Talk:Pneumonic plague

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Addition of "Signs and Symptoms" picture

On the Black Death pages, Signs and symptoms has a pretty good picture of a human body and organs targeted.--Jonthecheet (talk) 20:39, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Eradicated in China?

How can the disease be "eradicated" from a country that still has cases, even occasional? There are reports today that China has quarentined an entire town due to this illness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.181.161.250 (talk) 19:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I don't know whether English is not your first language or you didn't actually read the whole sentence or what but it was not necessary to add mostly as you did here [1]. The original sentence was grammatically correct and I presume accurate. China has either mostly eradicated the plague or they've eradicated it from mostly parts of their country. Your addition, saying they've mostly eradicated the plague from most parts of the correct was, if not grammatically incorrect, very odd English. Nil Einne (talk) 17:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/23/Chinese-City-Sealed-Off-Due-To-Bubonic-Plague — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.229.12 (talk) 00:09, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Quick note for future edit

Bubonic plague, aka Black Plague: only contagious when poor hygiene and poor pest control allow fleas and black rats to flourish in close proximity to humans (where there is no fleas OR no rats, there is no chance of infection), 30-50% untreated fatality rate. Very low risk of epidemic spread when basic pest control and body/clothing hygiene is undertaken.

Pneumonic plague: SEVERELY contagious (similar virulence to common cold), spread by post-bubonic metastasis to lungs (~1% of bubonic cases) but mostly by aerosol droplets from coughs (which is a major symptom of the disease), symptoms mimic bronchitis or flu, 100% lethal if not treated within first 24 hours, death within 3 days (extremely fast). More lethal, more virulent, and faster death than Ebola Zaire virus. Potential for catastrophic pandemic spread via coughs and face-to-face contact with infected individuals.

This was notes I made from an article on plague. I'll see if I can find a place to add it. Bullzeye ^contribs 02:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Ukraine pneumonic plague of November 2009 - true or false?

The present Ukrainian "pneumonic plague" story is being reported in the Daily Express. However, it also seems like the people propounding this story are confounding it into a conspiracy theory involving chemtrails and biological weapons.

Certainly I'd strongly discount any story coming from the countries of the former USSR, given the paranoid conspiracy theories that originate from there and the laughable standards of their press, at least until this information is verified (or disproven) by someone in the West with some standards of honesty. I hope that some editor with this page on their watchlist will vigilantly watch the page for the next few days to make sure craziness doesn't appear in this Wikipedia article. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 18:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

That's rather discriminate, AllGlory. Neurolanis (talk) 01:13, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

As you're not calling it "discriminatory", thank you. :-) Seriously, I see so much garbage in the eastern European press that it boggles my mind. I tried to google this ongoing (perhaps) Ukrainian story, and the only non-eastern sources I found were people asserting that the disease was being spread by chemtrails as part of a secret government bioweapons program. This, to me, makes the story less than worthless until some better sources come forward. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 02:57, 18 November 2009(UTC)

Actually, chemtrails are seen everywhere (if you can discern cloud from sky, you can discern chemtrail from cloud (just above your head.) Besides that, governments are now admitting to weather modification. So how could it possibly be 'far fetched' anymore? See http://www.lvrj.com/news/funding-avoids-shutdown-of-decades-long-program-64478477.html and http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1930822,00.html?xid=rss-topstories-cnnpartner&imw=Y

Neurolanis (talk) 21:46, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

In fact, it is not pneumonic plague at all, according to the RNW article I just sourced in. It's just H1N1, and the Ukrainian government is simply pumping up the hysterical paranoia of its populace to cover up its own incompetence. I'll leave it up to a regular watcher of this article to delete the entire "Ukraine" section of this article on their own... in fact, maybe I should splice my edits into the H1N1 article? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 03:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah - I just checked, Neurolanis. I'm sorry, I didn't know you were a conspiracy theorist. Now I understand. Don't worry, I've sent out our secret assassination team, they'll be coming by shortly to neutralize you. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 03:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

You mean because of my points on 9/11. I never theorize conspiracies, that would be extremely unwise; just as unwise as, say, ignoring important facts when they scare you. You see, someone has to respect the truth. Neurolanis (talk) 21:56, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Forget it, I checked the history, and I saw this silly Ukrainian chemtrails conspiracy theory business has been repeatedly added to the article by numbered IPs since the story came out at the end of October. I'll delete the section, as there is no non-crazy source that is asserting it to be pneumonic plague. Feel free to add this info to the 2009 flu pandemic article; but as it's not pneumatic plague, keep it out of this article. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 03:37, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

"Silly" is an emotional opinion. They're in the sky for anyone to see who has sky to see (clear skies.) It's like arguing that there is no such thing as elephants because I don't see any where I live. Weather modification has been admitted, chemtrails will be next my friend. Neurolanis (talk) 05:07, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

i disagree from mainstream news russia today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcPr3QzChs&feature=player_embedded —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manchurian candidate (talk • contribs) 08:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Manchurian, I think you'll find that AllGlory is young, lived most of his life in America and has an "attitude" - i.e. does not interact respectfully and soberly but instead dismisses honest people and calls them crazy and insults them. He'll have no problem insisting that the people at Russia Today are all crazy and stupid, unlike himself, who he believes to be mentally healthy and super-intelligent. Basically, he's got low self-esteem, and needs to demean and insult others to protect his ego. These people treat other people very badly and are very unwise and immature. They fear ridicule above all else and constantly dish it out to others. Very immoral, actually, but part of the cocky attitude is a rejection of decent, moral, respectable behavior. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.16.163 (talk) 09:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not American, Mr. conspiracy-theory-minded anonymous IP, and my ex-Uzbek friend who I chatted with yesterday agrees with me that the ex-USSR media is a propaganda machine that can't be trusted. As for that youtube video, it notes that these are simply conspiracy theories - oh, and also gives some airtime to noted American crank and birther/conspiracy theorist Wayne Madsen... so that's proof enough for me. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 23:52, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I have tagged it for moving. The article deals with bacterial plague, not with viral influenza as the section does. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Agree with move, although not in this form (see my comments at Talk:2009 flu pandemic in Europe#Ukraine again). Some constructive criticism , the section was terrible written: it putted words in the mouth of Daily Express, mostly relaying on 1 source (and even worse 1 persons opinion), not clarifying what those elections are about let alone linking to the article about it.... Yushchenko is so low in polls I wouldn't call him a "challenger" also. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 00:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Agree with move or deletion, the indefinite article in the reference to a new strain of the influenza virus by the Express as "a single pneumonic plague" clearly indicates that the article did not intended to imply that the virus has somehow changed into the bacterial pneumonic plague. As there have been quite some weeks without further discussion, is it now OK to delete what is at best a misleading link? Deus Ex Penguin (talk) 19:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

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"The outbreak was caused by a pitbull"

It seems like this statement, tacked on at the end of the section, is both unnecessary detail and not accurate. The outbreak wasn't cause by a pitbull, but rather a flea that was previously on another animal that was then on the pitbull. So what does the dog breed (which is a controversial breed) have to add to the article. Nightmarymke (talk) 02:53, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree that the breed is irrelevant, but it's not clear that the dog was simply a host for an infected flea or if the dog spread the disease directly. From the CDC report http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6416a1.htm it's clear that it is possible for pneumonic plague to spread directly (without the fleas) and it appears that this is believed to have been the case here. Meters (talk) 03:11, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Like said above the breed has no correlation to the actual spread of the pneumonic plague.

Prevention

Per "pneumonic form may occur following an initial bubonic or septicemic plague infection"

So avoiding rodents prevents the bubonic and septicemic form and thus would prevent the pneumonic form.

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)