Talk:Pirates of Silicon Valley/Archive 1

Archive 1

-Does anybody know what the song is that Steve Jobs is playing when he demands Bill Gates go to his office to call him out on stealing the Mac OS. Also does anybody know what the full soundtrack it.

I've removed the amazingly badly written "Soundtrack" section. If anyone knows more about the film than I do, feel free to restore it (with heavy corrections.) The Zaniak 15:01, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I often wondered how Jobs felt about this movie. It puts him in a very unflattering light, particularly with regards to his daughter, Lisa.

Kind of an answer Mlewan 11:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The exchange between him and Gates at the end reminded me of a story about an American colonel overseeing the ceasefire in Vietnam (Jobs seemed to like to use warlike comparisons when describing his vision). The colonel told his NVA counterpart that "there was never a time when you beat us on the battlefield." The officer replied, "That may be so, but it is irrelevant." It was almost exactly the same as Jobs and Gates going at it: "We are still better than you guys; we have better stuff." "You don't get it: THAT DOESN'T MATTER."

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"The central story of the film begins in the early 1970s and ends in 1985 when Steve Jobs resigned from Apple Computer. The film is also structured by a set of "book ends": it begins and ends with Jobs' return to Apple in 1997." The movie actually begins when they are filming the 1984 apple commercial but then has a brief cut into 1997 before going to the begining of the story in 1971. I guess it's no big deal.

Disagree. Removed the "bookend" comment as it is not correct and there is no such "bookend". 24.57.195.9 22:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Hm, I distinctly remember the image at the end of the movie where Jobs is back on stage and Gates is looking down like Big Brother from a huge screen. That would seem to indicate that "modern" 1997-ish events were depicted at the end. Hopefully I can watch this tonight and confirm.... Jeff schiller 17:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is the brief cut into 1997 mentioned above. The main story ends a few months before Sculley fired Jobs. The rest is voice overs and then the 1997 scene. Mlewan 11:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi.Pirates of Silicon Valley(the article) doesn't tell much about the plot. We should expand it! Yashtulsyan 23:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Accuracy of Microsoft "founders"

The article states that "...the film juxtaposes the trials and tribulations of (...) Apple Computer, and Harvard students Bill Gates (Anthony Hall) and Gates’ high school friends Steve Ballmer (John Di Maggio) and Paul Allen (Josh Hopkins), who would eventually form Microsoft."

There are several problems with this wording. 1. Gates and Allen both attended Lakeside school in Seattle, but Ballmer attended Detroit Country Day School in Michigan. Thus, Ballmer should not be described as a high school friend of Gates. 2. Gates and Ballmer attended Harvard, but Allen attended Washington State University. One therefore cannot call all three "Harvard students." 3. Ballmer was not a founder of Microsoft, though he was an early employee, has been (next to Gates) the second-most influential person at Microsoft, and the film is partially narrated by his character.

Perhaps a better wording would read "...the film juxtaposes the trials and tribulations of (...) Apple Computer, and the moguls of Microsoft Bill Gates (Anthony Hall), Steve Ballmer (John Di Maggio) and Paul Allen (Josh Hopkins)." 71.86.204.93 20:20, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

When i watch this movie it really makes me wonder how Steve Jobs is still doing so well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.62.218.41 (talk) 19:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the film is completely fair. He comes out as a complete bully to the Mac team; if you read the stories in Andy Hertzfeld's site[1], you see that Jobs wasn't the nicest guy in the world, but he was much more subtle and effective at goading and inspiring the team than POSV shows. -- Stormwatch (talk) 19:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit war over Antitrust (film) link.

Indeed, it's, as my edit states, about "NURV", a fictionalized Microsoft. Likewise, Pirates of Silicon Valley is fictional in areas. Answer me this: Do you dispute that NURV is modeled after Microsoft? Surely not. So one is more fictional than the other. They're both works largely about Microsoft, with factual and fictional components. So the link is appropriate.--Elvey (talk) 21:54, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Pirates of Silicon Valley is based on real life events and people and is about both Microsoft and Apple. Antitrust is not about either company and features a company that is at best very loosely based on Microsoft, and a completely fictional story. The rest of the See also links are about real-life events, so linking a fictional film like Antitrust is not appropriate. --Jtalledo (talk) 16:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

December edits

I've reviewed the 112 edits made this month, which were all by User:Classicfilms. A great set of improvements. Kudos.--Elvey^(t•c) 00:04, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

:-) Well, thank you Elvey! I'm impressed that you went through all of my edits, thank you for doing that. There is still more that can be done to improve the article - the archived official website offers useful information, as well as some of the linked articles in the "Further Reading" section. I also think that existing sources could be used more extensively - I'd like to eventually push this article up to a GAN, but I tend to work somewhat slowly in that area. Would welcome the help if you or anyone you know is interested in this article. I've seen bibliographies on the film (it is sometimes taught in the classroom) listing numerous articles that are no longer available online for those interested in going to a brick and mortar library for a little research - one of the drawbacks of articles on older films. Regardless, there will be more edits to come... Best, -Classicfilms (talk) 19:04, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

If you haven't already, it might be worth a try to look up the urls in the wayback machine at archive.org. It can be surprising what it manages to save. You can also sometimes find snippets of the content in google books if you search for example "pirates of silicon valley" in the text. Opencooper (talk) 03:16, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Excellent ideas, thank you Opencooper. The Wayback machine works if you have URLs - I mostly have titles and authors. Googlebooks is a good idea as well. The main culprit is simply time - the amount of time it takes to track down refs that are no longer easily online. I will slowly explore options - and will appreciate the help of other editors interested in this article. -Classicfilms (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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