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This needs a better photo.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Transcendentalstate (talk • contribs) at 21:06, July 13, 2006

Power(s)

We are currently unaware if Peter can actually fly, or if he can somehow absorb the powers of those around him. We need to stop the back-and-forth interpretation of his falling to the rooftop after walking on air and embracing his brother until we know more.—Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ Chair (talk • contribs) at 19:54, October 3, 2006

First, please learn to sign your comments, and avoid deleting the comments of others. Second, please be realistic. Just like the "psychic connection" and various other abilities Peter may have, your absorption theory is not relevant at this time. The episode clearly shows him levitating. The implication is that he flies. It's completely sound to assert this in article. Power absorption? If that were even the case Peter would also have Isaac's precognition. Come on, seriously. If he's shown flying, that's what will be written. Wikipedia does not withhold information, especially for reasons like yours. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 21:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Peter does seem to show a bit of precognition when he sketches that crude stick figure picture of two people on a rooftop; one is floating and the other is facing him, a la the end scene a top the hospital. --DJ Chair 13:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The photo that Peter drew seemed to leave the power absorption theory on the table. I feel that his powers should be mentioned as "Flight/ potential unknown others" but that is just my opinion. If this were to occur it would brings up other problems as we really do not know the full potential of any of the "Heroes." Right now it should be left as it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by zippedpinhead (talk • contribs) at 23:24, October 3, 2006

If you read the newest TV Guide, Peter's powers is like Rogue in Xmen. He can absorb others' powers. -- 65.61.193.31 16:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Well if you have place a reference on the page, then we can include it. Merely stating that you have found something is not good enough for an encyclopedia. You must reference your facts.Zippedpinhead 18:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

If the TV Guide thing is accurate -- how can his power be called mimicry? I recall in the episode where he flies up to his brother that his brother falls. It does seem likely that he absorbs others' powers, albeit temporarily. --Mr Vain 00:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Forgive me, I'm dumb. I can't tell one brother apart from the other. That's what happens when one doesn't pay much attention to their story arc. Sorry for the inconvenience --Mr Vain 01:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

So, as of Episode 4, Collisions, Peter makes the statement that he belives that for his powers to kick into action, he needs to be within a close proximity of someone who already has a power. Is that good enough evidence to mark his power as mimicry and be done with it? --DJ Chair 12:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

His powers are still shady and are subject to change as we still don't know the full details. Nothing has been confirmed, all this is is a theory. --75.8.107.178 10:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

We have all written up. The program seens to quite clearly back up our findings. Theory? I think not. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it looks like he can mimic precognition, now, too. -- NinjaYaddaYaddaYadda 22:00, 23 October 2006

Well, it looks like he mimicked precognition in the second episode when he was recovering in the hospital and drew himself hovering. Not a big surprise that he can STILL mimic it. Rihk 00:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

What about in the first episode when Peter tells his mother that when Nathan was injured and far away that he "knew" he was hurt? Was he absorbing a psychic's ability? Maybe his mother is a precog? --Frenkmelk 06:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Now that's really farfetched fishing. Like Peter said, he purportedly knew before being told. This would seem to imply knowing before coming into contact with anyone. Thusly, more of a psychic connection, if anything. Still, whatever the comment meant or was supposed to mean, Mimicry is what we have. I imagine they might have just disgarded it. Ace Class Shadow; My talk.

There was a mysterious statement in the first episode that he made that led me to believe that Peter was an empath, who forged a sort of emotional bond with people, and that was what he had with Simone's father and his own brother. They haven't paid any more attention to it, though. Rihk 00:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I have added, since it's important, the fact that he can't mimic powers at will (by now). Other's habilities just come through him without control. --KesheR 21:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Seems that he doesnt keep the powers he mimics, he must remain near the powered individual he is mimicking. 144.15.255.227 02:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It would be interesting to see if Peter actually absorbed powers from other heroes temporarily, leaving the other person powerless. very interesting indeed. Rihk 00:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Remember that this is not a forum. And as far as the show has indicated, Peter has little to no effect on the "supplier". How long he can remain "charged" might be the one thing in question. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe out of logic, He maybe a precog before meeting Issac or first meeting him before the series. He may absorb memories and physical feelings from miles away by absorbing them so much. Tgunn2 02:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

The episode "Six Months Ago" showed the beginnings of many of the heroes' powers, with one of those powers being Peter knowing what was going on with Nathan. This has to indicate that he has some sort of empathic gift. This was also hinted at when he shared the dream with Simone's father. There's more to Peter than simple power mimcry, so keep the idea open. Until we have a name for this power, it should simply be labeled "Empathic ability," unless Mohinder's little buddy is influencing these dreams. Blingstonhughes 10:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Retrocognition. People mistakenly thought Mohinder had it, but this seems like a clearer case. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Plain and simple, he is like Sylar (notice he absorbed Sylar's abilities right away) only he doesn;t need to kill the people he absorbs the power from. His current precognition is a lingering sign of Isaac's abilities, leading me to believe the other powers will linger as well. (remember the guy that was radioactive?) No sources to cite, yet.

It's possible the powers will linger permenantly, however he had a clairvoyant vision before he met Isaac in "Six Months Ago". Sylar and Peter's powers may be somewhat similar in effect, but dissimilar in cause. From indications, Sylar needs to take the brain to absorb a power, Peter just needs to be within 30-50 feet. --Stabbey 16:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that the last vision

most recent was of himself exploding in downtown New York while the other heroes looked on

should be conciderd Clairvoyance since it has not happend yet or may not even happen.--65.122.101.178 18:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

That is true, it has not yet happened and may not yet happen. However, He saw Niki, Micah and D.L. in his vision, and as far as we know, he's never met them, which in my book seems to rule out a straight-up bond with characters he's already met. He also learned that the New York explosion was apparently from someone exploding, and Isaac, the precognitive painted a picture of a man exploding. Peter doesn't know about that. --Stabbey 17:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC) corrected spelling. --Stabbey 20:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

So then it should be some sort of limited Precognition not a Clairvoyance. Clairvoyance applies only to seeing current events happening in some other place at PRESENT TIME. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.122.101.178 (talk) 22:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

He's already done that, too. He had a dream about Nathan's car crash and Charles Deveaux's last words to Simone. --Stabbey 04:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Is "Unspecified dream-related power" vague enough, yet accurate enough for everyone's satisfaction? Probably not. --Stabbey 17:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Has anyone considered that Peter may mimic others' powers only at their own current level of control/proficiency:

• Peter's initial flight and levitation mirror (but do not exceed) his brother's demonstrated ability.
• Future Hiro's visit on the subway may indicate that Peter was able to exist "in between" time at future-Hiro's proficiency level, without having to have gone through the baby steps that present-Hiro had to in learning his power (there has been no indication that Hiro can bring someone else in between time with him).
• Peter's mimicry of Isaac's precognition is identical, in that Peter complete's a painting Isaac had started (nothing new, nothing better).
• Peter and Parkman reading each other's minds comes off sounding like caller #3 live on a request line sitting too close to his own radio.
• Mimicry of Claire's ability is unclear, as Sylar has also demonstrated a regenerative ability, and Peter was near both of them at the same time -- the first time he's been near more than one of them...sickness related? Spareboy 07:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

References

Are we recognizing tv.com as a reputable source? I remember reading somewhere (I believe it was the Main Page, talk section) that someone was reviewing the necessity of tv.com links. Any comments/thoughts on this? --DJ Chair 11:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it was a press release. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Save the cheerleader

"Save the cheerleader" does not necessarily mean "Save Claire Bennet", especially since the picture that Peter completed seems to show two cheerleaders (one dead and one alive but in peril). One likely possibility for the dead one on the floor could be Jackie, since she took credit for the rescue Claire performed in Genesis. Since Sylar appears to use news articles as a source of information, he may have taken note of this, and may initially (try to?) kill her first, which is the way the painting looks to me at the end of Hiros. Isaac's precog paintings always seem to be about the actual significant event as/after they occur (the bomb, the kiss under the umbrella, etc...), not to events before they occur (such as the implied threat to Claire as she flees into the bleachers). -- 63.226.38.165 04:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you paying attention? Ads, various implications, et cetera. It's Claire. Why on earth would they need to save Jackie? While you make a good point about Jackie's possible death, it's Claire they must save. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Why would you say the edit was "near vandalous"? I explained myself here on the talk page, and my edit is consistant with every other location I can currently find the term on Wikipedia articles -- nowhere else is there currently a link in the term "Save the cheerleader" on cheerleader pointing to Claire Bennet. Assumptions being making that Claire is the one that needs to be saved are just that, assumptions. Neither you nor I know for certian at this point. Writers love to through in curves, where you think one thing is going to happen (or is actually happpening) when there is something entirely else going on (clasic example: 6th Sense).

This is most definatly a disagreement on content, and not anywhere near vandalism. I've looked through your edit history & seen where you disagree with other people for including assumptions of future content; why is this any diffrent? -- 63.226.38.165 05:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC) -- FishUtah 05:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen users sign as GIPUs before. It's always a bad sign. Why is this any different? Besides, I was referring to the way things were left, not the unlinking. Dewikification is hardly vandalism under most circumstances. Removing content so the end result is unsightly is a different story. Whether intentional or not, it was near. I never said it there. Just...near. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see that I had missed taking out the closing braces in the wiki-link -- you're absolutly right that doing that was a mistake. If you want to review my contribs as 63.226.38.165 (talk · contribs) for more mistakes, please feel free. I'm sure I've probibly made more, even thought I'd previously thought I'd also made a lot of good contribs to Heros related articles. This whole situation has given me more reason to primarily contrib as an anon IP (if nothing else that to demonstrate that people using anon IP's can make useful contribs), and also to try to stay away from popular media articles and talk pages. I really like Heros, and wanted to help out, but I'll not exactly feeling very welcome here now. -- FishUtah 07:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The ads did (somewhat) mislead us before, with Peter's own power, so it could very well be that the writers are trying to make us think the phrase means one thing when it will later be revealed to mean something different. Not that I personally think it's likely in this case, but it's possible. --Psiphiorg 05:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not just the ads. Journalist articles, various mediums and sources all lead to Claire. And Peter can fly, it's just not an inherent power. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Also if you want some top-of-the-head theories about why Jackie might needs to be saved, how about:

1. This is the best point in the timeline to actually stop Sylar
2. This is the first major point of convergence where several/many of the "good" charactors start directly working together
3. The attempt (and possible failure to) save Jackie could be the (Uncle Ben) turning point to really make some of the major charactors start taking things serious (especially Hiro & Claire)
4. The attempt (and possible failure to) save Jackie changes the subplot with Claire's father, especially since he would later know that Sylar was really after Claire

None of these possibilities involve Jackie being anything other than a plot device, and that is common for foil charactors like her. I'm also not personally convinced that Sylar can/would really be able to kill Claire, especailly with the whole subplot with her father. I think that the branch in the back of the head and the attempted vivisection are just there to alow us to know she's not immortal, and that her death might be possible, but it looks like too good of a chance to setup a redirect suprise. A consistant message in all medium/comunications before the episode where we know for sure is the best way to ensure the suprise/twist (if there is indeed on coming up) so a unified voice ahead of time does not seem to be all that significant.

I won't remove the link to Claire on the word cheerleader again, but I hope someone else does, at least until we know for certain. -- FishUtah 06:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

If you give up whenever people disagree with you, you'll never get far in this world. Now, I'm not disregarding your theory, but you can't go acting as if something is automatically wrong based on it. I'll give your ideas some more thought as I'm editting today. I hope you don't get down like this over every little misunderstanding. I mean, gees, this isn't the end of the world. (for us outside of the fiction, anyway.) Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 17:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing concrete to indicate that Claire was the cheerleader to be saved. If all of Isaac's paintings are events that are yet to pass, then there's still the picture of Hiro and Ando under the banner, Claire running up the steps alone, etc. All of these take place sequentially after the picture of a mutilated Peter, which stands to reason that all of those pictures are still likely to occur, because the cheerleader, ie. Jackie, was not saved. Blingstonhughes 13:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

That's relying on the assumption that Peter put the paintings in the right order the first time, even though he was missing one. That's not a safe bet. Stabbey 22:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd go further than that and say that Peter DEFINITELY got the pictures in the wrong order - he puts the empty space (which is later shown to be his mutilated body) at the beginning of the sequence, before the painting of him and the locker doors, but these events occurred the other way round in the end. Also, re: the painting of the mutilated cheerleader, whether it is Claire, Jackie, or someone else entirely, I believe it did not come to pass - (I think) the cheerleader in the painting has the top of her skull removed, a la Sylar's other victims, whereas Jackie only had a cut all the way round her head before Sylar was interrupted. Branfish 05:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The writers confirm that Peter put the paintings in the wrong order. --Stabbey 18:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Rewriting Peter's bio

I've rewritten Peter's bio, just like I did Niki's. It's much shorter now, and I tried to encapsulate everything that is important to the character in fewer paragraphs.

I wish people to go through it and edit it (Primogen?). Particularly, I was trying to squeeze in the bits about Peter's family history, how his father commited suicide, etc. but am unsure of where to better put it. Renenarciso 20:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I did some clean-up on it and added back in some more information about his father and mother. I think there's too much detail about interactions between Peter and Nathan, but nothing about Peter and Mohinder. This well need several passes by various people to get the right information in. Primogen 21:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I think Peter's interactions with Nathan have been, so far, more character-shaping than his aborted attempt to connect to Mohinder, but I agree that it would be nice to add somewhere how Chandra's book led Peter to seek out Mohinder. Renenarciso 22:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Empathetic Powers

I'm getting a sense that Peter does have some sort of "Empathetic" power. Someone mentioned above about him "sensing" something was wrong with his brother far away. Now the dream about Simone's father that he seemed to experience also. I wouldn't be certain how to describe it. It is almost as if he is able to sense something significant happening in another's life. Something to keep an eye on, though too early to add it. Novastarj 03:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

i mentioned that based on a comment in "genesis", he might be empathic. definitely too early to add it though Rihk 05:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The latest episode ("Six Months Ago") also indicated that Peter has some kind of empathic ability. It seems like he dreamed the thoughts of his brother. It's too early to be specific, but is it too early to add "Unspecified empathic power"? Stabbey 19:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Also in "Six Months Ago" when Nathan and his wife are driving home before the crash, the wife says that Peter is "selfless and empathic". It is an interesting and potentially purposeful choice of words by the writers. Jclandree 00:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

They (the writers) could just be alluding to the sibling bond that often happens between superpowered beings in comics. Lots of characters have powers and abilities that interact with those of their siblings. Fenris, Wonder Twins, cyclops and havok (the sibling immunity thing) Even the Wonder Twins :) WookMuff 19:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

"Wonder Petrellis"? I doubt it. Still, that would sort of explain Niki and Jessica. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I said alluding to, I wasn't implying thats its a brother power :) Hell, maybe peter bonds with those who he copies, and maybe he was mimicing nathan's burgeoning powers even then. But hey, i still think its just an allusion. WookMuff

no no no no no you got it all wrong. he does not just take powers he takes memeories aswell alot like rogue from x men except for without the side effects. He health being bad is because of the haitian when he was there peter got soem of his powers and that resulted in the preiction — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.76.75 (talk • contribs) 19:58, December 5, 2006

As Dekabreak would say, nonsense! Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

if he takes memories... why does he dream the things BEFORE THEY HAPPEN? /agree with ACS. Rihk 05:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't feel there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate that Peter has empathic abilities. It could simply be that somebody with empathic abilities lives in Peter's apartment block, and he's been leeching off them. I know that is also speculation, but it is an alternative explanation. Since Peter's empathic ability has not been mentioned in any official materials, and can potentially be explained in terms of his mimicry (which has), I don't feel the empathy should be mentioned as a power. Branfish 05:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

small rewrite, please

"Sylar survives the fall, but it seems as if Peter hasn't. When Claire shows up, however, Peter absorbs her powers and quickly recovers."

He absorbed her powers before he fell off the school. If he was dead, his power to mimic her wouldn't have worked. So, he absorbed her power when he told her to run. dposse 18:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I changed "absorbs" to "mimics" to avoid the question of when he actually absorbed her powers. Anyway, what matters is that he began to heal his injuries. Primogen 18:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

that seems better now. thanks.dposse 14:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This is based entirely on a flawed assumption, ie. that peter's powers only work while he is alive. Claire's powers work when she is so dead as to be laying on an examination table with her chest sliced open and she came back, so who is to say that peter couldn't do the same thing? The program certainly seems to imply that peter was dead and came back to life when claire came near. WookMuff 09:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but Claire was closer to him before he jumped. After he jumped, she was scared and a good distance from him. Also, if he was dead, his power to mimic Claries power wouldn't have worked after he jumped. I'm sure that if Clarie jumped, she would have been fine because her power would have kicked in. However, Peters powers is the power to mimic and not the power to survive a fall off a school. He only survived because he mimiced Claire's power before he fell. Saying that "Peter fell off the school, and then copied Claire's power" is wrong. dposse 19:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

By saying "it appears that Peter hasn't [survived the fall]", the article is conveying the show's implication that Peter is dead without taking a stand about whether or not he actually died, since he was not verified to have survived or died from the fall; we just saw him lying motionless with pool of blood forming around his head and his body horribly twisted. We have no idea what the limits of Peter's mimicry powers are (can he mimic Clair's abilities to their full extent?) or for that matter, the limits of Claire's healing powers (was she really "dead" when she was brought into the coroner's office, or was she in a state that just made her appear dead, even to medical professionals?), so we shouldn't make assumptions or conjectures about these powers in the article. Primogen 19:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

"Also, if he was dead, his power to mimic Claries power wouldn't have worked after he jumped." FLAWED ASSUMPTION AGAIN. Did you even read what i said? WookMuff 19:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

We don't know if Peter's ability to mimic Claire's power wouldn't have worked after he died. We do not know at what point he acquired Claire's healing abilities or how long he retained the abilities to use them. We do not know how either the mimicry or healing abilities work with regards to Peter or Claire being dead. We should not be making any assumptions or doing any kind of analysis of the scenes when writing about them. Primogen 19:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Mm hmm, i am not saying peter's powers work after death, i am just saying that saying "peter is dead so his powers don't work" is wrong. the first part of my last comment was quoting Dposse, in case that wasn't obvious, so i went back and put quotation marks in there. WookMuff 20:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

One thing we might know, however, is that Peter retains those powers for at least a few seconds after claire leaves, because he fixes his leg and is able to walk when claire has already run off. WookMuff 20:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

We already know that Peter keeps the powers for at least sometime after contact with the person. Evidence: Isaac was probably not in the hospital with Peter when he drew the prophetic stick figures. Rihk 01:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

in "Fallout", Peter says he died. apparently his body does keep absorbing powers post-mortem; he absorbed Claire's healing factor for a few moments and regenerated. Of course, that may be the ONLY power that he absorbs after death, we will likely never know. Rihk 05:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

He says he would have died if it wasn't for Claire. It's still unclear whether or not he mimicked her power before or after his fall, although since he mimicked Sylar in the hallway after a few seconds (the writers confirm he used Sylar's telekinesis to deflect the lockers on Comic Book Resoures), I think it's safe to say that he was still mimicking Claire before he fell. --Stabbey 22:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Whereas it isn't stated directly, Peter does lie there mangled for some time without healing, but begins to heal almost immediately as soon as Claire arrives. I know this isn't proof, but I personally see this as sufficient evidence that he mimicked her power AFTER he fell. Whether or not he was dead is by-the-by - if he had already absorbed her power, why wouldn't he have started healing as soon as he landed? Branfish 05:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Even so, Peter should have been mimicking Claire before he fell, he was close to her seconds before he fell. The writers essentially confirmed that Peter mimicked Sylar's telekinesis in the hall to fend off the lockers, and he was only around Sylar for a few seconds. --Stabbey 18:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Number of apperances

Guys, Peter appeared in 9 episodes (all of them, except for "Seven Minutes to Midnight"). Please, don't revert the change. Renenarciso 20:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I am on your side, i was just discussing this with User:Ace Class Shadow on his talk page, but i didn't realize he wasn't in 7-minutes to midnight. WookMuff 21:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

As of the episode airing 12/4/06, though, the number would be 10. Samer 04:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The appearance count for several characters (Peter, Nathan, Matt, Mohinder, Niki, Mr. Bennet, and Simone) was wrong even before episode 11, coming short 1 or 2 episodes. But I'm trying to avoid visiting these pages until I'm able to see Episode 11. :) Don't want to acidentaly read some spoiler. Renenarciso 14:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Deceased?

I think it's too early to have him listed as deceased above his picture. At the end of Fallout, he had collapsed and stopped breathing. A police officer in the scene was shown radioing (presumably for medical help). Until episodes start up again January 22nd, it should probably be left at that he collapsed at the end of Fallout, and his current health/status is unknown. CeladusThrace 03:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Moreover, saying he's dead contradicts reports in TV Guide that state that Peter ends up in a coma. Samer 03:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

and the previews at the end of the show —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.165.36.81 (talk) 03:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

and next weeks previews —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.165.36.81 (talk) 03:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

And other sources that say Peter will be around and learning more when the break returns. He's not dead, Jim. --Stabbey 06:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The graphic novel pages show him in a coma. Does anybody know if they are canon? Branfish 05:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The comics are produced in concert with the program. While it is certainly possible that some small detail mentioned in a comic might end up being contradicted by the show, it seems that at the very least, the plots are assigned/approved by the producers of the show. --ΨΦorg 08:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Too many powers mimicked are dangerous

There are video interviews (found by clicking links on the Interviews Page at NBC.com. When the video player loads, click the Fallout one which talks about Peter's dream. Milo Ventimiglia says that the reason he collapsed was because he was overwhelmed after being close to three supers in close sucession (Matt, Claire, Nathan). I would put this on the page, but that claim would require a source or else it'll get edited out, and I'm not sure what the URL to that video is. --Stabbey 13:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

He may also have still been mimicking Sylar's power (of which he has several), I'm not sure how long it takes to wear off. --Stabbey 22:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Also what about the haitian, dont forget the haitian was there as well Totallycharged

Which may also be what happens in the future where he apparently catches on fire. He's not the only person who could do that. The radiation-emitting man could do that; Peter and Sylar could do it, if they gain his power.--Syd Henderson 05:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Powers

It doesn't seems to say that he loses his powers when the other person leaves, just that he gain powers when he is near. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fre k (talk • contribs) 09:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Yes, that should be added. How about this: "An article from the October 9-14 TV Guide explains that Peter actually mimics the powers of other nearby heroes. The mimicked power fades away as time passes, but it takes several hours for it to completely wear off". (the sources for the "several hours to completely wear off" are Peter's future-predicting sketch in the hospital several hours after last seeing Isaac, and the fact that he fell ill when Nathan came for him, even though that was hours after he last saw Matt and Claire. --Stabbey 18:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Still speculation. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Really? I gave my reasoning - direct from the show, with additional information based on the NBC.com interview Milo Venimiglia gave. The show indicated that's what happened in "Don't Look Back" and an actor also indicated that's what happened in "Fallout". I'm not starting an edit war, but how is it speculation to say that he retains powers for a few or several hours? Is there some other evidence that I'm missing? --Stabbey 05:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I know this place isn't a democracy, but I'm with Stabbey. However, I think that what ACS was doubting was not that he kept the powers for a few hours, but that he lost them after a few hours. Branfish 05:51, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

He couldn't mimic Nathan's flying the day after the roof incident, and he was trying hard to do that. --Stabbey 18:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Relevance of alliteration in name

Alliteration is a common factor in the naming of many prominent western comic book characters I won't name any of them because the alliteration article covers just about all of them. Heroes is heavily inspired by comic books, western comic books especially where naming alliteration is at it's gratest concentration. Peter Petrelli is the only example of alliteration in the series and he is one of the main most characters in the series. Bringing this up here in the discussion page is really just a formality. Ace Class Shadow seems to have some kind of fixation on flexing his editorial might and removed my short mention of alliteration from the main article, so i figured I would bring it up here to see what the conscensus is and avoid an edit war. --Bushido Brown 00:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly that a mention should be made of the alliterative nature of his name, even if only in trivia. It is a very common occurance, though i think thats largely because stan lee was lazy, but still. WookMuff 04:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

If all or most of the main characters had alliterative names, I'd say it might be worth mentioning. However, only one out of the eleven main characters has an alliterative name (unless Mr. Bennet's first name is something like Bob, Bill, or Beauregard). At a bare minimum, the odds of a single character having the double initials is only 1 in 26; that's assuming all letters are equally likely as first and last names, but it's really more, since certain letters are much more common than others. Assuming that the odds are closer to 1 in 19, the odds that out of eleven characters, none of them would have a double letter, is around half. It's nothing out of the ordinary. --Psiphiorg 04:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

• Flexes* I'm going to pahmp- *Stretch* you ahp! Heh. Seriously, though, I reverted a poorly written, irrelevant addition to the intro. It's highly trivial and possibly unintentional. To claim intent is OR and to state the obvious—believe it or not, others might have come to alliter conclusion upon seeing his name.—is just pointless. My first feeling when I saw the addition was "observant and informed." My second was "innappropriate." Micah Manders, Hiro Hakamura and Peter Petrelli would be significant. One "Peter" in a family of Petrellis and sea of differently named characters looks more like pure chance. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

"Lies, damn lies, and statistics" to Psiphiorg. Thats a false assumption, because in order to say "blah blah blah statistics say" you would have to go and take every single current given name that exists on earth, maybe throw in a few older names that might come into fashion again, then compare them to every single surname on earth. One would assume that Peter Petrelli has less chance of occuring than, say, John Jones but more chance than Constantine Corleone or Leonardo Lichtenstein, to make up some alliterative names. To ACS, i say that i think it would be neither irresponsible nor irrelevant to add a trivia section mentioning this allusion, as it has long been pointed to in comics that first last name alliteration is very common. John Jones, Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Matt Murdock, Peter Parker and of course Clark Kent WookMuff 06:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

See below. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Where did I say that Ace? Did I say "Tim Krang purposely named this Petrelli, Peter as an alliterative Easter Egg for comic book fans?" did I say anything even remotely similar to that? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I never claimed intent. I said "Peter Petrelli is an example of aliteration" Where's the intent in that sentence? It was no more than an observation, an observation you and others seem apt to remove on every instance even when i went out of my way to put it in the gone, but soon to be recreated trivia section. I'll add it again, stop removing it, this is getting ridiculous. To Psi if all or most of the characters had alliterative names it would be worth mentioning in the show"s article not the individual articles. This being something rare that only Peter has and is popular in the genre the show is inspired by, I would have to say that it is worth mentioning in a trivia section--Bushido Brown 05:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It's random and insulting to the reader. A person can figure out something like this themselves, as I stated above. You're just trying to force unwanted, unnecessary data into the article. No offense. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Random and Insulting? That's one of the most absurd reasons I have ever heard given by upidity, busy body editors to justify their removal of info from articles. --Bushido Brown 16:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Ha, ha! "Upidity"? You mean "uppity"? Or was that an attempt to say "uppity" and "stupiity" at the same time? Heh. Anyway, I'd be careful with those words if I were you. If removing your addition makes me a "busy body", I dare not imagine your perception of vandalism revertions. Seriously. dude, try decaf or something. This ain't the end of the world and naming calling is like...so elementary school. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Will you please give it a rest. I am sick and tired of the editors on the heroes pages with their sense of superiority. Remember "heroin-induced"? Remember being anti "spontaneous regeneration"? You are hardly infallible. What you are doing is implying that Bushido is childish and stupid, and thats hardly in line with wikipedia policy. Oh, and i just changed "there" to "their" so you wouldn't tar me with the same brush. I don't know if this counts as a personal attack, but i consider it more of a personal defense. Lay off the belittling people. WookMuff 23:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, if you wanna be picky, "Or was that an attempt to say "uppity" and "stupiity" at the same thing?" is hardly a work of grammatic art. WookMuff 23:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Chill out. It's not a matter of superiority. The content just isn't suitable. I really don't see why you two are getting so worked up. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I think i was fairly clear why i am getting worked up. Maybe this is your baby, hell maybe you created all the heroes articles, but you don't own wikipedia yet you constantly act like it, judging what is and isn't fit for the pages. It is a fact that the alliterative qualities of Peter Petrelli mirror those of real comic characters, and whether this is on purpose or not it is still trivia worthy, because it DOES mirror them. WookMuff 00:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

At the risk of getting embroiled in all this, I checked many of articles for the characters listed in the Alliteration, and I couldn't find any character articles that bothered to mention the alliteration. It seems to me (and others, apparently) that the observation is more interesting to someone reading about alliterations in general than it is to someone reading about the character having an alliteration. Maybe the alliteration would be marginally interesting if Peter were the main character, or if any other character names in the twelve-person cast were alliterations, or if there was evidence that the writers purposefully made his name an alliteration to mirror comic book tradition, or even if Peter also had the same number of syllables or letters in his first and last names (like Clark Kent, Peter Parker, or Lois Lane). But as it is, it's a big so what?, and I'm concerned that the inclusion of trivial observations like this brings down the quality of the article. Primogen 01:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Comparison

How about adding a comparison to Synch (comics) then, rather than rogue, who is a much better example considering how peter's powers appear to work. WookMuff 04:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

As stated throughout the Heroes talk pages and in my edit summary, the consensus is against almost any comparisons. For starters, Wikipedia is not a journal or a publisher of some sort. We try not to add original research or otherwuse unsourced opinions/statements to articles. Aside from various differences between Everett and Peter, we should be able to explain Peter's powers to a certain extant by eleventh episode. Furthermore. Synch is arguably an obscure character. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't see it as original research. If one of the characters could fly, had heat x-ray and tele/microscopic vision, superbreath, superstrength, superresilience, etc, a superman comparison would be likely. Ditto if someone could stretch there would probably be a reed richards or plastic/elongated man comparison. Everett, may he rest in peace, needed proximity but not touch, and could often use the powers he synched with instinctive skill outshining the owner of the powers. But i agree that if thats the way the pages lean then so be it. Damnit, he should be less obscure also, but thats neither here nor there, poor dead deus ex machina. WookMuff 05:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Precognitive episode, literal or symbolic?

I know this is probably OR, but does anyone else think that Peter's vision is more of a symbolic representation rather than a straightforward vision of the future? I mean woud Matt and Claire really be in uniform on an empty New York Street? Would the characters all turn away from Peter as he is seemingly is about to burst into flames? WookMuff 07:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't this be best addressed on one of the forums relating to the show? (I found several while looking for the music they played.) I've gathered the impression that Talk pages aren't supposed to be forums, but a look at WP:TPG shows no such direct statement. --GargoyleMT 14:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

This sounds direct to me: "Talk pages are not for general conversation. Keep discussions on the topic of how to improve the associated article. Irrelevant discussions are subject to removal." Primogen 19:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

To clarify, the article makes not direct assertion that what Peter saw will happen, or assumes much in the way of its meaning. Thus, there's not reall Wikipedia issue. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 17:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

It calls it a vision twice, and generally in heroes articles visions mean precog eps like Isaac's. Noone else sees it that way? Wouldn't dream be more accurate? WookMuff 21:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Then that is the fault of "heroes articles". In fiction in general, "vision" covers a multitude of sins. Branfish 05:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

This may have been mentioned elsewhere, but I couldn't find it. If you examine the "vision" at the end of the last episode Peter is wearing Sylar's watch and a trenchcoat very similar to what Sylar wears. I believe that indicates that despite what Peter believes he is not the one who is about to explode, but he is seeing the event through the eyes of Sylar, putting himself in his shoes. This is similar to how Peter initially believed he had the power of flight based on his dreams when he was really dreaming of Nathan flying and seeing himself in Nathan's place. Doesn't really clarify the what his power really is, but just an observation about the last "vision." 24.95.35.159 07:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC) Izanhoe

Perhaps we should put a more detailed version of the vision in one of these articles? Things that are important, such as the coat and watch, and the fact that as more superheroes approach him he becomes brighter. E.g.

Peter falls and the scene changes. He is lying on some pavement, it is daytime and he is wearing a coat similar to Sylar's, as well as a watch with the time pointing to 8:36. The only sound is the wind and the city appears to be deserted. A nearby advertisement suggests it to be New York, NY. He moves out into a road full of tightly packed, empty cars with their doors left open. A radio is heard in the background. As he continues through the cars, a yellow taxi's driver door opens and a smiling Mohinder emerges. His expression soon changes and he begins to run away from Peter. Suddenly, Matt Parkman appears to be ordering him to stop, though he is inaudible. D.L. Hawkins, Niki and Micah Sanders are seen moving away from Peter, Matt urging them to go.

Claire is running through the cars in the opposite direction, towards Peter. She is wearing her cheerleader's uniform. Nathan appears, exiting a building to the right. Claire reaches Peter, shakes her head, then Peter turns to see Simone moving towards him, only to be tackled and dragged away by Isaac (apparently for her safety). Nathan is slowly moving towards the street. Hiro and Ando look on from a distance.

The camera turns back to Peter, as Claire, shaking her head, backs away. He looks down at his hands, shocked. They begin to glow and he is shocked. As the rest of the characters run away, Nathan approaches Peter at walking pace. When both Nathan and Peter can be seen in the shot, there is a close up of Peter's face, showing his eyes flash. Then he screams as his entire body glows and the air rushes upward as he supposedly explodes.

The approach of Claire and Nathan seems to suggest that taking on too many powers causes him to explode. It doesn't necessarily mean he's Peter or Sylar or whatever, but that is definitely the implied trigger for the event. 202.72.187.152 15:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia tries to avoid excessive detailing of fictional events. The article should not attempt to be a substitute for the show. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this should be part of the episode desc. talk in a cut down format. I wonder what the point of the wiki episode description is if the foreshadowing elements are left out? 202.72.187.152 16:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Peter isn't wearing Sylar's watch, they're clearly different watches - Peter's is square, Sylar's is circular. And I don't think the vision should be taken as what is literally going to happen. But it is a good point that Peter's vision could be seeing through the eyes of another like he did in his flying dreams. I don't think we need many details from the vision on this page, not even on the episode page. --Stabbey 18:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I take it back about Peter possibly seeing the vision through the eyes of someone else. The other characters, Simone, Claire, and Nathan seem to react as if it's Peter they're seeing. --Stabbey 13:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Peter is Empathic

Direct quote from Brian Fuller regarding a Sylar question. "...where Peter is Empathic where he can absorb other peoples abilities..."

Quote is from about three quaters of the way through the interview. "http://www.comicspodcasts.com/?p=500"

Just wondering if this changes things, I'm sure both his power absorbtion and his apparent clairvoyance could be somewhat linked by empathy, anyone want to include this into the article or wait? Jacobshaven3 02:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

One word which you can misappropriate is hardly much to go one, Jake. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget Spontaneous Regeneration, ACS WookMuff 08:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well Ace. It is one word, true. It's one word which shows the writer calling Peter an Empath. He could just have easily used another word to describe Peter and Sylar's abilities similarities. If a character is called a Telepath, but only shows the ability to read minds, should they not be called a telepath just because it could be misappropriated by others to mean they can control minds? I merely mentioned combining his apparent abilities under Empathy, because it's possible, and because several sources have said all Heroes have only one power, although Sylar's and Peter's allow them to mimic other peoples.Jacobshaven3 11:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm still iffy about using an embrella term. Fuller could have meant empathic as a description, not a catch-all title. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Have you listened to the source, ACS? (This isn't a dig, i am just asking... i haven't) If the sentence is as Jacobshaven describes it, and there is no missing context, then I would say its a slam dunk. WookMuff 21:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I think I can see why you don't want to use the term Ace, and to be honest, after thinking about it, using it to combine his clairvoyance and mimicry is kind of close to OR since only the ability mimicry is mentioned, however it should be included as the source of his mimicry ability, as that is what Brian Said. Unlike Sylar who mimicry's by absorbing the power in some way, Peter empathically senses the ability, and uses it. I'm guessing somewhat remeniscent to how Synch does it. In fact, Synch's ability matches Peter's very well, since Peter was able to Prophetically draw the future before Issac was. Rambling now, but do you get what I mean?Jacobshaven3 21:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the way you've described either Peter or Sylar's power. Peter doesn't just "sense" the power and then mimic it, his DNA is more or less chameleonic in nature, allowing him to appropriate other powers simply by being in their presence- his DNA will dynamically re-script itself and include those gene markers that he encounters that are linked to powers. Sylar's power-appropriation isn't exactly a gift; I'm pretty sure we all know what he does with those brains when he takes them, even if we don't want to admit it. Furthermore in "Six Months Before" he can see the "broken" parts of Brian Davis' brain (more than likely what he was seeing was the unusually active part of his brain, the part that isn't active in non-powered folk)- and it's a well known fact that if you try to fix something that's broken you will learn something along the way. I'm guessing Sylar's ability to pick powers up is a direct result of his ability to fix watches, almost as a side effect or an added feature, a different way the ability can be used. As to why he wants to keep doing it, to what ends... who knows. But anyway my point is neither power is simple mimicry, especially Peter's. He's almost a better, more refined version of Sylar. 61.69.209.180 16:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like the whole "persuasion" versus "mind control" thing with Eden. All the sources tell me is that Peter can—intentionally or otherwise—mimic powers by being within close range with their inherent user(s). This mimicry has no known effect on the "supplier" so to speak and generally does not result in any sort of dream/trance state. Whether Peter is "suppose to" have one power, or the two he's displayed are explicitly connected, I don't believe the sources we've found give much weight to this whole "empathy" thing. From an encyclopedic standpoint, we've got nothing. I'm open to different wording and description of Peter's power(s), but "empathy" would be more an ambiguation. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

This is the reason I didn't just put it in myself. I don't personally think empathy is a great description, however, thats what the writer of the show used as a direct description. It's true he was talking about Sylar's power foremost, but he said that above quote word for word. Peter's ability is empathy. why does the term "empathy" have no weight in this article? What about it goes against previous sources? And no, from an encyclopedic stand point, we do have something, a writer of the series quoting that Peter is an Empath. That can't just be ignored. Maybe if it was an expert in fiction giving his presumptions, but it's not, it's one of the people behind the entire creation. Thats why I don't understand why your saying we shouldn't use it, this is as close to the program explicitly saying it as possible.Jacobshaven3 22:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Let me clarify. It doesn't help. We found a source ages ago which used the term "power mimic" and it stuck. I don't honestly believe Fuller's wording supercedes what we've been using. To pit it simply, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I concede- yet still hold to my opinion on this matter. Jacobshaven3 23:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I say go nuts! WookMuff 07:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Wook, you've been warned about this...63.3.4.129 22:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

? wtf? "Go nuts" means go for it, what are you talking about, mysterious stranger? WookMuff 22:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I think they're referring to your trolling warning, Wook. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I got that, it was more of a "how is that in any way negative?" WookMuff 08:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I disagree that including information about Peter being empathic is wrong. firstly, because it's the truth, and secondly, there is lot's of sources to back it:

[1] (Interview with Tim Kring) In which says, as a direct quote regarding his ability: "Peter’s is based on his empathy and his ability to connect with people and when he’s around them."

[2] : Describes him as "super-empathic"

Though I don't know the validity, [3]and [4] also mention him having empathy, one going into detail about his power...

I'm just saying, if Tim Kring and Brian Fuller, as well as lots of websites (some quite reputable), are calling him empathic, then surely we should be too, otherwise, we aren't displaying the currently verifiable facts. Jacobshaven3 11:57, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Uh-huh. So, what does all that mean? Can you verify that they're trying to link his powers under one term? As far as wording goes, we have no need- stratch that. No real reason to copy their wording. The best out of all that is "super empathic/empathy," and that's still ambiguous. We generally shouldn't go out of our way to use their words. Plus, they themselves are probably just pulling that wording out of their [expletive]. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that, regardless of which source should be considered (although something coming directly from the writers of the show is, to me, the be all and end all of arguments), the concensus description of Peter's primary power is that of "empathy," and the fact this this IS Wikipedia, an information source fueld by a community, shouldn't consensus get the nod? Regardless, I honestly feel that the idea of "empathy" will become more and more prevalent. This is ONLY speculation on my part, but I feel Tim Kring was saying more than we originally perceived in that Peter's power may not necessarily be based on genetics solely, but also on his personality. Peter is able to mimic Claire's healing ability only after he remembers the way he "felt" around her. It's not something that just "happens" to him. He, whether he is aware of it or not, seems to trigger it based on his biological AND emotional makeup. My tow cents, anyways. Windmillninja 00:48, 03 March 2007 (UTC)

Claude calls Peter an empath in "The Fix". Can we change it now? 202.72.187.152 15:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Absorbed Powers

Think we should make a list of the people Peter has come in contact with (and thus who's powers he theoretically can use)? Similar to the list on the Sylar page where it lists who he's killed and the powers absorbed. As far as I can remember offhand, he's interacted in some way with Nathan, Claire, Matt, Claude, Isaac, Hiro and Sylar. 160.39.30.190 21:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Let's stay away from speculation, ok? The list on Sylars page is the known list of people he's killed because we were told/shown that in the show. Let's just wait and see what powers Peter has before creating a list. dposse 14:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

we know he has the healing factor due to the last episode... -Xornok 17:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

True! However, his potental for powers is still largely unknown at this point in time. It would be better to just wait. dposse 19:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Then perhaps, to avoid speculation, list powers he has explicitly displayed at some point? This would include invisibility, flying, drawing the future, healing factor, and mind-reading. 160.39.30.190 19:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

He has also absorbed radiation emission as evidenced by his flash of all his powers just before Claude punches him. Twinotter 16:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

No he hasn't, the powers you see in that scene, in order, are invisibility, the ability to read people's minds, and precognition. He starts shouting "I'm losing it" and then Claude hits him. At NO POINT do you see radiation emission - which is correct as he has not encountered Ted yet. If you feel I'm wrong then please prove me wrong. 61.69.203.155 10:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

why not call the listsomething like " list of observed powers" cause they are all by default absorbed.Karaveks voice 16:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Since Sylar had freezing when Peter met him, should a note be made that Peter may be able to use that power too? Bio 19:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

No. That's speculation. We should stick with powers Peter has displayed on the show or in the comic. --Kmsiever 20:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I did add a note saying that since he aquired TK from Sylar there may be other powers he has but is not aware of. I think this covers the requisites of not assuming anything (that someone watching the show couldn't nominally assume) and it mentions the "anomoly" of aquiring an aquired power. I don't think we need to make Peter some kind of superman but we do need to acknowledge the extent of his power. Padillah 16:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me(since apparently the only power of Syalar's that Peter has retained is TK) that Peter can only copy "single" powers. Nathan/flying, Isaac/precognition, etc. Since the only power that Sylar was shown to use in Odessa was TK, perhaps that's the explanation. If Sylar had used other powers against him, presumably he'd be able to use those as well, but it seems to be only ones he's exposed to. If you really want to get nitpicky, you could say that the power has to be in active use before he can copy it(i.e. he copied flight when Nathan caught him; telepathy when Matt was trying to read his thoughts; healing when Claire was hurt).DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 13:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Only that's not true, is it? He copied precog from Isaac when Isaac wasn't using it. He also copied flight from Nathan before the scene where they both flew, as he said to Nathan in the first episode "I hovered for a split second". The powers don't have to be in active use for them to be appropriated - his DNA can recognize gene markers for powers and rewrite itself to contain those gene markers from that point on. I'd say the initial mimicry only happened when the powers were in active use - like Claude said, it's a reflex, like Pavlov's dog salivating when a bell rings. His body just activates the new power when it senses the same power being activated near it, like "monkey see monkey do". 203.14.180.100 02:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the single power theory works either. It only looks that way because Sylar is the only one with more than one power. Peter can't get TK and healing from Claire simply because that's not what powers she has. Padillah 16:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

What about the fact that Syler has not physically displayed cryogenics in the show, it is instesd implied. By this logic, and by the fact that peter displays abilities without the true user activating them (he levitates on the roof without nathan being in the air, he heals himself just by Claire being nearby, he paints the future without Isaac doing so nearby, he returns to life in .07% by claire taking the glass out, but not actually using her powers, etc, etc) we could assume that peter now possesses, as of .07%, unlimited memory, form Syler from Hiro's crush in Texas, Cryogenic abilities, from Syler, origional user unknown, and possibly girl who had "power of persuasion", as demonstrated by Syler when he commands Isaac in the end of .07%, although this may in fact be that "cool voice" thing that the guy earlier was talking about, mr walker's unknown power that Syler has, Zane's liquification, mechanic girl's hearing, barstow victims powers, and "David"'s power (from turning point). Again, these are all from Sylaer, and based on the idea that Peter absorbs the geniome (as stated by suresh)of a individual, whether they are using their abilities or not, based on the above exasmples. What do ya think?--deathbysamurai 02:19, 27 April 2007

Sylar's freezing abilities have been confirmed as mentioned in his article. And the rest is speculation since Peter hasn't used any of Sylar's other powers. (Did you really have to list all of those examples?) --Pentasyllabic 06:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

For the table, Abilities demonstrated by Peter in the future time line, Meredith Gordon's (Claire's mother) pyrokinetic abilities should be added to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slick023 (talk • contribs) 00:45, May 1, 2007

wait i thought he was using the radiation in that scene--Aaronpark 20:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

isnt it true that he might also have the indian guys power? the one who goes into other peoples dreams? he might have just met him in a dream. in one of the earlier episodes he goes into the old rich black guy's dream cause he said that he dreamed about petr petreli telling him that he could fly, and he took him out over new york and they flew together. peter also says the sme thing or something. i think that there is a flaw in the story or something cause clair has the power of regeneration which is passive but he doesnt get super hearing ,which is also passive, from sylar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.216.133 (talk • contribs) 23:15, May 16, 2007

The chart currently says Peter absorbed Nathan's power in Genesis. Since they're brothers wouldn't he have absorbed his power in his early childhood? I know it's original research, but isn't it also original research to say Genesis is when he absorbed it? Josh the Nerd 02:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Josh

Radiation Emission

Dposse, It is not original research to state that Peter has demonstrated radiation emission - the thing that he fears the most. In the flash of multiple powers he shows at the end of Distractions he comes close to exploding. Also, it is not original research to state which characters Peter has interacted with and that he has not demonstrated the powers of these characters. Dposse, please see your talk page for more about this... Thanks, Twinotter 16:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

No, he comes nowhere close to exploding. Please refrain from drawing incorrect conclusions based on your own misunderstandings or lack of attention to the subject matter. Claude thinks that Peter will explode when his powers go crazy, either because he is aware of Ted or because he's got a lack of understanding of Peter's power. At the very worst, all that can happen to Peter if he calls on too many at once is he'll become overloaded and go comatose until his body works out the mess and recovers. In EVER SINGLE SCENE revolving around Peter's possibly exploding, it is shown to be a perfect copy of Ted's power (which was further confirmed when Ted himself lost control of his power in the Bennet's household). As Peter has not yet encountered Ted, it is completely impossible for him to have radiation-based powers at this point. Please pay more attention before you start speculating. And yes, it IS original research, Twinotter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.69.203.155 (talk) 10:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Sorry I totally forgot to sign the preceeding comment. My bad. 61.69.203.155 10:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess its fair to say now that he does acquire radiation emission, since he DOES infact explode above new york city.Baaleos 12:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Telepathy

How come when Peter is using Matt's power you hear feedback, when Matt isn't even around? (Like the episode "Distractions") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.117 (talk • contribs) 22:18 February 15, 2007, User refers to himself as "Red Spiderman". - Comment copyedited by: - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 04:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Although it's speculation I guess thats got to do with the fact that the first time he was near Matt, and Recalling that feeling recalled the feedback that occured. There currently is no explained reason though. Jacobshaven3 22:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

OK Thanks- Red Spider-Man 2/20 —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{2}}}|{{{2}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{2}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{2}}}|contribs]]) 22:14, February 20, 2007 76.16.89.117

Peter's Age

Is there an official source that confirms Peter's age is 26? In an interview on NBC's website with creator Tim Kring (I can't find the exact link right now, but I'll produce it later if someone else doesn't beat me to it), when asked about Peter and Claire ever getting together, he said no because Peter is 30 and Claire is 16.--76.179.82.128 00:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

According to the reference in List of characters in Heroes, Godsend gives his age as 26. Jacobshaven3 01:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Ummm...the other reason why Peter and Claire will never 'get together' is that he's her uncle.;)DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 13:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

Peter Petrelli's name, like the names of many comic book superheroes and supervillans such as Clark Kent and Lex Luthor, is alliterative. The only other Heroes character that has this same distinction is Gabriel Grey.

I'm thinking that's going to be more of a direct reference later on in the series. Peter is beginning to hone his "stored" powers so that he can use them at will, making him the only one we know of that is going to be capable of taking Sylar out. The Superman reference should become a direct one when they become bigger enemies with each other, ala Clark Kent and Lex Luthor. Goroliath

I'm glad you added in the alliterative part I did that awhile back and some clown kept removing it. On the other hand I didnt even make the connection that Sylar's real name is also alliterative good catch --Bushido Brown 03:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

dposse removed that mention under the guise of "original research". Im bringing it back as no part of that trivia is original research --Bushido Brown 00:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Additions

I added some details from Unexpected (others beat me to it). Was that actually Peter stopping time on the roof of the building, or did he 'catch' the taser gun darts with telekinesis? I couldn't tell. Also, did I miss an instance of a character with Sonic type abilities? I added the appearance of those when Peter's "scream" sent Isaac flying backwards, but I can't think of what character that is tied to. Presumably he got that from Sylar. - Denny 06:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was a Sonic Scream as well, but others seem to think that he threw Isaac back with telekinesis and the vocal distortion was a result of his absorbing Eden's powers (whom he contacted briefly in Suresh's apartment). That makes sense to me, but I like entertaining the idea that he absorbed a sonic scream from Sylar. All signs point to Eden, though.  Anticrash  talk  16:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

In the cast/crew commentary on NBC.com, this is attributed to telekinesis. No mention of Eden is made, but that doesn't mean it's not related. -Big Smooth 18:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Stopping the darts is telekinesis. which he got from Sylar. I think he stopped time as well.--Syd Henderson 07:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Telekinesis v. freezing time

There seems to be disagreement over whether Peter used Sylar's telekinesis or Hiro's freezing time to stop the taser from hitting him, which means that the description of his powers ("Waking Up") does not agree with the table of mimicked powers.

It appears that he's mimicked both powers already (although my memory is hazy, so I'm not sure if Peter actually was mimicking Hiro's power), and it makes no fundamental difference to the plot which one it is, but this needs to be clarified. Samer 13:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Peter did meet Future Hiro when time was frozen on the subway, so he should have access to Hiro's ability. Also, the wires on the taser seemed to affected as well (no sagging due to gravity, etc), which suggests freezing time. While this could be an atypical display of telekinesis, Mr. Bennet didn't seem to be taking any action at the time, which would be unusual. 66.57.61.62 15:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that the time manipulation can also have an effect on momentum as well, which would explain why the taser fell to the ground after Peter froze them. Also in the episode, Hiro froze time when Hope was firing the gun at him, and he reversed it, sending the bullet back into the gun, which threw her off balance and sent her stumbling back. He stopped the bullet and altered its course and velocity, and Peter did the same to the taser.  Anticrash  talk  16:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I watched this scene a few times online and I don't think it can be determined whether he stopped time or used telekinesis (or both). I did notice the wires not sagging, but that could also have been controlled by his telekinesis - i.e. he just telekinetically stopped everything coming at him, wires included. I would have said the fact that the taser darts fell to the ground without any physical contact indicated that it was not just a time stoppage, but as Anticrash pointed out, the "physics" of Hiro's powers are pretty hazy and that could also apply here. There just isn't anything else in the scene that indicates whether or not time was stopped; it's true Bennet didn't seem to move, but this could easily be because he was stunned by Peter's sudden display of new abilities. It could have been either power. -Big Smooth 18:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think he froze time. While the nodes were stopped, the guns were still making noise. One would think that if time was frozen, any motors or electricity-generating mechanisms would have stopped as well. --Kmsiever 01:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I think he slowed time and then used telkenisis to bring them to the ground- Redspiderman 2/20 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.117 (talk • contribs) 22:17, February 20, 2007

The power COULD be both but in all cases of time control their always seams to be a cool sound reverb and other effects such as the bullet time camera while that never happened during telekinesis. And if you were watching carefully, it did do the usual bullet time thing with the sounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toxic Ninja (talk • contribs) 23:30, February 20, 2007

Peter very clearly brought time to a stop. Listen to the clicking sound of the guns slow down and stop. Also, when time is running, the guns are flashing colors on and off. When Peter stops time and the camera pans around, the colors on the guns in the distance are absolutely still. GameCreator 07:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I changed it so it merely says "Abilities" rather than a specific one. removing any possible OR or Speculation. Jacobshaven3 19:52, 21 February 2007

Well, I've seen the scene a couple of times and it's pretty ambiguous, but I'm pretty sure it was telekinesis since if he stopped time and then restarted it, the projectiles would've just continued in their trajectory. I think the sound slowing down you here is just the directors going for a slow-mo shot like they did when Sylar moved in on Sandra Bennet a couple of eps back. Also, the writers for the show in the latest interview gave the impression that Peter hasn't used Hiro's power yet since they say "So Peter, probably has Hiro's abilities in a less developed form than present Hiro – since he has not practiced with them. In fact, he might not even realize he has them." So until we have any convincing evidence otherwise, Peter's ability to manipulate spacetime is purely speculation. --M m hawk 23:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Slowing down the sound is one thing. Stopping it altogether for several seconds while Peter looks at the darts is another (which is what happened). And as I mentioned before, the lights from the guns froze completely also. And the wire between the darts and the gun was frozen in the air as well (it didn't sag, as it would if he just held the darts). Finally, regarding the article, it's not clear what it means that Peter's time powers are not fully developed. Does this mean that he can stop time but maybe not time travel? That would be my guess. But in any case, to me, with the evidence I presented, it's pretty clear he at least stopped time. Whether he used telekinesis in combination with it is something else (though I would say no, as that's never even been done before (two powers used at the same time)). GameCreator 23:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

In a slow-motion shot you wouldn't have had a chance to see the wires sag much. If it was a time freeze then how come the projectiles didn't continue in their trajectory and fall to the ground instead? You can also see Claude heaving the entire time Peter has the projectiles stopped, which wouldn't happen if Peter had stopped time. So it's not at all clear if it was a time freeze or telekinesis, and the writers give the impression that Peter doesn't even know he can stop time, so he would not have even tried. At any rate, hopefully the writers will clear this up in the next interview, or perhaps the next ep will. In the meantime we'll just have to wait and see.--M m hawk 02:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Another bit of evidence suggestion time was stopped: the manner in which he stopped the projectile is very similar to the manner in which Hiro stopped a projectile in the same episode. That seems like an intentional parallel on the part of the film maker. Twinotter 19:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

You guys have forgotten Hero has the ability to manipulate time AND SPACE. He obviously used heros abilities to manipulate the space causing the tazor to slow down and fall down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.45.138 (talk • contribs) 21:47, February 24, 2007

Take into account the sound used in this scene as the tazor wires stop, and the jump to slow motion. It seems to be that the director uses this scene to show Peter stops time for a split second(as camara rotates from facing Peter to facing front of Tazor wires)then he grabs hold of it, mentally (as camara rotates to facing Peter agian) and drops them to the ground. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.16.138.41 (talk • contribs) 20:53, February 26, 2007

A few things. One- Sign your comments. Two- It's "tazer" or "taser", not "Tazor". Three- it's not Hero, it's Hiro; do your research. Four- This is wiki, so no OR or speculation, thanks. 203.14.180.100 05:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Verifibility

If one person can give verifiable evidence, which does not include what is visible on the episode (since people can't agree on what they saw or heard, and it wasn't shown explicitly), that this was Telekinesis or Time Manipulation, then one can be chosen, however so far all people are giving is OR and Speculation. Until one can be verified, please refrain from placing a specific ability, and leave it neutral. Jacobshaven3 19:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

In "Parasite", the way Sylar stopped Mohinder's bullet, and made it fall to the ground, looked just like what Peter did to the tazer wires. 67.167.127.178 23:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

This is easy. In "Unexpected" when the tazer stopped moving, look at Claude closely. He was in pain, and he moved. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 01:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

no if you look at the backround you see stuff moving ( the tazer thingy on the roof) meaning that it was telekenisis no time cause if it were everyhing would have stoped —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.216.133 (talk • contribs) 22:51, May 16, 2007

Both comments are first person perspectives of what happened. People disagree with the above observations, and therefore the source isn't verifiable. Once again, are there any other sources proving one way or another? Jacobshaven3 09:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

But Peter and Claude were touching, so Peter could have pulled Claude out of time with him. Like when Claude grabs something while invisible it becomes invisible too, or when Hiro held onto Ando when they both teleported to the future.AWarriorStill 22:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Good point. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 08:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. :) Jacobshaven3 09:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as (theoretically) Hiros power is manipulation of the gravitons in the area around him, the taser wires momentum could easily have been affected, albeit in a way that mimics telekiniesis, making it totally ambiguous. Blkmasta 03.19am, 21/4/2007 GMT

i think he used TK at that moment since he just discovered he got it from sylar and he knew how to use powers by thinking of people he met with powers and he didnt even mention Hiro on that scene so he didnt stop time, and that slow-motion is just dramatic effect —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.167 (talk • contribs) 14:23, April 29, 2007

As Benett did react when the tazer suspended, my guess is that he used Telekinesis. FMN92 00:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Super yell

When fighting Issac Peter uses some extremely strong, commanding voice that knocks Issac back(sounded like your general "voice of god" thing). Any ideas where this power came from? Toxic Ninja 04:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Addition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHBKWTUM5HM its seen at 3:20 (also replace knocks back with sends flying)Toxic Ninja 04:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

According to the commentary it was just telkenesis.. as for the change in voice they really didn't mention that. EnsRedShirt 05:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but barring any evidence to the contrary, I strongly suspect it was something like...

At the Heroes production office:

Editor: "Hey, let's put a cool effect on his voice!"

Producer:"Cool - the viewers love that stuff."

Out on the Internet:

Heroes fan board: "What? WHAT?!? I don't believe it - they're totally ripping off Loud Lad from book 213-J of the unpublished X-Factor-Force-Unlimited Men miniseries."

(grin) --Ckatz^chat_spy 05:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

wow... that was really lame... -Xornok 05:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

lol.. current thought on the unexpected article talk page is that it's Eden's power.. He did meet here once I believe.. EnsRedShirt 05:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool voice effect doesn't send someone flying 20 feet. Anyway I devised a theory, maby it was once of Sylers stolen abilities, the show never mentiones if he has to see the power or just be close to someone who can use it.Toxic Ninja 22:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not the yell that propels Isaac, it was him hurling him with telekinesis whilst yelling. Sylar's voice got the same treatment when he telekinetically attacked Claire's mum. Any theory is OR and Speculation anyhow, which is not allowed regardless. Jacobshaven3 22:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The voice is similar to Eden's voice when using her mind control ability. Peter screamed something like "Don't lie to me!" just before propelling Isaac. Note that Isaac do not say one lie after that... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.103.66.46 (talk) 21:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

I Imagine most people would refrain from lying after being telekinetically hrown across a room. Isaac was probably terrified, so he told Peter the truth. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 00:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious Peter pushed Isaac using Telekinesis. I think the "yell" is significant in showing the audience that Peter picked up something else from Sylar that he (and us) may not be aware of. For instance, when Sylar spoke to Claire's mom, it was not when he used telekinesis on her, it was while she was already on the ground as he made his advance. Also in Unexpected, Sylar uses the same voice when speaking to Dale before he even attacks or shows any sign of telekinesis: "What's that sound... in your heat?" "'Murder.'" I think the creepy voice, up to this point, is just to show that Peter may have picked something up from Sylar that might not be good. As far as the creepy voice being the source of him pushing Isaac, I don't agree with that. But I do think that it was definitely something significant. (Whether or not that should be added to the article, I leave to you guys) Watemon 05:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

you know how he has to feel like he did when he encountered a powered person? well want hesacredwhen he met sylar? so why isntthat just backlash from his emotional state?Karaveks voice 16:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Peter has the power of persuasion. He met Eden briefly in "Collision" giving him ample time to absorb her power. Therefore, he has to have her power. In "Unexpected" he used a very creepy deep voice and said "Don't Lie to me" to Isaac. Isaac was flying across the room was telekinesis and then proceeded to tell the truth. As you all know, Peter can use more than one power at a time, given that he went haywire in "Distractions" using multiple powers right before Claude punched him. Eden used that same creepy deep voice in "Six Months Ago" when she persuaded Matt to eat a dozen donuts. So it is my conclusion that he has the power of persuasion. The thing is Peter doesn't know it.--Babysmurf0583 18:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe we should leave the article as it is now, because honestly, we don'y know. I personally believe that Peter has persuasion, but we shouldn't add it until we are sure. Lets just wait and see if he uses it again. Seros 19:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that we know for sure that it was a Sylar power (seeing as Sylar used it in E14), and we know it is a voice effect. This means in the article, it should say just that, nothing more. Whether or not it propels things or if it was telekenesis is open for debate so we leave that out. AllUltima 07:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Oy! I keep posting this everywhere, and it's at the bottom of this page! There is an _interview_ with Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite(writers for Heroes) that states that this was _just_ a voice effect. Read it for yourself: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9817 No voice power. Does he have it during the course of the show? There's no way to know. HOWEVER, we DO know that it is not Eden's power in that specific scene, per the interview. It's not open for debate. It's sourced! Valaqil 15:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The voice effect is something that Sylar has demonstrated as well, they seem to use it when they're appling their telekinetic abilities. Notably, Syldar's voice has the same modification at the end of Parasite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avilister (talk • contribs) 01:12, March 7, 2007

As I stated in Absorbed Powers, it seems that Peter only absorbs powers if they're being actively used when he's in their presence.(this works with every power he's shown: Nathan/flight - when Nathan flew up to catch him; Claire/healing - when he and Claire fell off the roof; Claude/invisibility - when he was able to see Claude, presumably because he was becoming invisible himself; Hiro/time manipulation - when he met future-Hiro on the subway; Sylar/TK - from when Sylar threw the lockers at him in Texas; Matt/telepathy - from when Matt was reading his mind). Given the way Eden's power appeared to work, there's no indication that she was using it when Peter met her. As Sigma said, if an angry person had just hurled me across the room with the power of their mind, I'd be telling them the truth too, just in case they knew the truth anyway.DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 13:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Peter and Sylar fell off the roof, not Peter and Claire. --Kmsiever 15:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Yup. So you're wrong with that speculation there, Discord. Also, as I have also replied to your above statement on the same subject- Pete copied Isaac's power when Isaac WASN'T using it. So that's Claire AND Isaac that weren't using their powers when Peter copied them. So how do you explain that? 203.14.180.100 03:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

... but how come he didnt absorb and activley express all of the other powers sylar has when he met him? ( he had alot more than TK) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.216.133 (talk • contribs) 22:54, May 16, 2007

Personally, with the above source in mind, I think it is either the sound being distorted by the telekiniesis moving the air to batter Isaac, or something to do with Peters unconfirmed "empath" status, ie. highly emotional = weird effects. Or it could be a signal that e doesn't just absorb powers, but sometimes a little bit of personality and other thins, ie. darker mood from Sylar, weird voice effect. Hell, seeing as pretty much none of the powers make any kind of sense anyway, it could be anything canon-wise. Blkmasta 03.28am GMT, 21/4/2007.

Peter's abilites.

Now that i've got this page fully protected, we're going to discuss this until we can come to a consensus.

1. We cannot list what Peter might do in the future because of his visions. His visions are just glimpses of what could be, and not what is.
2. We cannot state if Peter is stronger than Sylar, or if he will become stronger than Sylar, because that is speculation. Until Peter kicks Sylars ass in the show, or vice versa, it's original research. In other words, no speculation on Peter's or Sylar's potential is allowed unless sourced from the Director/Writer or it's said in the show.
3. About the Telekenesis v Time stopping in Talk:Unexpected (Heroes), until we get confirmation either in the show or from an outside source, like the Director or a Writer, we must leave it neutral. That is the only way that we can accurately write this article under the rules set up for us at WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR, ect.

Anything i missed? Let's discuss this. This article, and the Unexpected article, will remain fully protected until we come to a consensus

Thank you. dposse 18:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay. No problem. My basis for saying that he used radiation emission is not from his vision of blowing himself up in NY. He nearly goes nuclear just before Claude punches him at the end of Distractions. He actually exhibits the same power that Ted Sprague shows. He has not wilted flowers, like Ted. But then, he hasn't blown locker doors off or healed from a branch stuck through his head, but you don't doubt that he has shown these powers.

Next, a list of people that he has interacted with is not speculation. Saying, "He interacted with Eden McCain and therefore has her power" would be speculation and not appropriate. However, listing which heroes he has interacted with and specifically saying that he has not exhibited these powers is simple fact that can be verified by looking at the episodes in question. Peter met Eden McCain in Collision. He met with the Haitian in Unexpected. The reader can draw their own conclusions one way or another. (Personally, I think there's a strong probability that Peter doesn't absorb a power until it's actually demonstrated near him, but then, that's speculation!)

Beyond what has been said above, I don't have anything to add to the telekinesis/time control discussion nor do I think at this point that it would be appropriate to add time control to his "known list." By the same token, I do believe that it would be appropriate to state that there's some contention over whether he's demonstrated time manipulation abilities.

Finally, I appreciate that you've used official channels to lock this page and resolve the dispute about what constitutes speculation and original research. Thank you also for putting links on my talk page describing attribution. I'm unhappy with the fact that you're continuing to simply revert my edits rather than actually editing them to include your point of view. Please re-read the link that I posted on your talk page (Help:Reverting#When to revert) and be more civil with your edits.

Thank you, Twinotter 22:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Twinotter WHERE DOES HE NEARLY GO NUCLEAR? Seriously, at no point in that scene does he even come remotely close. Do you even watch the show? 61.69.203.155 10:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The only thing I have to add to this is a correction on the above: Peter has not even met Ted Sprague yet, so as of yet, it is impossible for him to have Ted's ability. When Claude punched him, he was seeing the event unfold again in real time, and Claude knocked him out because Peter was unstable (Peter couldn't tell he was just seeing the future), not because he was about to blow up.

But anyway, all I have to say is that Peter doesn't have Ted's ability yet.
Watemon 09:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't have said it any better, Watemon. Peter was overloading on every power other than Teds ability. The powers we saw were Isaacs, Matts, and perhaps a few others. Claude knocked him out to calm him down and stop this overload. Right now, Peter hasn't met Ted yet so he can't use his ability. dposse 17:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I must be remembering the scene incorrectly. This is another good reason to add a "Who Peter has interacted with" section. Twinotter 23:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure there is a reason to add that section. We will add what abilites he uses when he uses them, not before, if the ability is clearly used or we have a source (like Mr. Beeman or someone else on the show) that the ability was. Adding a section of super powered people he's met is unneccasary and will lead to a whole lot of unneeded seculation about what could happen in the future. Look, my complaints against your edits on here, and the Unexpected article, stem from WP:NOT. WP:NOT#CRYSTALBALL states that "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation". That, i believe, applies here. I understand the desire to add infomation like you are suggesting, but we live under very strict rules on wikipedia that do not allow us to add such infomation. dposse 15:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not talking about adding speculation. I'm only talking about verifiable information about a character. The characters that Peter interacts with are important. This type of information instantly answers questions such as "could Peter have shown radiation emission?" It's answering those types of questions, without speculating on whether Peter has the particular ability, that is exactly the purpose of Wikipedia - encyclopedic knowledge. I'm going to break this question out in the section below to try to bring in other opinions. Twinotter 04:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

One of the problems with listing his powers really is going to be by answering the question: Does he absorb the powers from being around them, or when they are used near him. However, this actually is potentially already answered. He (to the best of my knowledge) never saw Isaac use his powers, and to the best of my knowledge (I can check later) was never near Isaac when Isaac used his powers. Yet, he was able to use Isaac's power to finish the painting of Sylar. I suggest we re-check the first few episodes to make sure that Isaac was not in close proximity (say, 20 yards as close?) to Peter when Isaac was using his powers. This, I think, will give us proof as to whether the power needs to be used near him, or if he just has to be near them to gain their abilities. HOWEVER, just because he has an ability, does not mean he knows how to use it if it is the just-close-to-them that is proven. Just staying on the close-to-them idea as a hypothesis, Peter actually has all the powers Sylar has, plus Claire's, Hiro's, Nathan's, Carl's, The Haitian's, Eden's, Matt's, and pretty much everyone in the show except for Nikki, D.L., Micah, Hannah, and Ted (in case I missed anyone in my list--tired). This would mean he has more powers than Sylar, but because he does not have the control over all of them like Sylar does, he is not necessarily as powerful or more powerful than Sylar.UncleThursday 09:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Since meeting people is important to this discussion, I'd like to introduce something I'm working in progress: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Heroes#First encounter. People say that he met Eden in Collision (104). But that cell happens to be empty when I work through 107. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 00:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Continuing on with this - can we rule out the possibility that Peter only gains a person's power when he TOUCHES them? I seem to remember him hugging Nathan (flight), shaking hands with Isaac (precognition), being tackled by Sylar (telekenisis), Claire touching him when he landed (healing), Matt putting his hand on his shoulder (telepathy), and getting bumped into by Claude (invisibility). Maybe I'm mis-remembering things and I know this is speculation at this point - but I'd like to know, has Peter explicitly exhibited a power from a person that he has not shown to have touched? Jeff schiller 22:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe Claude answered that. dposse 17:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember Matt or Hiro touching him.--Syd Henderson 00:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as Peter's abilities I added a small mention of the fact that he has demonsrated TK and that this is an aquired ability of Sylar therefore there is no telling what other powers he may have. This limits his known powers to only those shown yet informs the reader that there is a possibility that Peter has other powers he simply is unaware of. I believe both of these are important pieces of information the reader should be aware of. Padillah 16:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

This has been removed - we shouldn't be speculating as to whether or not Peter may have gained additional powers from his exposure to Sylar. If something manifests itself on-screen, then we can report it. --Ckatz^chat_spy 16:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not speculation, he has aquired powers from Sylar. It is not speculation that we do not know how many powers were aquired from Sylar. I'm not offering any theories as to what the power is or how many there are... mearly bringing to the front the fact that we don't know the extent nor complexity of Peter's ability to aquire powers. I believe this is an important piece of information since it goes directly to the character of the show. Padillah 17:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The text in question is as follows:

"Since Sylar aquired telekinesis (it was not an original power of his) and Peter aquired it from him it is not known what other absorbed powers Peter is unaware of."

This text doesn't add anything new that cannot be inferred from the article at present. It also implies that Peter has absorbed other powers beyond what we have seen. Basically, we should only report on what is shown on-screen, in the comics, or confirmed by official sources. We shouldn't presume that there are "hidden" powers waiting to appear. --Ckatz^chat_spy 17:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't read it that way. It doesn't imply anything, it states simply that there is no way for anyone to know what powers Peter has aquired at any given moment. The way I read it almost denys speculation by asserting the fact that we can't know what powers Peter has until he displays their use (confirming your restriction above). Is it the phrasing? Is there a better way of stating this?

I feel it does need to be stated since it's not clear from the article whether Peter knows if/when he has aquired a power and the viewers are not made aware of what powers he has aquired until they are used. Maybe something along the lines of "... no indication when a power is absorbed and Peter does not seem to be aware of what power he absorbs..." I feel strongly that some blatant mention be made of the fact that there is no way to know what powers Peter has. Heck, he may have picked up several other powers just by walking down the street...we can't possibly know. Padillah 17:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

i think that he has the ability to go into ppls dreams like that indian kid that muhinder meets bacause in one of the earlier episodes the old rich black man ( issac mendez's girlfriend's dad) says that he met peter petreli in a dream and that peter said he oculd fly, and he proved it to him by taking him out a window and they flew over new york togeter. peter says he had the same or similar dream or something like that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.216.133 (talk • contribs) 23:18, May 16, 2007

Peter's Interactions

Other readers/editors, please chime in on the question: Should the entry for Peter Petrelli list other heroes that Peter has interacted with? Twinotter 04:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

No. Such a section would be really fan-crufty. All of his interactions and potential powers should be incorporated into his character history and/or powers sections in prose form. EvilCouch 09:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe it is important. The purpose of recording known facts is so that we know where the research ends and the speculation begins. The more facts we have, the better one can tell if their theories even have any basis. I've unfortunately missed a couple episodes, so I couldn't be sure if Peter and Eden had even met. If a fact is unconfirmed that I understand, but after reading this discussion, I now know that he and eden have been in the same room. I see no reason not to state such a simple fact.4.229.150.68 15:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Lady Nigh

Including such a list is tantamount to speculating what his powers are, due to his nature. I think only verifiable powers should be included as they're revealed in the show or online graphic novels. --GargoyleMT 22:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, GargoyleMT. That's what this whole argument is based on, speculation vs fact. dposse 12:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not tantamount to speculating what powers he has. It's giving readers information that is lacking in other places that lets them decide the situation for themselves. Right now, there's nothing on Nathan's page that says that he's interacted with Eden - even in the history section. But given the nature of his powers, that's an important piece of factual (not speculative) information that's missing. It would be like not listing a character that Sylar had killed. Ask yourself this, is it fact or speculation that he interacted with Eden? Is it fact or speculation that he has been near the Haitian? The wiki is a place for facts, not drawing conclusions. Let the readers draw whatever conclusions they want. Twinotter 00:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you meant Peter, not Nathan. You just keep getting it wrong, don't you. 203.14.180.100 05:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction, anonymous. Yes, Peter's page, not Nathan's. Twinotter 21:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Direct Answers to your questions

Hey, maybe we should go directly to the producers and writers mouths. On the page comicbookresources.com, after every new episode they have an article called "Behind the Eclipse" with questions from viewers to the writers, and sometimes they actually answer them directly. For example, this weeks article directly answers the whole "Super Yell" question that you guys have been debating over regarding Sylar and Peter. The question and answer that was asked was:

Benjamin Spears writes in with a whole host of thoughts and questions. “Thanks so much for the BEHIND THE ECLIPSE series! What can you tell us about the Uluru creature that has been subtly referred to in the series and seen in one of the graphic novels? Also, what's the significance with the Heroes' voices changing? Aside from Eden (whose voice changed when she used her power of suggestion) we've seen Sylar and Peter's (last episode) voices change. Is there a deeper reason for this or should we just chalk it up to the ‘coolness’ factor?”

{answer} The Peter and Sylar changes should be credited to coolness factor. And as for Uluru – we know that it is the native name for Ayers Rock in Australlia. Maybe people should look into the mythology of Uluru and then ask the question again.

You can find the rest of the article(s) at http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9817

Check it out. 192.139.221.204 13:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Bryan Gittens 8am, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Since when does Australia have 2 L's? GB2/geography/. 203.14.180.100 05:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Notes from "Unexpected" commentary (re: Peter)

Originally posted at Talk:Unexpected (Heroes), reposted to help with Peter's ability discussions.
(Indent reset!) It took four friggin tries, but I was finally able to watch most of the commentary. Sendhil (Mohinder), Zachary (Sylar), and Jeff Loeb do the commentary this episode. Notes in particular to Peter:

• During the scene where HRG finds Claude and Peter: Sendhil, Zachary, and Jeff comment on how cool the night vision is, Jimmy Jean-Louis's (the Haitian) name, that Peter "froze the tazers", and that flying away was so Superman. As a side note, HRG and the Haitian's tazers are flashing different colors when they shoot Claude. As Peter freezes the tazers, the camera eventually swings to an over-the-shoulder view. Where the Haitian is standing, his tazer gun's color is frozen on red.
• During the end scene at Isaac's apartment: Peter knocked back Isaac with "telekinesis" according to Jeff. You can hear Peter's voice change as he tells Isaac "Don't lie to me!". (This could mean that Peter used Brian/Sylar and Eden's powers simultaneously.) It definitely means that Isaac's knockback is not from Eden's power. Jeff also points out a continuity error: The dinosaur painting, which is supposed to be torn up and in Hiro's tube, is on an easel in the apartment while Isaac is trying to aim for Peter. Jeff said he did not notice it until someone pointed it out after the scene was shot.

Hope this info helps clear up some of the questions- fmmarianicolon | Talk 22:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
(End of repost) - fmmarianicolon | Talk 23:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

If you will look at the interview above, it has been stated that neither Sylar nor Peter has Eden's power. It should be chalked up to "coolness factor". Valaqil 15:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually Peter came into contact with Eden in what I believe was the episode Hiro's. Knight Whitefire 21:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Character role development

I'm trying to add information to each of the character's articles on how the character role was developed. (See Simone and Mr. Bennett for better examples, or the trivia sections in Hiro and Niki's articles for so-so examples.) For Peter, the role was originally designed to be Nathan's twin. (Source: The Powers That Be (page 3)). I remember before the show debuted that the character chart (when it was back on the main article (doesn't that somewhat seem like forever ago?)) also listed Peter as a twin. Does anyone else know of other sources about the characters being twins, or any info on how "Peter" came to be? - fmmarianicolon | Talk 00:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Peter using multiple abilities simultaneously

Please list a source(like episode and scene) that shows Peter using more than one ability at once. I have seen every episode (love DVR) multiple times and cannot find this. I have seen him use one power right after another, but not at the same time.

The statement that Peter can use multiple powers at the same time should be removed unless/until that statement is cited/verified. Steveo9009 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.222.58.14 (talk) 06:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

When fighting Issac, Peter becomes invisible, and then while invisible, he uses Telekinesis and begins throwing object at Issac.--68.192.188.142 23:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that Peter can use more than one power at a time. The thrown objects could have been thrown by hand, not telekinetically. Besides, the limitation could lead Peter to getting the scar that the future Hiro mentioned. By having to fight or escape from Sylar with other abilities, Peter won't be able to heal properly. 69.243.211.149 04:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC) Matthew

agreed -Xornok 05:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

It's been shown that he can use two powers at once - invisibility and telekinesis ("Unexpected"). It's pointless debating the point anymore when there's a verifiable piece of evidence that is 100% canon. It's like arguing that blue is red. If you want to plead that it wasn't clear enough, think about this - if Peter hadn't been using invisibility, then he no longer would have been able to see Claude and therefore neither would we - also, we never saw either of them alter their visibility, and at this stage the invisibility was still in "automatic response" stage. If he didn't use the telekinesis, he would have copped a pole to the face, which he didn't, and it's hard to get more obvious than THAT. Therefore, if we're going to go with Occams Razor here (which I think would be reasonable), the simplest explanation for what we saw is that he was using 2 powers at once. I honestly think it's completely pointless to keep debating something once it has more or less conclusively been shown. 203.14.180.100 05:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

he used invisibility and flight the same time when he and claude is escaping from mr bennet on the rooftop -- b00m —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.167 (talk • contribs) 14:50, April 29, 2007

In 'Five Years Gone', Peter is shown using telekinesis while invisible at Nikki's bar. Until this time, no previous scene explicitly showed this. Steveo9009 06:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

No, not quite. A glass is moved by something we can't see. He may have simply reached over and grabbed the glass while invisible and dragged it clear across the bar to where he sat. There is nothing that makes the display specifically TK. Padillah 16:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems that he may be able to use some abilities at the same time but they put differing levels of drain on him; otherwise he wouldn't have required Nathan to fly him away in "How to stop an exploding man" he could have done it himself or even teleported. This may be an oversight on the writers behalf. (Matuku 14:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC))

Remember Peter wasn't trying to explode....if he could have stopped he would have. This means that he at that point (as he stated) he had no control of his powers. This doesn't stop him from being able to use two powers at once when he is in control, but when he's lost control of one power I assume he's lost control of HIS power and therefore ALL powers. (Rekija 06:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC))

Comments on Parasite

I simply want to add the events that took place on last night's episode.

After fleeing from Isaac's studio, Peter goes to speak to Nathan and tells him of Simone's death. Nathan suggests calling the police and begs Peter to stay so that he might help, but Peter runs away again, now feeling that anyone he cares about is in danger as long as he lives.
Peter stops by Mohinder's apartment to find it empty, with papers and furniture astray as if a fight had taken place. A few drops of blood fall on Peter's head and discovers Mohinder pinned to the ceiling, whispering, "Syler."
Peter turns around and Syler has him cornered, telekinetically pushing him into the wall.
"You're the one that's like me (paraphrase)... I wonder how that works..."
Syler begins to cut open Peter's forehead, revealing the method by which Peter obtains his scar. The episode ends as a couple of drops of blood and a loch of hair falls to the floor.

Even though the page is protected, we should remember to add details to Peter's bio as the show progresses.
Watemon 22:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not Syler it's Sylar. Say it with me - SYLAR. 203.14.180.100 05:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Not done; that's not about the character, that's an episode guide. Neil (not Proto ►) 13:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

In "Unexpected", where Claude and Peter are fighting on the roof, they're invisible and Peter still uses telekinesis.67.167.127.178 06:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thats a very good point. I think it should be said that he can use multiple powers simultaneously, but he may be having some trouble learning how - he only seems to do it as a reflex, which at least is a step up from calling up ANY power by reflex. 203.14.180.100 08:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Telepathy 2

Ok i watched "fallout" on itunes and when peter is talking to matt and Audrey Hanson, after he an matt read each other mind, peter reads Audrey hearing, the cheerleader is all ready dead {refering to Jakie}, so Peter is shown useing telepethy and it does not explain the "white nise" when he used telepethy with out Matt- Redspiderman 3/7 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.117 (talk • contribs) 17:23, March 7, 2007

Learn how to spell. Also, that wasn't feedback, that was overload. Peter was hearing alot of thoughts all at once, on top of the other powers his body was manifesting. That's why. 203.14.180.100 08:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I doubt he could "overload" on 2 peoples thoughts, Matt was around at least a dozen people when he first exhibited telepathy, and no over load. What happened in the interrogation room is that Peter could hear Matts thoughts, which was his thoughts plus Matts thoughts because Matt could hear his thoughts, and these thoughts, running around in a cycle, constantly adding thoughts, eventually caused something similar to mic feedback, except due to the sheer mass of thoughts that was accumulating, rather than increasing volume.For example: Peter thinks: "I'm Hungry." Matt hears this, and his thoughts are: Peter thinking "I'm Hungry." and "Idiot." PEter hears this, and his head is filled with: Peter thinking "I'm Hungry.", Matt thinking "Idiot." and "What how come i can hear him?" Imagine that in an endless loop but a lot more complicated, because people think multiple thoughts simultaeneously.

Blkmasta 3.43am GMT 21/4/2007

Asorbing area and Sylar

How far does any one think Peter has to be inorder to asorb some ones power, does he need to touch them? Becease if he does In Paresite sylar touched him and wouldn't that mean Peter now has all of sylar's powers- Redspiderman 3/7 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.89.117 (talk) 22:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Who cares? What does it have to do with this article? --Kmsiever 22:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Speculation here, but could this be why Peter is then screaming... not simply because his head is being sliced open, but because he now has super-hearing and the sound of his flesh being torn open is driving him bonkers? But, I think he just has to be near somebody, as I don't think he touched Matt and gained telepathy. --Cooleyez229 06:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Peter absorbed Hiro's power before touching or even seeing Hiro.--Syd Henderson 00:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Should we maybe add Sylars power maybe? or we should wait for the next episoied- Redspiderman (Now SIGNED AS red) 3/14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.117 (talk • contribs) 21:20, March 14, 2007

Adding them now, or at any point before they're completely unambiguous, is a recipe for conflict and confusion. Wikipedia wants items added to be verifiable (presumably to avoid being a source for misinformation). --GargoyleMT 17:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes but Peter did show superhearing at the end of Parisite, because all of sylar's victiums never yelled in pain when getting there head cut off and when sylar does it to Peter he yells in pain (by hearing his skin being torn(end is a theory))- red 3/15 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.117 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 15 March 2007

What you're saying does make some sense. I don't know if I believe it, but information on Wikipedia needs to be backed up more solidly. Namely, all information on Wikipedia must be a restating of information elsewhere in reliable sources (see WP:V and WP:RS). If you're interested in writing about your theories, there are more than a few Heroes themed wikis who might welcome such contributions. --GargoyleMT 16:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I said it was a theory even though Peter is the only victium to scream in pain when sylar is cut there head off- Red 3/17 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.117 (talk • contribs) 21:59, March 17, 2007

No, he might not be the only one who screams. I just re-watched the trailer for .07%, and Sylar does say "This is the part where people usually start screaming." There is a good chance he is talking to Peter. Arwen undomiel 19:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Why would he Say "this is the part people usally scream" to peter when he has already started the brain removal process, he was probaly talking to Issac- Red 4/3

Also in the wizard world info meeting (see home page dessicion of heroes) says Peter has all of Sylar's abilities- Red 4/3

What makes you so certain that he has "already started the brain removal process"? I mean, all he's doing so far is cutting into his skull. Removing the brain happens a little later. Don't write off Peter just yet. :)

Why would he say it to Peter? Well, one obvious thought is to taunt him. Think about it. Peter is the only victim who has given him any kind of fight(that we've seen). In addition, his words at the end of the last episode indicate that he recognizes Peter's ability, which, in turn, may make him jealous and even more prone to taunting. That is what villians do, after all. Valaqil 14:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Or, Peter is busy not screaming readying both his spontaeneous regeneration and any ability that could be used in combat? as in: Sylar: "Hahaha, I'm going to kill you now." Peter: (heals) (blasts Sylar against wall) Which does make sense, seeing as hes slowly changing from the whiny kid he is at the start of the series into the badass we see at the end of Unexpected. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.206.29.242 (talk) 02:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

Peter and the Haitian

I know this is not supposed to be a discussion on the subject, but about improving the article. And there should be no speculation and no original research. But I can't help myself. If Peter absorbs the Haitian's blocking ability and when they are both in the blocking proximity of each other, does that mean one can block the other's ability, which is to block the one's ability? A snake eating itself from the tail? Liquid that can dissolve anything? What if there's a third person around with power? They actually met in Unexpected. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 00:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes but i don't think The Haitian was in Peter's asorbing area and any way the Haitian would cancel Peter's asorbing ability first since he has more control of it (though it is debatable if the Haitian power cancels out mental powers since Peter and Naten both flew away when the Haitian was near)-Red 3/17 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.117 (talk • contribs) 22:02, March 17, 2007

Yes, the Haitan seems to only affect mind-related abilities, although it is debatable whether it would affect Peter (he remembers people to use their abilities, technically mind-related) although I doubt it, seeing as Eden and Matts powers affect other peoples minds, thus they have to be in range of that person, easily blockable, while Peters is within his own mind. and I don't think he abosrbed the Haitans power, although it would be handy for when hes around Matt. Blkmasta

Comments on Parasite 2

I simply want to add the events that took place on last night's episode.

After fleeing from Isaac's studio, Peter goes to speak to Nathan and tells him of Simone's death. Nathan suggests calling the police and begs Peter to stay so that he might help, but Peter runs away again, now feeling that anyone he cares about is in danger as long as he lives.

Peter stops by Mohinder's apartment to find it empty, with papers and furniture astray as if a fight had taken place. A few drops of blood fall on Peter's head and discovers Mohinder pinned to the ceiling, whispering, "Sylar."

Peter turns around and Sylar has him cornered, telekinetically pushing him into the wall.

"I remember you. You're like me, aren't you? I'd like to see how that works."

Sylar begins to cut open Peter's forehead, revealing the method by which Peter obtains his scar. The episode ends as a couple of drops of blood and a lock of hair falls to the floor.

this was deleted earlier by "Neil" without any explanation or viable reason, I just think that while this page is protected, we don't forget to update this page as new episodes air.

Even though the page is protected, we should remember to add details to Peter's bio as the show progresses.
144.96.88.41 00:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for removing my comments about spelling. As a token of my appreciation, I corrected the spelling of Sylar and lock (Syler and loch in the original) and adjusted the "paraphrase" to match what the line was in reality. This is Wiki. Make your information accurate if you're going to post it. That is all. Thank you. 203.14.180.100 02:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about, and I removed nothing from this page. All I know is I put up this request a couple of days ago and it was removed for no apparent reason. I copied what I posted before and pasted it back into the article, I didn't delete anything or remove anyone's comments, so please cease the attacks. Thanks.
Watemon 09:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I told you once, no - and I didn't remove your comment, I put it at the bottom of the page. Neil (not Proto ►) 12:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Chart

I liked it when there achart showing Peter's asorbed abilities so what if we bring it back but like this (in grapg form because i can't get a graph on here [already tried the graph button on top])- Red 3/15

Peter’s Absorbed Powers Absorbed #- 5 Power-Telepathy Power absorbed from-Matt Parkman Absorbed in-Fallout Notes-When Peter and Matt are by each other using Telepathy they both experience an overload —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.117 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 15 March 2007

I tried to address that by a chart that is under discussion. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm talking about just Peter asorbed abilities- RED 3/16 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.117 (talk • contribs) 15:10, March 16, 2007

Please sign your comments. Add 4 tildes (this symbol - ~ ) after your post. Or refrain from posting. 203.14.180.100 00:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

i wonder if it's correct to call it "absorbed" powers, because the original person who possessed the power does not "lose" the ability. i.e. the power does not get taken away from the original person and put in Peter's body. Although i do think Peter in the episodes called it himself. Z3u2 04:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

so did Mohindur, he has the list and thats what it says Peter has - Red 4/2

ok who ever put in the chart thanks, but chande the eposieds peter's used the eposiod change it to eposiod aborbed ok also you forgot about hiro, make his note Pter's only as used time frezze ok.- red 4/3

Where is the chart? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 13:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

At the bottom of peter's page- Red 4/3

A chart like this

Peter’s Absorbed Powers Absorbed #- 5 Power-Telepathy Power absorbed from-Matt Parkman Absorbed in-Fallout Notes-When Peter and Matt are by each other using Telepathy they both experience an overload

Thanks for coreecting the chart but it has been confirmed that Peter Know has all of Sylar's abilities- RED 4/10

Why does some keep changing the chart?The other one works better with the article -cade skywalker 4/11

Shouldn't peters first use of Pyrokinesis be against Sylar in 5 years gone. Not the graphic novel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.150.100.151 (talk • contribs) 11:07, May 15, 2007

Alliteration Again?

Okay. So, this is an issue again. First, I would like to direct you toward the archives. Please review that before commenting here. After all, save a brief summary, which I am about to give, there would be no point in wasting time re-stating the same (counter)arugments.

Previously, for some period of time, the alliteration issue was dropped. Presumably, the discussion in the archives contributed to this cessation of alliterative additions. Reasons I see as being listed for not including the alliteration note include: (1) It's not that noteworthy. Peter is only one character in the whole show with alliteration. He's not the primary main character, nor do the syllables of his name match in count. This is barely related to the comic book alliteration phenomenon. (2) An entire list of comic book characters that are listed on the alliteration page do not have similar notes in their articles. Why should Peter be any different? (3) How does that really contribute to the article? (4) Avoid Trivia sections. Valaqil 13:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC) "Peter is only one character in the whole show with alliteration" Arn't you forgeting Syler/Gabriel Gray the other "mythic super power in the show" both of their names are alliterative. Since when do syllable counts need to match anyway? Lex Luther is aliterative and the sylable count does not match. Naming Alliteration is pretty rare on tv and only the two "mythic super powers" of the show have this trait, can you really say that isnt relavent?Bushido Brown 07:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for it. But the issue is sourcing it. It could be added to a section between Peter and Gabriel, as the two of them share a lot in common and are opposites etc, we've even now got quotes from HRG in the show saying (paraphase here) "Peter is the only one that can stop Sylar". I'ld rather see this kind of stuff here then what we currently have, which is a giant plot summary. (Rekija 05:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC))

Corrections

Can some one fix Peter's page, his power is an emithy power asorbtion not emithy power mimicercy, and can they fix the chart (see chart box above) thanks- RED 4/5 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.89.117 (talk) 03:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

Techinically, It's both, as he had one at the beginning, and learned to use another instead. Blkmasta

On the chart it states next to regeneration that Peter regenerated when Claire removed the glass and allowed him to. In fact, the only reason he regenerated at all was because Claire was near him. If Claire was not there, no regeration. Falling on the car portion of ep14 supports this. Peter needs to be conscious in order to activate powers if the power source is not nearby. grebo1029

No, Peter does not need to be conscious in order to regenerate. Claire was unconscious (i.e. dead) after the branch penetrated her brain, and she healed when the branch was removed. Peter absorbed her power, so when Claire pulled the glass out, he healed--not because Claire was nearby. Besides, Claire was nowhere near Peter when he fell on the car. Peter imagined Claire, allowing him to recall her powers. Arwen undomiel 23:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

-i agree with grebo1029, peter can use those powers if he recalls that person but how could he be thinking about claire if he is braindead(shard of glass on his brain) ---b00m —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.167 (talk • contribs) 05:17, April 30, 2007

So far Peter's shown the same limitation as Claire when it comes to things lodged in their brains. We don't have any way to confirm if Peter would have or have not come back if someone else had dislodged the glass. (Rekija 05:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC))

The description of Peter's power's wrong. An Empath is a person who is able to read emotions, I can see this may work otherwise with someone who has a power, but shouldn't Peter's power be described a bit more like that he senses them trough their emotions, because he also recalls them by remembering how the person of whom the power orginially was made him feel? FMN92 00:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Too much information

There is waaaaay too much information on this page. It doesn't talk about Peter, it talks about the entire show. It describes every single little detail about what Peter did in the series. An article about a character should talk about the character, period. Currently, it's more like a compiled version of the Heroes Episode Guide. If I want to read about a character's biography, I shouldn't feel like I'm reading a story. Opinions? -- Lyverbe 20:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. This article, just like all the other Heroes articles, talks about what the character does in the story and his journey in the story. Of course it's gonna be long, he's a main character. By contrast, Simone's article isn't long because her part of the story ended when she died (she has a past, no future). It might read like a story because Heroes is presented like a comic book. Perhaps some better condensing of the infomation would help to solve this and to make it more encyclopedic. dposse 17:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the original poster. His biography should be a concise and brief description of him and his history. A step by step what he did in the series is just a waste of Bytes since these should be in the episode summaries already.Jacobshaven3 08:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with the original poster. There are only 18 episodes aired now. So of course, the article would contain more details. And when there are 36 episodes, I doubt very much that the article will be twice as long. I bet that it will be about the same length. It would be nice if we can find a biography of Peter Petrelli. But we simply don't know about his childhood, eh? He is a TV character, not a real person. Of course the article would revolve the events that we see on TV. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 11:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

"In "Homecoming", Nathan destroys the missing painting created by Isaac Mendez, which depicts a dead Peter. He intends to stop Peter from going to the homecoming game and getting killed. However, Simone shows Peter a photograph of the painting and has taken the liberty of tracking the school down for him. Peter goes to the high school in Odessa, Texas and meets Claire Bennet. Sylar soon shows up to kill Claire, and Peter tries to hold him off while Claire escapes. During their battle, Peter tackles Sylar and the pair fall off the roof of Union Wells High." **** What have you learned about Peter here? *nothing* It's a moment in the episode of Homecoming and nothing more. If I'd be a new fan of Heroes and wanted to learn about Peter, I'd hate to be stuck reading all this (and much more to come) just to know who he is, which ought to be the purpose of a Wikipedia article. I'd say 75% of this article has irrelevant information. My life doesn't depend on any article, so I won't discuss very long about this, but I feel it's not right and wonder if I'm alone thinking this. -- Lyverbe 16:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Some better condensing of the infomation would help to solve this and to make it more encyclopedic. However, what you are suggesting would make this article into just skin and bones. If you want to condense this article, ok, but let's not go overboard here. Also, wikipedia articles are supposed to be for everyone, not just a "new fan" to something. dposse 22:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I've made the change from the story of the whole friggin' show to a biography of Peter Petrelli. One change you might not notice due to the huge change and may need to be discussed is regarding the vision in which Peter sees himself "blowing up". I made the change from "he begins to yell out and explode" to "he begins to yell out and sees an explosion". Nothing proves he's really the one exploding. -- Lyverbe 13:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand that you tried, but you practically gutted this article. We need summarization, not just deletion. We need to better summarize the infomation that we have here, just like we did with the episode articles. It may take some time, but it will be a hell of alot better then simply deleting half the article. dposse 15:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

wtf... Thanks for DISCUSSING before bluntly doing a revert... Anyway. Enjoy updating the stupid article after each damn episode. -- Lyverbe 16:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

So, you're just gonna give up? Didn't you read a word i just wrote? I'm agreeing with you that there is too much infomation here. I'm just disagreeing with your method of fixing the problem. dposse 17:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm giving up. Aggressively "destroying" the changes I've made without even discussing them isn't encouraging. I got irritated by the revert. I wrote "Please discuss in talk page before bluntly do a revert or mass corrections" and you completely ignored it with "discuss it on the talk page". Now, what if I ignore your request like you ignored mine and make a revert of what you did? yep, a childish revert war. Anyway, I can't clenup the article because I have no clue how to summarize something without doing any deleting. There is NO need to 'summarize' every single little events of the show. Read the bio of Beverly Crusher, Janeway or Jack O'Neill; THIS is what a character article should be. Short and sweet, straight to the point. These articles don't have 10 pages of useless junk. My part was done and rejected, life goes on. -- Lyverbe 19:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

What is this? You're having a go at dposse for "destroying" your "edits", but you're defending your own method of raping and gutting the article as the correct thing to do? Here's a link that might be helpful - Hypocrisy. 203.14.180.98 22:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

And who the schmuck are you? I waited two weeks for opinions before making any changes; dposse deleted those changes immediately. I politely asked for discussion before a revert; dposse completely ignored it with is own "Duh, screw you, I'll revert and NOW we'll discuss"... and I'm the bad guy?! Anyway, I came here to confirm that the description of Heroes Peter has indeed got bigger after each episode and find the article simply ridiculous. Gimme a call when you get a static address you can't hide behind. -- Lyverbe 17:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

This artile still needs a lot more work. We don't need list what Peter did every episode, we don't need to note everytime he uses his powers. This should be about what he's like, not what he does. (Rekija 03:59, 24 May 2007 (UTC))

I disagree. The purpose of this article is to describe what Peter is like, but it does need to describe his actions as well. Peter's actions in every episode are important not only to the development of his character, but to that of the other characters as well. For example, you couldn't leave out the fact that Peter once cared for Charles Deveaux even though it might seem like a minor detail--his actions affected Charles, Angela, Simone, and other characters in a ripple affect. However, I agree we don't need to mention every detail, such as what Peter ate for lunch while in the hospital. Arwen undomiel 04:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Arwen undomiel. A page for someone like Jack O'Neill can be small like that because Stargate SG-1 isn't a continuing storyline. Nearly half the episodes are filler, and even a fraction of that has character development. Heroes is a continuing show where a lot of important stuff happens in every episode. Ophois 04:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree important things happen in pretty much every episode...but that doesn't mean we need to recite every episode. Let's take this paragraph

Peter goes to Nathan's house, hoping that his brother can help convince Linderman to give up the painting. When he gets there, he finds Nathan, their mother, and Nathan's family attending a brunch with a newspaper reporter. Peter joins them and is surprised when the reporter implies that Nathan may have cheated on his wife, Heidi, with a blonde in Las Vegas. Peter then claims Nathan was arranging for a private clinic to treat Peter's mental illness. That night, Nathan talks with Peter about what happened in Vegas. Peter is unhappy Nathan cheated on Heidi, but Nathan tries to explain himself. Before he leaves, Nathan says he was temporarily kidnapped, and warns Peter that people will want to lock them up if they realize the two of them have powers. Peter is skeptical of Nathan's story.

This is 136 words and what do we know about Peter? He doesn't like that his brother cheats, he's skeptical of his brothers stories and that Nathan spins a story about Peter suffering a mental illness so help his own polictial carrier. This could be summed in less then 50, and we could bunch it with other examples of of their relationship. At the moment it sounds like this page is just telling us the story of Peter, where it should be focusing on what we learn about Peter in the story.

If you want to include "what" happens to Peter, think about if the "when", "where" or "how" these events occured. This isn't meant to replace watching the show.

In "Homecoming", Nathan destroys the missing painting created by Isaac Mendez, which depicts a dead Peter. He intends to stop Peter from going to the homecoming game and getting killed. However, Simone shows Peter a photograph of the painting and has helpfully tracked the school down for him.

This could all go for example. Nathan destroying the painting could fit on his own page, but it's not important to Peter's character. There tons of these that could get cut out to trim things down. But either way the vast majority should be rewritten. We're trying to describe and explain something, not retell a story. (Rekija 06:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC))

[Reseting indent] Both of those paragraphs are important, though I agree that the first paragraph could be reworded a bit. The second paragraph is important to Peter's character, however--it shows some of the tension between Peter and Nathan and describes how Peter saw the painting and discovered Claire's school. dposse's comment further up the page is appropriate here too: "Some better condensing of the infomation would help to solve this and to make it more encyclopedic. However, what you are suggesting would make this article into just skin and bones. If you want to condense this article [a little], ok, but let's not go overboard here.Arwen undomiel 17:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

How is finding Claries school important to Peter article though? As suggusted we can talk about Peter and Nathan's relationship there is a lot of interesting information coming from it. What I'm saying isn't to remove everything, simply remove whats plot, and put in more information about Peter. Currently if I was to make seperate sections about Peter's relationship with other people (which is fitting given he's an empath) a lot of it could be said to have been repeated in his history, so to do one we have to cut back on the other. But in terms of Peter arriving at the school, the important details are: Hiro traveled back at time to warn Peter to save the cheerleader, and then that Peter's fight with Syler and picking up TK, Healing and then being arrested. Everything in between while entertaining to watch, doesn't need to be written in the characters history. (Rekija 22:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC))

The reason why Peter's section is so long is because he is in almost every episode in Heroes and he always does stuff. 220.244.208.204 12:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

User RED/RedSpiderman

I know this isn't related to the main page but: Can someone PLEASE teach him how to properly sign and edit his posts please? He doesn't even have a talk page to bring this up because he DOES NOT SIGN HIS POSTS. And I've seen several people, myself included, instruct him directly on how to do it. All he's done is link his screen name to the wiki page for the colour red. I'm seriously getting narked off with having to pick through the messes he makes in order to comprehend the talk page. 203.14.180.98 22:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

RED

OK I now have a screen name, ok everyone it's RREDD13 so you can get of my back ok- RREDD13 00:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

what do you mean fixing my mistakes made its a talk page- RREDD13 00:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know where to put this, but there're a lot of spelling errors in the article. And sorry, I have no idea how to properly sign a post. Kirby17 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirby17 (talk • contribs) 09:41, May 8, 2007

Just Use the signature button in the toolbar (next to the crossed out W) or type --~~~~ As for the spelling mistakes, correct the article, but please don't edit other people's contributions on the Talk pages. --GargoyleMT 18:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Is Peter actually the bomb?

In the online graphic novel no. 30, String Theory, Hiro from the future said Sylar exploded after stealing Teds power, but as this future could be some sort of alternate timeline, it's not definite, but it's possible. Blkmasta 18.22 GMT 24/04/07

That was the history from Future Hiro's timeline, one where Peter was never told to save the cheerleader. Future Hiro messed up though, instead of stopping the explosion, he just changed who exploded. 192.203.136.254 16:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

We don't know that he will be the bomb. All we know is that he dreamed his was the bomb. For that matter, both Isaac and Simone were in his dream and they are both dead. --Kmsiever 18:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I'm not convinced that a person explodes. If a person explodes, I'm confused as to whether it is Peter or not. I have also not ruled out a person exploding a device. I invite discussion.--Raymm 05:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Sylar in 0.7%

When we first see Peter fighting Sylar, Peter turns invisible and Sylar says "cool trick, can't wait to use it" does this mean Sylar gets all of Peter's asorbed abilities or was he bluffing to make Peter scared?- RREDD13 22:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

If Sylar killed Peter, he would be able to get all of Peter's powers, including invisibility. It was not a bluff, though the statement might have been meant to be intimidating. Arwen undomiel 00:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

This is speculation. We don't even know how Sylar aquires others powers, killing might not be necessary just something Sylar does. We don't know. Whereas, we do know that Peter can aquire "secondary" powers from Sylar as he's shown using TK quite often. (Of course the argument could be made that he aquired the TK from someone else and simply thinks he got it from Sylar because that's the person he remembers using it.) All of which is speculation. Sylar has never had the opportunity to aquire more than one power nor do we know if Peter aquires others powers in a way that's exploitable by Sylar. Padillah 16:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I seriously doubt that. Sylar just met Peter, and didn't have much time to examine him. He was suprised by Peter's regeneration. I think Sylar expected to get Peter's powers without really knowing their limits, like having to be exposed to the other "hero". I doubt he could turn invisible after killing Peter Petrelli unless he runs into Claude sometime. Kimera757 03:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I think Sylar could use invisibility if he killed Peter. True, we don't know how Sylar aquires his powers, but he does. If Sylar simply took all Peter's powers, not knowing Peter had invisibility, it is possible Sylar would not discover that power until he met Claude. However, even if Sylar didn't know it, he would have the capability to become invisible. Sylar did know Peter could become invisible however, so it is extremely likely he would quickly learn to use it. Arwen undomiel 21:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Sylar needs to kill to examine the persons brain and "acquire" their powers. Peter uses empathy to use other peoples powers. If Sylar killed Peter, since Peter needs to think of the people to bring out the capabilities, he would still have all the capabilities implanted onto his brain but possibly not active, so it's unpredictable if Sylar would gain extra powers or not. Though I wonder if Peter would die if Sylar killed him, even removing a chunk of brain... if Peters skull was next to the wound, would it not still seal up? Jacobshaven3 17:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It is not conclusive that Sylar needs to kill to aquire powers. It may simply be that he doesn't care enough not to kill, so he just kills them. The actual machanics of his aquireing others powers is not clear. That he has to examine the others brain to determine how the power works suggests that he would need to open his brain and "fix" it in order to gain the others power. This has never shown to be the case. Padillah 17:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Interviews with Bryan Fuller have stated he does need to kill (they have previously been included, should be in the archives), and he eats the brains to acquire it, although this hasn't been shown on screen to prevent fears of it being compared with zombies et al. Jacobshaven3 18:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Can you provide a reference to Bryan Fuller have stated he does need to kill, please? --Raymm 05:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Claire's uncle

If this needs to be in this article it needs to be integrated better. Currently it's just dropped at the end of a episode synopsis. There should be lead in or relevancy with the paragraph topic. Maybe fold it into the synopsis of ".07%" which is when he learns of the fact. It should not just be dropped at the end of an unrelated paragraph. Padillah 17:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The information needs to be in the article, although I'll agree that it is somewhat tacked on right now. The whole article could use a reorganization, as right now it is primarily built around the show's storyline. It should be more biographical in nature. Thoughts? --Ckatz^chat_spy 17:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

One thing I think needs to go are the episode refferences. That prohibits any kind of natural flow. I know we have to maintain an air of fictionalism. Can make footnotes that link to the episode synopsys page(s)? I'm new to wiki so I'm not real sure how to go about this. I think the current work is nice, I'm going to take a look at some of the comic character bios and see if they can help with a bit of organisation. Padillah 17:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Natural flow? It's not a novel. --Kmsiever 21:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No, it is not a novel, but the biography should flow. For instance, in the episode Six Months Ago, we discover much more information about the characters' backgrounds. Most of this information belongs at the top of the article, not in the middle. It is confusing to describe events in the present, then what happened six months before, then back to the present; events should be in chronological order. Arwen undomiel 22:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. I think we need to get rid of the episode titles and get a more linear timline going. I think Wolverine (comics) is a great example, his history is strewn about over 25 different books in three or four different timelines but it's presented from begining to end in his "bio".

As far as mentioning Claire as his niece... I don't care as long as it fits. It's mentioned in the infobox so it's covered as far as I'm concerned. This isn't important to his character (at least, not yet anyway), it's important to Nathan, but not Peter. It's so unimportant they never show the reveal in the show, it's understood by his talks with Nathan. I say ditch it until it becomes more relevant to Peter's character. Padillah 11:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Ditching the Episode names.

What consensus can we reach regarding ditching the episode names? I say we present the bio as a bio and cite the episodes as references. This is more in line with many other articles on TV characters (see William Adama, Laura Roslin, and Gregory House). However the FA on Andrew Van De Kamp has references to episodes within the article it's done in a different fassion than we have here. What say ye? Padillah 11:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

If you're ditching the episode names, then you need to ensure it still reads like the bio of a fictional TV character and not like the bio of a real person. --Kmsiever 13:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

For that, you could just have a tag at the top reserved for fictional characters 220.244.208.204 12:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

More of Peter's Powers

According to Heroes Wiki:

"Writer Joe Pokaski confirmed in the March 2007 Wizard World Q&A session (with Tim Kring present), that only being in the presence of Sylar gives Peter all of his powers. (Whether they are actually used or not). This means that as of the meeting between Sylar and Peter in (Parasite), Peter now can be confirmed to have absorbed these additional powers: (even though he may not be aware he now has them)

       Cryokinesis (from Sylar in Homecoming) 
       Enhanced hearing (from Sylar in Parasite) 
       Enhanced memory (from Sylar in Homecoming) 
       Intuitive aptitude (from Sylar in Homecoming) 
       [Molecular Manipulation] (from Sylar in Parasite) 
       [Memory removal] (from the Haitian in Unexpected) 
       Persuasion (from Eden in Collision) "

Here is the link thats proof, infact, I believe it is the first question asked.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/video_display.shtml#mea=83532

If this is so, shouldn't we add these in some sort of other list then the list of powers Peter has demenstrated? They have been confirmed by Heroes/NBC officials. Seros 14:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

–then did he also absorbed all of Sylars power before "the company" drained them like freezing(episode2, Sylars victim is frozen). so is it confirmed that Peter's booming vice is Edens power??? ---b00m —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.167 (talk • contribs) 15:09, April 29, 2007

They never drained any of his abilities. He just exibits Telekinesis most of the time. But no, it isn't confirmed that the booming voice was Eden's power (though I personally believe it to be). I am merely stating that Peter has all of the above abilites because he was in the presence of the handlers of said powers. It is confirmed he gets these powers from there presense by that video I posted above. 66.191.170.129 22:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

uhmmm... they drained his powers. it was the scene when mr bennet insisted that Sylar will be kept alive, before that the man said that they have drained all of his powers except for TK ---b00m —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.167 (talk • contribs) 05:17, April 30, 2007

They said they can only find the genetics for telekinesis, but nothing about draining powers. Jacobshaven3 10:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

And it has been stated too many times to count: the booming voice both Peter and Sylar have used was for dramatic effect (coolness factor). It does not represent a use of Edens abilities. Or course all of this begs the question: How does Peter find these abilities if he doesn't realise he has them? Padillah 13:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe his body needs to be around the power being used, since Sylar has only used Telekinesis around Peter, Peter's body only instinctively uses telekinesis, even if its capable of the other abilities? Jacobshaven3 13:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Nope, that was the hangup but now it's discovered to be overcome. He's pointedly used both TK and invisibility WAY out of range of either "host". There is a little support for Peter's use of the Eden voice but the producer or director (or both) hasve said that's not acctually what it was. If he can realise that "power of suggestion" he could turn invisible and be someones conscience, telling them right from wrong, and the person would be helpless to do anything. I'm thinking Sylar would justify being that invasive and totalitarian. Padillah 16:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

What I meant was, other than natural abilities (like the healing), Peter has only been able to use an ability he's been around being used. Even though he's been around Sylar, Sylar has only used TK around him, and therefore Peter might not know he has the other powers to use. Peter hasn't been suddenly able to tell peoples problems has he? Even though he isn't limited to being near people, his body might need to sense the power in action in order to use it correctly. Like the difference between having the potential to use an ability and knowing how to put it in practice. Though all of this is OR anyhow. Jacobshaven3 09:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe someone should ask this question to the producer or the director next time: From how many meters can Peter absorb an ability. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 17:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

- i really think they did drain his powers, in the episode GODSEND, the man said to Mr Bennet "other than telekinesis, were drawing him blank". ---b00m —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.167 (talk • contribs) 06:25, May 1, 2007

I'm pretty sure that by "drawing him blank" Hank meant that they couldn't detect any other powers from SylarThe dead don 22:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't have that episode but I thought I remembered him saying "other than TK we're drawing a blank" In other words they can't identify any other powers than TK (from his DNA). Padillah 13:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Did you not watch the new Heroes because Sylar used cryokinesis when fighting against Peter and also Draining is getting rid of and in company man Bennett says "there's no way to get rid of it and the only way was to kill you" he told Ted and Peter doesn't need to asorbed shown powers because Claire and Issac never used there power at fisrt around Peter- RREDD13 02:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, I try not to be a stickler for grammer but COME ON!! Use a period every once in a while, please.

There's only the very smallest evidence that Sylar was using cryokinesis in "Five Years Gone". I only give it a nod because Kreig said he did and we'll see more next episode so...

In any case, it's been unequivocally stated by Mohinder Suresh that there is no way to drain or defeat the powers medically. I understand this was a future episode but since he is stating a medical fact, not the results of something, I think it can hold true regardless of the timeline.

I'm not saying Peter wouldn't absorb the powers, I'm saying how would he know? It's hard to miss TK or healing given the exposure he's had, but how could he possibly know he has Eden's power if he doesn't know Eden had a power? I suppose he could just keep thinking of every person he's ever met until he hit on a power but that seems a long way to go. Padillah 12:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems that Peter can use powers he didn't know he had when placed in a defensive situation (perhaps instinctively) so maybe he doesn't need to know he has them to use them. Subconsciously he's aware of them on some level. 63.145.151.2 19:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

That sounds right... He didn't know he had telekenesis until he broke Claude's stick and then it took him a second to remember that Sylar was who he got it from. Jshatch 05:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

If peter didn't get all of sylars powers he would only have gained the power to kill people and take their power, he mimics the TK so he must have the rest. When sylar steals a power shouldn't we assume that if peter then meets him again he will gain that power? When he is training with Claude he doesn't use the TK until its out of instinct. It is my opinion that he has the powers but is yet to need to use them. Also could you freeze something with TK? It could also be assumed that he only takes the power when he feels emotion towards them, he had to think about clair when he wanted to heal etc. so that would mean until he knows sylar has the other powers he won't be able to realize that he can use them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.35.148 (talk • contribs) 05:44, May 22, 2007

You don't "gain the power to kill someone". Anyway, Sylar didn't take Eden's power of coersion/persuasion because she was able to kill herself before he was able to kill her and thus take her power. FMN92 00:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Future Powers

Peter's fight with Sylar appears to exhibit Cryokenesis vs. Pyrokenesis (at least to me)... Can we get a consensus on this? Or has there been confirmation from another source? Laxrulz777 06:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I have to also agree that in the end of the latest episode Peter exhibits the use of pyrokenetics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.124.139.205 (talk) 06:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Therefore, you should add Meredith Gordon to the list of peoples... 211.30.223.128 07:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, is there ANY evidence for saying that Peter has D.L.s powers other than Sylar pulled him through the door? I think Occam's razor ought to apply on this one... otherwise we have to assume that Peter's powers either A) acted involuntarily or B) he actually WANTED to go through the door... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.167.228.68 (talk • contribs) 06:31, May 1, 2007 (UTC)

Sylar would have had to pull him through the door. PureSoldier 17:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Well he has all of Sylar power now so he does have the power to phase- RREDD13 02:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

The current article is WRONG. It's VERY clear that Sylar is the one who phased him, as Peter specifically says, "My brother didn't have the power to phase through walls". Just because Peter has the power doesn't mean he used it at that moment, it makes no sense. I'm correcting this mistake, kthx. Perfect Chaos Zero 07:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Look at the screen cap for Five Years Gone, it looks like Radiation, not pyrokinesis. The only instance of pyrokinesis we have seen is Meredith Gordon using her powers, and there was no "light" in the same way radiation has, and that light is visible eminating from Peters hands. It seems a simple case of Radiation, an ability we already know he has. Jacobshaven3 09:48, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

If they'd taken that screen cap about half a second later you'd have clearly seen FLAMES jumping up from Peter's hands... if you've got it on DVR go back and watch... I think it's pretty clearly fire and not radiation (it doesn't look like ANYTHING that Ted's ever done) 74.167.228.68 11:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

At the end of Heroes graphic novel 031, which also shows this alternate future, Peter adquires Niki's super strength to free her. What do you think about incluiding this power on the list? 201.79.44.214 13:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

That was radition because his hands were glowing and holes were being made and growing, all he did was use readition to weaken the door to extint of Peter is able to move it - RREDD13 02:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Per the discussion on Talk:Sylar, I have come to the conclusion that is was, in fact pyrokinesis that Peter used in the fight with Sylar. He used Sprague's radiation to melt the locks on Niki/Jessica's cell door. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 03:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

He can read the future in dreams, like her mother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.179.109.6 (talk • contribs) 07:53, May 4, 2007

Waht- RREDD13 02:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Mama Petrelli can't dream the future, not according to the spoiler that she has (Don't read if you don't want it to be spoiled) a power "it's very similar to a power possessed by another hero, only in her case, it takes a lot less effort to get from Point A to Point B." http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx About the power names: Meredith's power is listed as Pyrokinesis, and in Walls part 2 he gets an electrical power. Wouldn't it be better if both powers had similar name? Either Pyrokinesis and Electrokinesis or Fire Manipulation and Electrical Manipulation? One last thing, in Walls part 2, it's not possible that Peter used super-strenght to open do door, since Niki couldn't open it herself, unless you say he melted the door first an dthem opened it. If you look closely, you'll see that in Walls part 2, the power he uses looks much more like Pyrokinesis than Induced Radiactivity. 201.37.51.28 20:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

In the new Entertainment Weekly cover, Peter is shown generating flames from his hand. So I think it's safe to assume that the future power was pyrokinesis and not radiation. Here's the cover: (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036782_20037403_20037407,00.html) 151.199.195.52 17:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Umm, no. Peter with burning hands doesn't mean Peter must use that power in that specific scene. --Pentasyllabic 18:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as that cover was released a week or two after the episode in which he is shown with a similar power, I'd say that it does mean that he was using pyrokinesis. 151.199.195.52 18:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Umm, no. You're affirming the consequent. --Pentasyllabic 18:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I see what you're saying. The covers are supposed to be hints and stuff, so it at least shows that he will most likely get her power, though. 151.199.195.52 18:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Why were Peter's future powers removed from the list? Ophois 13:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The edit summary suggests this discussion on the Sylar page: Talk:Sylar#Cryokinesis in "Five Years Gone". Or, actually, a couple of the other talk sections on that page. --GargoyleMT 20:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, but I think that the article should at least mention that he had more powers in the future. Ophois 23:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't really know but I think the Heroes writers were intending the future Sylar vs. Petrelli battle to be a battle of opposites (Sylar definitely has Ice so Peter should have fire) but this is really the fault of the SFX artists making the FX for Ted's power look too much like a really big fire or something 220.244.208.204 12:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Peter's "Visions"

Have his visions actually proved to be clairvoyant? Has anything actually been seen in his visions and then come true? I know he had a dream of flying but that may have been his body's response to being near Nathan for so long. The only other dream he's had was of being the bomb and we don't know if that's truely clairvoyant or paranoia of not being able to control his powers. Of course that doesn't explain the others in his dream nor the prominence of Claude in his dream. Hmm... Padillah 13:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I think they may be clairvoyant visions, because some characters have been featured in the visions that he has not met (DL, Niki/Jessica, Micah). Although, we can't say for sure until it is said in the show or by the producers. Bio 17:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Some of the characters in his vision of the New York explosion are now dead (Isaac Mendez, Simone Deveaux), though they were alive at the time of the vision itself. Unless they are are brought back to life or multiple shapeshifters are involved, that seems to indicate the visions are not literal. So for the moment, "clairvoyant" doesn't seem the right word to use. Noclevername 15:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

It's quite possible Peter didn't start having dream-visions until after he started carring for Charles Deveaux. Vol 2 doesn't necessarily take place after Vol 1 (indeed, Hiro being way in the past is a strong point). The cabal of paranormals of the previous generation could include Dallas and/or Angella Petrelli, Kaito Nakamura, Linderman, Jessica/Nikki's father, and others. The most interesting thing they have in common is lots of money and power. A precog who visually sees flashes of the future (unlike Issaic, who paints the future) would be of great value in obtaining wealth (stock market rises and crashes, the price of gold and oil, etc.). IF that was the gift Charles had, exposure to him might have given Peter the ability leading to him starting to seeing flashes of the future (like his first flight). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jclinard (talk • contribs) 03:51, May 24, 2007

That's actually a fantastic point, the shared dream etc. If I remember correctly, u see Peter having his flight dream while sitting beside a sleeping Charles Deveaux as wellThe dead don 17:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hiro's Powers

The main-series timeline has not yet shown Peter to be able to use Hiro's powers. Only the Five Year's Gone timeline Peter was able to. Therefore, that entry on the list should be moved down, unless someone can prove that he's used it before. 68.81.104.194 20:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

In unexplained he freezestime to stop the tag from hitting him and also Clade is neagging him before to digg in his file cabinet and pull somthing out...Fly freeze time, paint me a pretty picture- RREDD13 02:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The time freeze wouldn't cause the tazer to fall down from loss of inertia. The tazer falling coincides with blocking via telekinesis, which he displayed earlier in the episode. –– Lid^(Talk) 14:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

In the graphic novel "Walls part 1", Peter states him and Hiro have to start up time again to move people, which must mean only Hiro (and Peter) can be affected by his time freezing power. Therefore Peter must have Hiro's power in order to speak to him when Future Hiro visits him. I'm not sure how close that reasoning borders on OR though, so I won't include it until a consensus is reached. Jacobshaven3 17:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Then Ando has Hiro's power as well 'cause one of the first times he uses his powers is to save the girl at the bus stop. Apparently Hiro can pull people out of the freeze at will. Padillah 17:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hiro has moved objects, including people, many times while time was stopped, on the show. I don't know why the graphic novel says otherwise. --Pentasyllabic 18:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The caption in "Walls" actually says they'd have to move "a lot of stiff time-frozen bodies" (the prisoners), which is consistent with Hiro's abilities. --Pentasyllabic 21:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for miswording, I meant that since he would have to move them as stiff bodies, he must not be able to allow them to leave time, which means for Peter to have spoken to him at the train, Peter has to have acquired his powers. Jacobshaven3 09:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

He got it in "Collision" when future hiro talks to him thats how he has i and for "unexpected" we all ready talked about this at top he frezzed time and used telekinesis to put the tazer downRREDD13 00:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

But the Walls comic happens only a year after the bomb, so the Hiro that visited Peter on the train would have had four more years to train his power, where he could have learned to pull someone else out of time. 192.203.136.254 13:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thats true, but in the past Peter has never had any difficulty controlling peoples powers once he's got them, the beginning might take a bit to transition, but after it he normally has full control. (Like painting instantly, et al) So in a year of knowing Hiro, I'd say he should ave gotten perfect practice, though that is a bit OR so I can see why it wouldn't get into the article. Jacobshaven3 14:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't change the Power chart for Hiro, PETER HAS HIRO'S POWER... OK-RREDD13 02:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The other assertion I'd like to make is that Peter has never (and there's no reason for us to believe otherwise) absorbed "half" of a power. If he's come in contact with Hiro, he has Hiro's power. If he has Hiro's power, he has ALL Hiro's powers. Just because he hasn't exhibited other manifestations doesn't mean he only absorbed half a power. Just because he's never cut someones head open doesn't mean he didn't absorb that part of Sylar's TK. Peter has never done anything to lead me to believe he would only absorb half a power. Padillah 12:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Speculation regarding Peter absorbing Sylars powers.

Can we please stop adding the blatant speculation regarding Peters ability to absorb Sylars powers or find a way to refer to it that does not speculate. I admit that, since Peter is shown to have absorbed Sylar's TK it is notworthy to mention that this is an aquired power and NOT Sylar's own. However this needs to be mentioned without the speculation of him absorbing any of Sylar's powers we have no noticed in the show (or online comic). Padillah 18:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

It's been confiremd he absorbed all of Sylar's powers, link to the NCB interview is somewhere above. 201.37.51.28 19:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Theres another interview where it's been said Peter only absorbed the telekinesis, thouh it's back during the hiatus so not sure on relevance. Jacobshaven3 07:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I also think it seems to matter that when Sylar was tested for abilities, they could only find the TK. Maybe that is why it is the only power Peter absorbed.--DisturbedPuppy 23:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Radiation Manipulation

The notes for Radiation Manipulation state "Led him to become the bomb that blew up New York City." However, this was only in an alternate future. A change to "May lead..." or "Led him to become ... New York City in an alternate future." would make the notes on this power more accurate. In addition, why is this page semi-protected, and why is there no protection tag. 66.109.248.114

New Powers

In the Hard Part, Peter begins absorbing Ted's power, so should this be listed as his current powers? Also, in Walls pt. 2, Peter absorbs a lightning power and a speed power. Should these be included in the alternate future section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.161.73.106 (talk • contribs) 22:43, May 8, 2007

Yes to the first question. As for the second one, if they're changing the future, does it impact the Peter we watch every Monday? The "alternate future" Peter could be handled the way various alternate reality versions of comic book heroes are covered - but do we know enough about him through that one episode? And are the graphic novels that could supplement the section even canon? (The most handy example is the death of papa Suresh, which happened differently in the graphic novel and on TV.) --GargoyleMT 16:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, seeing as Hiro and Peter were breaking out other superpowered people any list of Peter's powers is suspect. He now has any power they want to give him since he easily came into contact with "just shy of two hundered" people and their powers. He therefore has over two hundred powers waiting to be discovered. Padillah 17:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

To Gargoyle, the "traffic accident" was the only way the cab company could explain Suresh's death. As Mohinder said in the graphic novel "It wasn't an accident. It was one of them." As for the state of the taxi, we can only speculate. Likely, it was Sylar covering his tracks. In any case, the graphic novels are supposed to be canon. PureSoldier 19:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Absorbing Sylar's 'original' power, and prophetic dreams

Could it be possible that part of Peter's gaining control of his abilities came partly from Sylars understanding of how things work? And by the same token wouldn't that power allow him to tell Hiro when to go back to fix the timeline? Also, the dreams that he's had happened long before he absorbed Issac's power (he saw Nathan's car accident fiver years before) and when he saw himself explode, he wasn't painting. As far as I can tell, Peter's precog ability through Issac only works when he's in a trance, not sleeping. Perhaps it was his mother's ability? Wererat42 04:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

According to an interview (There are so many now I can't recall which one), Mrs. Petrelli's power is "similar to another Hero's, but it's easier to get from point A to B" or something like that. So I'm guessing she has a teleportation ability. Though if she had prophetic powers, it would make sense. Jacobshaven3 11:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

That's very possible, considering teleportation alone is a "Hero" ability. On Mohinder's map there was at least one person identified with the power of teleportation. Navex 01:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

sorry but i don't know the name, but the dying man who peter looks after must have the dreaming ability, i say this because: Peter has come in direct contact with him, he seems accepting of his death which makes me think he saw it coming, he isn't grieving and seems to be wise or understanding, like a prophet, in episode 23 while using the power "dying man"(sorry again) talks to him and knows he is there also because Peters mother is there talking to him i assume he must have once had a power which explains his connection to Linderman. Another reason for saying its not his original power is because so far in the series no one has had two powers. These dreams are a power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.35.148 (talk • contribs) 05:31, May 22, 2007

I'm sure we'll find more out about Charles Deveaux and whatever happened to Peter next season. There are Heroes discussion boards that might be a good place to toss around ideas. Wikipedia discourages the use of talk pages as forums. --GargoyleMT 12:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

We will have to watch Volume 2 Generations to learn more about Charles Deveaux and the other first generation heroes. But anyway, Sylar doasn't have the power to know how things work, he has the power of visual dissection. That's what helps him understand how to use powers but that's not his power. He says in Parasite when he's about to cut off Peter's head "I'd like to see how that works" which means that he doasn't know how things work he can just visually dissect it (Otherwise why would he state that). That's also what lead him to kill in the first place,was seeing what was "wrong" with Brian Davis by using his visual dissection which made him realize how he could gain more powers and become "special". Knight Whitefire 02:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Peter's time stop

On a Google search on the extent of Peter's powers I found a few well-made points about the taser incident in "Unexpected": There is a distinctive electrical flicker on the taser guns from the moment they are fired, and this is visible when the electrodes strike Claude. Yet it's not there when (I say, and others hotly deny) Peter stops time. There is movement, but the only thing moving is Claude, and Peter's in direct contact with him, which is the way Hiro has been able to teleport Ando around. Bennet, who is trained and highly competent, does not move or react at all for ten seconds while Peter stops the electrodes, yet he does so immediately afterwards, and from his gestures he seems surprised. Not to mention the click of the taser which slows to a stop. In fact, the tailing coils are not affected by gravity during the time they just hang there. Then there are the very, very similar special effects for Hiro's and Peter's time stop. And just to drive the point in further, the competent-seeming official Heroes website explicitly states in a caption that Peter Petrelli stopped time. --Kizor 05:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Methinks he has a pretty good point there. Jonnystheboss 12:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I will check this out when I get home tonight but the photo caption is pretty lucid and concrete. I will, however, fix the content to have correct links. Padillah 21:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Landslide episode

If Peter hasn't displayed Dale's super-hearing by the Landslide episode, then this power should be added to his list for this episode. Sylar spied on Claire, Peter, and Ted by using super-hearing, and I'm pretty sure that when Sylar talked out loud, Peter's mimicry of super-hearing kicked in, allowing him to detect Sylar's presence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.65.165.102 (talk) 18:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC).

Not necessarily. To me, it appeared that Sylar thought his plans, and Peter merely used telepathy to hear them. I highly doubt Sylar would have verbalized his plans--someone might overhear. Arwen undomiel 20:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The proper time for adding it to the article is after Peter unambiguously demonstrates its use. What you say makes sense, but it is only a theory until proven. --GargoyleMT 20:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Peter doesn't know what other powers Sylar has but he can use them, because Sylars power is to see how things work but uses telekinesis the most and peter knows he has this so he know that he has that power- RREDD13 23:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Peter can only use Sylar's "primary" power which is telekinisis (Although his first and original power that he didnt steal was visual dissection). Hank tells Noah Bennet in a earlier that Sylar only seems to exhibit telekinisis from the test they did on him while he was captured and incapacitated. Also remember Peter uses powers based upon remembering a person not remembering their power, so that means that in order for your assumptions to be true that he can use Sylar's other abiblities he would have already used them everytime he used Sylar's telekinisis(Thought of Sylar). Knight Whitefire 05:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It was implied by Tim Kring tonight in a live blog (http://blog.nbc.com/heroes/) that Peter does have Sylar's other powers, specifically hinting at the freezing ability. Also, Peter doesn't need to just think about the person. Accessing a power is based on necessity, too, as shown when Peter uses telekinesis against Claude without even thinking of Sylar. Ophois 06:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It never suggest at all that he recieved the powers from Sylar, in fact it says "Why can't Peter use the ice/time powers? Tim: There is nothing to suggest that he won't. It says ice/time powers and we all know Sylar has no time powers so really he could be talking about Sylar and Hiro or he could be talking about the person Sylar killed in order to recieve the ice power and Hiro. Knight Whitefire 22:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Comparison To Sylar

I think it is important that there be some note on the similarities and differences between Sylar and Peter. They have been noted by both Tim Kring outside of the show, and characters inside the show, and there is most definitely a symbolic value to the two (another fact confirmed by Kring). I posted a section to this effect in both entries and tried to do it with direct references from the show and other articles. However, some of it is admitedly original research. I am trying to re-edit it and compile a series of references to make it fit in more properly with the series, and have less speculation. However, I am still in my opinion a rather amatuer user, and if anybody thinks they can perform this task better I would be much obliged. My primary concern is the point that this is an important aspect of both characters that deserves some level of notice.epocalypse 07:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

ATTENTION!

Why didn't Peter just fly up into the sky on his own before he "went off"? He could do it since he's absorbed Nathan's power. That way no one would die. Nathan didn't have to fly him up there. HipHopLives 00:29, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that controlling the radiation so he didn't explode at that exact moment was using all of Peter's energy and concentration. Before Nathan lifts him, Peter says, "I took his power, Nathan. I can't control it. I can't do anything." I think this statement implies that Peter could not prevent the explosion, nor could he do anything else, including using another power--if he tried to use a power, he would probably lose control and explode then. Someone else was required to fly with him. Arwen undomiel 00:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Who said Nathan died its not confermd, for all we know when nathen was flying with peter he could have let go of him and shoot of to avoid the explosion- RREDD13 03:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Please remember that this talk page is not a forum for discussion of the televison show. CaveatLector^Talk 14:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Electric Manipulation

Peter Petrelli, in the alternative time-skip DID NOT have electric manipulation. If people on here think he turned off the TV set in the bar with it, that was telekinesis... Other than that there was not a single part in "Five Years Gone" where he used this "power". Chozen1 11:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

It's in the comics. Ophois 17:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

That may be, but the electric manipulation was not shown in the actual television episode Five Years Gone. Therefore I removed the reference to it in the paragraph that talks about the events of that particular episode. I would recommend that items found only in the comic book should be clearly labelled as such in the article, if they are even included at all. Dugwiki 18:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

One other note. If information from the comic books is included in the article, please remember to provide a proper reference for them. In fact, right now the article only has one listed reference, and that's just "The Fix". Dugwiki 19:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

They are canon, so it's probable that we'll see more references from the comics showing up here - especially if they continue over the summer as intended. ZZ 19:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please put a reference for electric manipulation on the page? I don't have time right now, though if it hasn't been put up later, I'll try to. Ophois 19:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of whether or not the comics are "canon", the passage you reverted says that his electric manipulation was revealed in that television episode. It wasn't. Dugwiki 20:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree - but it wasn't my edit. I was just remarking on the issue, since it'll come up again. Since there aren't episodes over the summer, but there will be comics, there shouldn't be any further confusion between the two, which means fewer problems to fix on an already edit-heavy article. ZZ 02:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

So just say it was in the comic and stop talking about it. Knight Whitefire 22:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Had you read the article before you posted your sarcastic remark, you'd have noticed that I did make the change you requested already. Dugwiki 22:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Found the specific issue, Walls part 2, where Peter mimics a super-prisoner's "lightning attacks". There seems to be no mention of electrical manipulation other than these lightning attacks. I modified the paragraph accordingly and added the reference. Dugwiki 22:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Micah, D.L. and Molly?

I have to wonder if Peter actually came close enough in contact with Micah, D.L. and Molly to absorb their powers? Of course it shouldn't be added to the article until furthur clarified, but what does Wikipedia think? What is the range on Peter's empathy? Let me know what you guys think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.145.69.136 (talk • contribs) 16:13, May 23, 2007

Obviously at this point it's pure speculation. But to date in the television series I think the furthest he's been from someone he's mimicked was in the episode where he first met the invisible man Claude. In that episode he spotted Claude from across a few tables at a restaurant, probably about 20 feet or so, indicating that he was absorbing Claude's ability.

Another item that isn't clear is whether or not he requires line of sight to copy someone. To date there have been no physical intervening barriers between him and the person he copied. So it's not immediately obvious if he could copy someone on the other side of a wall, for example.

As far as whether or not he copied Molly's or Micah's power, it's hard to tell. The closest he ever came to either of them was at the very end of the season finale when they were standing by the building fairly far away (100 feet? 200?) He never directly interacted with them and never came within 20 feet or so of either. So if he did absorb either or both of their powers from that distance, we won't know about it until at least next season. Dugwiki 21:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Of course, I figured as much. Peter is defiantly one of the more interesting charecters on the show, his power is complex and quite unique. Thanks for the help Dugwiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unchain (talk • contribs) 17:24, May 24, 2007

His Survival

Although I'm not sure since in Five Years Gone, he exploded and survived, it's possible that he survived How To Stop An Exploding Man. However, that's just a guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.123.169.110 (talk • contribs) 21:45, May 23, 2007

He definitely survived, but until it's shown in the comics or show that he is still alive, it counts as speculation. Ophois 02:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing that they'll probably clarify it one way or another in Season 2. ZZ 02:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Permanent Death

I'm not sure on the whole matter since I've seen the show only once so please be reasonable if I (and will probably) do mistakes.

1. Claire "died" when the branch pierced her skull and brain.
2. Claire "resurrected" after the removal of said branch.
3. Peter "died" when the shard pierced his skull and brain.
4. Peter "resurrected" after the removal of said shard.
5. Peter asked Claire to shoot him if he goes nuclear, saying "you know the spot", inidicating the back of his skull.

Maybe I'm reading to much into this but the idea keeps nagging me: When Claire/Peter is shot at the indicated point and therefore separated from it will they die permanently? In the occurred cases a specified section of the brain was hurt and after removing the obstacle for proper healing the tissue regenerated. But if the responsible part is effectively removed from the brain (by whichever means) wouldn't they stay dead?

Furthermore I think the abilities should be divided in active and passive. As far as it was shown that would be plausible since Advanced Hearing is always "On", much like Advanced Regeneration while Flight and Telekinesis take conscious effort of the empowered person. Maybe another row in the already existing table would be sufficient. --213.54.151.27 18:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes it does appear to be their weakspot. The writers don't want us thinking that these characters could never die and therefore are never in any risk. And while I agree it should be noted that Peter's healing is passive...you could almost say the same for his radiation as he doesn't really want to do that either...so until Peter actually gains true control over his power any one of his collected abilities could go off at any time. (Rekija 21:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC))

As you've said, Peter heals after the shard has been removed, so if he had been shot he could have healed if someone took out the bullet (i.e. in the morgue, like with Claire), but maybe if it takes too long Claire's power doesn't work anymore. FMN92 00:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Tried a compromise rewording on the Potential Hidden Powers section

I noticed a revert battle going on with a "hidden powers" section. The issue brought up was that it would be speculation to guess what hidden powers Peter might or might not have. On the other hand, the section did seem to have a valid and useful point, which is that the potential for these hidden powers does exist and this potential makes Peter unusual among most of the Heroes on the show (ie most heroes have static powers that, once revealed, you pretty much know what they are).

To that end I tried a rewording of the section to try and explain this better. Basically I wanted to make clear that we shouldn't speculate on what powers Peter might or might not have, but it is useful to mention his potential as a whole to have hidden abilities that could appear in future episodes unexpectedly. Hopefully I got that across, but feel free to edit or revert as desired. Dugwiki 22:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Good job. However, would it be more appropriate to be under "Powers and abilities" rather than have its own section? Ophois 23:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm.. while I appreciate the effort, the text should be brought here for discussion first. The present version still contains a lot of speculation, and could be considerably shorter while delivering the same information. --Ckatz^chat_spy 23:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

While I agree that Peter most likely has abilities he doesn't even know about yet, and can/has picked up the rest of Sylars abilities, the problem is soucing. Remember Wikipedia isn't about what we think could happen, it's not even about common sense...it's about whats creditable...what we can source. Even us making judgements by putting two and two together is original research. Unless it's mentioned in the show, graphic novel or a reliable link then we shouldn't be using it. Now I love to sit back and chat about Heroes and give my opinions and theories but thats for the water cooler and message boards, not an Encyclopedia.(Rekija 12:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC))

I agree there's a need to talk about it, but even the most recent wording doesn't seem very encyclopedic. We're still assuming we know how Peter's power works, we don't really know. It would be better if we used what people said in the episodes about Peter's power, instead. This wording is a lot less speculative, but it still reads like original research. --GargoyleMT 15:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The section has been removed now, and as it tands thats the right course of action, it is OR. However, some of it should be integrated into the article, since it's very relevant. He could have any amount of powers from random people we don't know have a power yet. Jacobshaven3 16:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback above, guys. Just to reply a moment, I share some of the same concern about the original research complaint. This could or could not be considered a borderline case of original research depending on how you look at it. Keep in mind that something isn't necessarily considered original research if it is an obvious conclusion to even a casual reader based solely on objective verifiable statements within the article. In this case, we have a few verifiable statements: Peter mimics powers from people he meets and this ability happens automatically without concious effort on his part. From those two verified facts you can conclude that if he has met a character with a "hidden" ability then his body would have absorbed that power and he too has the potential to display it in a future episode. Whether or not you consider that statement original research depends on how you broadly you wish to allow logical conclusions to verified information in the article. For comparison, it would definitely be original research to try and conclude that Peter has successfully mimicked Sylar's superhearing, because that statement isn't immediately logically evident from the facts in the article.

Also, I should mention that even if the paragraph isn't left in the article itself, it's probably worth noting these facts here on the talk page for future reference. That way editors interested in this article will know to keep an eye out for statements from the producers and others that discuss Peter's potential for hidden abilities and how that might affect his character or the show, etc. Dugwiki 19:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The original research policy also describes OR as "synthesis of established facts, ideas, opinions, or arguments in a way that builds a particular case favored by the editor, without attributing that analysis or synthesis to a reputable source." This is how I'd classify what you added. Please don't try to redefine original research (or think your way around rules). Wikipedia itself allows you to break the rules, just see WP:IAR. It should be a last resort. --GargoyleMT 22:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Funny, I'd say you're attempting to do exactly what you're telling me not to do - trying to define WP:OR in a way that suits your own particular agenda. My interpretation is that I am not "buidling a particular case favored by myself", but simply making an obviously logical conclusion based on already verified information. There's no apparent dispute that the conclusion drawn is in any way inaccurate. So before you start to chastise me on redefining policy, I'd recommend taking a step back and considering we simply disagree on where the borderline is. Dugwiki 14:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

A simple sentence of "Due to the Automotive nature of his power, Peter may have any amount of currently unknown abilities." should suffice. If you mention specific powers then it might get messy, since we don't know if Sylar can "switch on" his powers to make them work, meaning Peter wouldn't have been able to absorb them ( and thus why when Sylar was captured they could only find telekinesis in him). Which would account for why the super hearing doesn't seem to affect him much now and how he easily could control the radiation power. (yeah yeah, that's OR I know) Jacobshaven3 08:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Episode Appearances

Someone added episode appearances for all the characters, but it has been removed. However, should they be restored? Personally, I think it does have value and adds to the articles. Ophois 00:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

It would have shrunk to something that only takes up a couple of lines at once. Maybe make a little box for it and just list the ep numbers with a link to info on that episode.

Appererance TV: 1x01, 1x02, 1x03 etc

Appererance Graphic Novels: etc

Something like that. As it stood was way too big. (Rekija 02:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC))

I'm the one that removed them from the article, and it was because it was just too big, and seemed unsightly. Almost every main character has every episode on their pages, and it was a waste of space. A smallr one sounds good, but I'm not actually sure how it adds to the article, especially since how they are currently written, most include links to every episode they are in anyhow. Jacobshaven3 08:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Minor Addition

At the bottom of the section outlining his powers, I added a sentence after the comment about Claude's belief that recalling too many powers could be what causes Peter to explode. Seeing as this was eventually proven to be incorrect, I believe a short comment to that effect was needed - even though at that point in the series neither Peter or Claude have encountered Ted and therefore do not know of his power. KoNP 12:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Comics or Episodes?

There is a lot of contention about whether to use what the comics say and what the TV shows us and I think we should do it like this; TV episodes first, then comics if the information isn't in the show. 220.244.208.204 12:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)