Talk:Parqués
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edit"It is played with 2 dices and 2 to 6 players can play" 6 must be wrong, it should read 4. Or? Vegard Krog Petersen http://home.no.net/vkp3/index.html
No, in Colombia we can play 2, 4, 6 players. Davichito (talk) 17:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Origin dispute
editThat user claims the game comes from Spain. But all Colombian players know it is from Colombia. The game stems from Pachisi, not Parchís from Spain. Here is what I replied to him:
Parqués is not a Spanish game. It is based on Pachisi, not Parchís (Spanish game). Then I would have to say that Parchís is a Spanish version of the Colombian game, which is not true either. They are different games; Parqués uses 2 dice and Parchís only one, among some rules. See, Parqués is only played in Colombia and some Latin American countries, but it is a variation from Pachisi with some local changes based on indigenous people. Or, where did you learn that Parqués is from Spain? It is not. I suggest that we delete the origin until some of us can prove where it comes from, be it Spain or Colombia. Before that, everything is just an unproved claim.
I mean, you would have to say Parqués is a USA game, because it is similar to Parcheesi. Or a French game because it is similar to Petits Chevaux. A German game, being similar to Mensch-argëre-dich-nicht... Which is not true, obviosly. The fact that Parqués is similar to Spanish Ludo/Parchís does not mean it originates from there neither viceversa, it just means all those games stem from Pachisi. That is the only thing that can be assured.
Davichito (talk) 17:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The one who possess real proof on this topic, maybe a source, can add it to the article to solve it. I just hope that other people will not do what he did; just to change the article without a source for his claim. Davichito (talk) 18:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Response:
All I am saying is that it is a knock-off the Spanish version of Parchis, Just like the Spanish introduced the Castillian language,Latin culture, and many Spanish foods, rice, spices, Chorizo, morsilla etc to South America I think it is pretty safe to say that somewhere in that bag of trix the Spanish brought with them, in there somewhere must have been the board game Parchis, which then eventually evolved to its present version of Parques in Latin America. If you are claiming that some Latin American invented the game from scratch that is a fallacy. And yes the original game originated from India, and the Brits then introduced it to Europe and eventually down the line Spain knocked there own version of the game, and so on and so forth. And by the way I am of Colombian heritage born in US, and I take it you are probably originally from Colombia from the way from the way you come off. Go to this link and check it out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parcheesi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicodemoscarfo (talk • contribs) 22:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
>If you are claiming that some Latin American invented the game from scratch that is a fallacy.
I never said that, check my site to learn about Pachisi-like board games: http://pwp.etb.net.co/dokuser/eng/history.html. Notice Parchís is very, very different to Parqués. Parchís has blockades, only 1 piece, special movements with the 6, etc...
>I think it is pretty safe to say that somewhere in that bag of trix the Spanish brought with them, in there somewhere must have been the board game Parchis, which then eventually evolved to its present version of Parques in Latin America.
I think, IMHO, that it is an unsourced claim, the same thing I am saying about Colombia's origin. Besides, Parqués is very different from Parchís... Parqués is more similar to Parcheesi (2 dice, doublets), then, it would also be "pretty safe" to say that Parqués comes from Parcheesi, not Parchís. And... following that state of mind we could also say Patolli comes from Parchís (being a board game in Mexico). But no, it came from indigenous people there.
Read the rules of both Parchís and Parcheesi... by comparing them, you could find which of those 2 is more similar to Parqués. It would be very strange that, if Parqués comes from Parchís, Parqués is more similar to Parcheesi.
>Go to this link and check it out
I went, it only means the original creator of that page thinks the same as you. We would have to go to Spain to see if they have Parqués (not Parchís) there.
In conclusion, both of us have no proof of any of our claims. It may be a modified version of Pachisi. As soon as I or you find a Colombian or Spanish book on that, there will be enough proof... The rest is just opinion.
And... I did not answer that way only due to my Colombian origin. I only answer that way when people say things without sources or proofs (I have some scientist background) ...
Article review
editI will have a look at the language, which isn't too bad really. For comprehensiveness, what comes to mind is the following:
- Who makes it commercially in Colombia? A local company? no-one, a multinational?
Many companies make it. It is like making card games, any company can do it, as there is no trademark. I don't have any knowledge of a multinational company making the board game because it is a Colombian-only game.
- Is it played by Colombian expats outside the country?
Yes. On my website, http://pwp.etb.net.co/dokuser/, I have received feedback from USA users who have downloaded the rules from there and even printed the videogame board shot to play with it.
- Is it played all over the country? Are rules variation local?
Yes, all around the country. And variations are local, by region.
- Any local competitions?
None that I know of.
- Coverage in Colombian media, jokes or references, famous players etc.
No major references. I have tried to find some references in libraries but I have not found any.
- I haven't played ludo since I was about 10 years old; it'd be nice to summarise how this game is different to pachisi and to ludo. Is Ludo itself played in Colombia? (is it trademarked I wonder...)
No, Ludo is not played here. Very few companies sell Ludo games but it is not a game commonly seen here. It is even less popular than Scrabble, in this country.
- What does Parques mean? and how does it relate to the game?
Parqués means nothing. It may be a language variation from Pachisi or Parcheesi words.
Just some thoughts, more later as I read. Remember, the article should be as much about the game's place in the world as about the rules etc. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:42, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I see. I will try to add more information about local culture about it. Thanks. Davichito (talk) 23:42, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
- The boards usually contain pictures of soccer teams, singers, actors, or other cultural figures on the jail boxes. - this bit fascinates me, how the game is promoted culturally. Can it be elaborated upon and referenced? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, the problem in Colombia is that local culture is seldom promoted. No company has tried to make any advertising about the game. Even books about folk culture do not include it. I have not found any single book on local libraries which cites Parqués. Neither on the Internet... By the way, I was the first person to add content about this game to wikipedia and Internet. I hope this will help popularize the game and maybe someone finds something about the origins of the game. In my website I have made some research on Pachisi-like games and their history. See: http://pwp.etb.net.co/dokuser/eng/history.html.
About "Salida"
editThis part is a little confusing:
Once the pieces are freed, they are placed in a special box next to the jail. This box is called "Home", or "Salida" (literally, "exit" in Spanish).
You say that "Salida" means "exit" in spanish, and it's correct, but in the concept of the game I think it means "Start" or "Starting line", like in a race.--$$$Marlon$$$30 (talk) 22:37, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe some administrator from Spanish Wikipedia will come and erase a link. Should we accept that? --Davichito (talk) 01:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Copyright
editThe image at the top of this article displays a copyright statement. I assume therefore that this image should be deleted. Does anyone have a public-domain image? CoeurDeHamster (talk) 08:28, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- The image is in Commons, and its file description at Commons:File:Parqués2.jpg gives an OTRS ticket number for permission. JohnCD (talk) 22:21, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
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