Talk:On Bullshit

Spoiler warning?

Does this article really need a spoiler warning? Chris 04:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Daily Telegraph review?

Can't find the cited review in the Daily Telegraph archives anywhere... can anyone verify this citation and/or provide a link to the original review?

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Maybe I'm ignorant but ...

... isn't the joke here that Frankfurt bullshits about bullshit? Or is the essay really meant to be read without tongue in cheek? Maikel (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

You are not ignorant, you are just bullshiting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.149.193.70 (talk) 18:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Text at jelks.nu/Wayback

I think it was me who added the EL, but now that I come to consider it I see no reason to think it is authorized. WP shouldn't be linking to copyright violations, so I'm about to remove the link. -- Hoary (talk) 03:40, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Where's the policy that says "don't link to (possible) copyright violations"?116.55.68.106 (talk) 19:04, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

It's WP:LINKVIO. In its current state, it reads: "if you know or reasonably suspect that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work." -- Hoary (talk) 22:50, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Yep, i removed it. Jytdog (talk) 23:05, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Coining the term?

This article doesn't state the genesis of the term bullshit. Since the term is central to the focus of the essay, it seems to me like that's great context, either showing that this essay is commentary on an existing term, or is coins the term itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.139.254.117 (talk) 02:04, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

you have missed the entire point which is - bullshit exists. what is it? Jytdog (talk) 03:37, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

The point was that the article is unclear. An encyclopedia article isn't supposed to be an in-joke. 75.139.254.117 (talk) 06:35, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

the article is about the book, called On bullshit. the book doesn't discuss the origin of the term. Jytdog (talk) 07:00, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so perhaps the article should clarify that the essay doesn't discuss the genesis, but tries to clarify the nature of bullshit. If it doesn't succeed in even that, then that's probably noteworthy for the article as well, as perhaps that is an in-joke in the book itself (I wouldn't know, I haven't read it). That's certainly not mentioned in the article at the moment. 75.139.254.117 (talk) 21:59, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

The first sentence describes what the book does. There are zillions of things it doesn't do. The book is not a joke. Jytdog (talk) 22:02, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't feel it's clear enough, and I've suggested a way in which it can be clearer. You seem to feel it's good enough. I disagree. And since we don't seem to be making any progress, I'm done discussing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.139.254.117 (talk) 07:43, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

the book is very short. you could have easily read it over the last month since you first posted here. Jytdog (talk) 08:06, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Citing the book, again and again

The article has many citations of the book itself -- and rightly so. But the citation system is a bit cumbersome for this purpose. How about using Template:Rp? (You can see it used, plentifully, in Gianni Berengo Gardin bibliography, for example. Its use there is cumbersome, but less so than any alternative I can think of.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:05, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

What the hell?

On Bullshit is a 2005 book (originally a 1986 essay) by American philosopher Harry G. Frankfurt which presents a theory of bullshit that defines the concept and analyzes the applications of bullshit in the context of communication. Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care if what they say is true or false. Frankfurt's philosophical analysis of bullshit has been analyzed, criticized and adopted by academics since its publication. Is this supposed to be a serious introduction? Who read this over and thought it sounded perfectly fine and publication-ready? Seriously, who? —theMainLogan (t•c) 16:00, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Topics in Ethics C Calling Bullshit

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