Talk:Peanut Hole
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Continental shelf rights don't include fishing
editThe UNCLOS says continental shelf rights don't include control over the waters above the continental shelf (Art. 78-1) [1]. I'm pretty sure that would mean that fishing by other states is still out of Russia's control. Does one of the sources cited actually say that the continental shelf submission was what ended the fishing disputes, or was that WP:OR and possibly incorrect? GeoEvan (talk) 04:41, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- @GeoEvan: Yes! Clearly Russians propaganda. Citation is eloquent enough.
Any other places in the world?
editAre there any other places like this, or formerly like this was, in the world? If so, it'd be great to create a "see also" section with links to those areas too. Skippingrock (talk) 12:25, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
International waters vs EEZ
editThese terms should not be confused as mutually exclusive. Nearly all Sea of Okhotsk is international waters. How do you think all these predator fishers entered the Peanut Hole? EEZ simply means that you cannot drill or fish there, but border patrol cannot detain you if you are not harvesting something useful. --Altenmann >talk 03:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- So just to clarify @Altenmann, if international ships are catching something useful, they're not allowed to fish there, but if they're not catching something useful, they are allowed to fish there, which makes the Sea of Okhotsk be considered international waters? Dark4tune (talk) 19:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dont ask me for clarification. First, I am not an expert, second, I was not speaking precisely. For clarification you have to go to reliable sources. As for my saying above, I was clear: you cannot harvest any natural resources in EEZ, but you can sail in the part of EEZ which is in the international waters. So no, you cannot drill, fish, collect crabs, harvest seaweed, do whaling, hunt seals, dive for pearls, etc... in an EEZ on a commercial scale. Of course, you can fish with fishing rods :-). --Altenmann >talk 20:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- But the fact remains that an EEZ can be considered international waters where international ships can sail? Dark4tune (talk) 00:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- No. EEZ also includes territorial sea. --Altenmann >talk 01:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- So what you're saying is that EEZs can exist within international waters, and those waters can still be referred to as such, with international ships allowed to sail in them? Dark4tune (talk) 02:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. --Altenmann >talk 16:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)To put it basically, EEZs and international waters can "coexist"? Dark4tune (talk) 04:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. --Altenmann >talk 16:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you for the clarification. Dark4tune (talk) 16:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- So what you're saying is that EEZs can exist within international waters, and those waters can still be referred to as such, with international ships allowed to sail in them? Dark4tune (talk) 02:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- No. EEZ also includes territorial sea. --Altenmann >talk 01:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- But the fact remains that an EEZ can be considered international waters where international ships can sail? Dark4tune (talk) 00:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dont ask me for clarification. First, I am not an expert, second, I was not speaking precisely. For clarification you have to go to reliable sources. As for my saying above, I was clear: you cannot harvest any natural resources in EEZ, but you can sail in the part of EEZ which is in the international waters. So no, you cannot drill, fish, collect crabs, harvest seaweed, do whaling, hunt seals, dive for pearls, etc... in an EEZ on a commercial scale. Of course, you can fish with fishing rods :-). --Altenmann >talk 20:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
EEZ for Peanut Hole
editThe UN granted Peanut Hole to be part of Russia's continental shelf. But I failed to find how the new status of Peanut Hole is is frelated to Russian EEZ. Is there any reference that directly says so? Or is there any direct refs which relate EEZ and shelf? The article about the US ECS says "The ECS is not an extension of the EEZ. The continental shelf includes only the seabed and subsoil, whereas the EEZ also includes the water column." But I would like to have an explicit general ref for this. - Altenmann >talk 04:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)