White (Royal Navy officer) who mapped it around 1820 in the same manner as Captain Bligh did for Dublin Bay. I have, at the time of this posting, never been to Cork. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Another issue is the Cork harbour article covers the maritime geography. This article needs to cover the commercial port under the jurisdiction of the Port of Cork Company. That really means the refinery berths, Cobh, perhaps Haulbowline, Ringaskiddy, Monkstown/Passage, Marino Point, Tivoli and the city berths. Whether it should be organised on a location basis, or perhaps by commodity/cargo, is a moot point. By location might be interesting, but might be difficult to get reliable sources for all of it, other than from the article subject themselves, the Port of Cork Company. I would think that each of the location articles can mention their own port facilities and reference back to this article with a {{main}} hatnote. Fob.schools (talk) 20:45, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

My suggestion would be divided by location. I've dabbled with this article a little, and also related commons categories (and hopefully helped more than hindered). If I took a notion and came back to this article I'd probably subsection it by location; splitting out a subpage if one became too big. By location also allows each article location to grow to its own natural size. It also works well for a Template:Infobox port at each location if each has an article and the associated Wikidata works a little better also. I currently just rambling on throwing thoughts out to mull.21:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-leighpark (talk • contribs)

Hi. As noted, Port of Cork (the subject of this article) is the company. Which oversee the entire port. Including all its locations: Cork city (quays), Ringaskiddy (deepwater), Tivoli (dock), Cobh (cruise). While the infobox probably needs work to cover these locations fully (rather than just seeming to refer to the city quays), I'm not sure what other major issues there are. A section or sub-section (covering the locations) might be worthwhile. Perhaps similar to Swansea docks#Docks. But, as noted, the sources for that type of content would likely be relatively limited. And we'd need to be careful with overlaps with the articles on Tivoli, Ringaskiddy, Cork Harbour, etc. I may be misreading the proposal, but I wouldn't personally favour splitting the article. Certainly not any time soon. If the content on the history or geography or other aspects of (for example) the Ringaskiddy facilities got "too big", then one would imagine that much of it could be covered in the existing Ringaskiddy article. Rather than a 3rd (or 4th) fork. Anyway, if a "facilities" section is in the offing, and its to be structured/sectioned by location, then I'm happy to assist. Guliolopez (talk) 10:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm mainly here as a sidestory for checking stuff for upcoming Cork and Youghal Railway which has drifted into Cork Railways but its also made me look at other Cork Harbour shipping history related as well, in fact I find the history here the fascinating bit (History of shipping in Cork Harbour!). I really want to avoid getting into the detail of the modern Port of Cork, but as a casual visitor to the article was struck how its a long drive from Ringaskiddy to Cobh. From a rail viewpoint there's no connection to Ringaskiddy. I'm rambling again but I'm sort of half trying to keep myself from being dragged back to article, which is purported to be mid-importance.Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:14, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

The penny often takes a long time to drop with me but I'm moving to what I think is Fob.schools's observation article needs to primary focal point on Port of Cork the Company and its purposes and responsibities (and manke that clear in opening lede sentenace). That said may need to describe the assets (locations) and maybe a tad of context if necessary. I may (or may not) drop in and attempt a WP:BOLD restructure at some point; I may but up an under construction when doing so but I'd aim to keep that up for 2 or 3 hours (but then I'll get an RL phone call and have to drop anything), and I may use bare URLs temporarily to move quicker. Thanks. Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:01, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Feb 2023

In recent weeks, a number of different IPs/users have added very similar content to the article. (For example here, here and here.) In each case, similar promotional text was added (about the subject company operating a "key seaport", being a "hugely important catalyst for trade and employment", having "strong financial performance, with [..] a strong focus on efficiency", stuff about a "monumental moment for the [company]", etc.) In each case relying on primary sources (the company's own website) and very much reading like re-published press release as a result. Related editors should (re)read the WP:NOTPROMO and WP:NPOV guidelines. And also note the WP:PRIMARY guidelines. Editors with a potential conflict of interest should also read WP:COI. And, in particular, the stuff about raising concerns/changes on this article talk page. Rather than making edits directly. Guliolopez (talk) 12:16, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Bump. The COI/SPA/PROMO edits continue. Presenting promotional quotes from representatives of the company as objective fact, effectively copy/pasting the content of press-releases and generally treating this article as a promotional outlet. If related editors have already read WP:NOTPROMO, WP:NPOV and WP:COI guidelines, and continue to edit in this way (without engagement), then escalation is the next option. Guliolopez (talk) 11:06, 8 March 2023 (UTC)