Talk:Music of Hawaii/Archive 1

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I wrote this, but my computer logged me out. Tuf-Kat

In the course of tweaking a few details and adding a reference to Elizabeth Tatar's slack key article in Hawaiian Music and Musicians, I seem to have entangled one of the other notes, so that now the Tatar reference is somehow combined with the one to Kanahele by way of Manuel. RLetson 06:46, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

This is your diff. It doesn't look like you actually added any footnotes. Add <ref>Tatar, pg. 1</ref> and it should work fine. (or am I misunderstanding something?) Tuf-Kat 11:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Note #8 is the one that seems munged--it seems to be inserting the Tatar reference into the "Kanahele quoted in Manuel" one. There's something I'm missing about how the Notes pick up data from the References. If it were my own article, I'd replace that "quoted in" Reference with a direct one, since it seems to be pointing to one particular section of Kanahele's Introduction to Hawaiian Music and Musicians (which is within reach of my keyboard). I'm also trying to decode the note/biblio style and match it with what I used to teach 20 years ago in freshman English--a good many of the References are likely to wind up pointing to articles in HMM (which has the format of an encyclopedia with signed articles) in the form AUTHOR, TITLE, in HMM. RLetson 17:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I still don't understand what you mean. I added footnote 8. I have the Manuel book, in which Peter Manuel discusses something said by Elizabeth Tatar in an article in the George Kanahele book. I made the footnote the way it is -- if you have the Kanahele book and can check that Tatar does indeed verify the info in the paragraphs, then the footnote should be simplified to remove the thing about Manuel (which I've gone ahead and done, since you rather imply that you've read the article and presumably didn't see any problems). I've tweaked the references in question. Tuf-Kat 01:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

If you put the below into the article, it will create a footnote with the text between the <ref></ref> tags.

This is a statement. <ref>Source for statement, pg. 88</ref>

If you put the text below into the article, it will create multiple footnotes that link to the same note in the "Notes" section
This is a statement. <ref name=Source>Source for statement, pg. 89</ref>
The references listed in the "References" section are not linked through any technical means to the footnotes. Everything cited in a footnote should have an entry in the "References" section. Citing numerous essays in the Kanahele book is fine, but consider removing the entries in the "References" section for each individual chapter author (as long as the book itself is still there); the chapter author and title should then be in the footnote (e.g. Tatar, Elizabeth, "Slack-Key", pgs. 350 - 360 in Kanahele, Hawaiian Music and Musicians ). This will prevent the "References" section from becoming bloated with dozens of entries for each article in the book.

• Hope that helps. Feel free to ask me a question. Thanks for working on this article! (I've been meaning to try and clean it up for eventual Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, but haven't yet gotten around to it -- if you'd like to focus on this article, I'd be glad to help out where I can, though it sounds like you have a lot more knowledge and more comprehensive sources than I.)Tuf-Kat 23:32, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

So I'm too familiar with wiki syntax, and I'm sure I could learn if I could spend an hour or two here, but what about the Royal Hawaiian Band as a music institution?

If you're not sure how to add it, just write the relevant info in ordinary words here on the talk page, and say where you got the information from. Somebody will format it and insert it into the article. Tuf-Kat 01:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Popularization

This section needs a subhead and subsection for the development of Hapa Haole music from 1920-1960. Alfred Apaka is not even mentioned. This old review of one of Apaka's albums encapsulates the dynamism of the era:

(Editorial reviews, All Music Guide ) "In the 1920s, a perfect storm of cultural changes -- the beginning of airline travel, the height of the tourist ship lines, the rise of a moneyed leisure class that could afford to take long vacations in exotic locales, and the increasing cheapness and portability of recording equipment, among others -- led to a brief passion for Hawaiian music in the United States. This was partially fed by Tin Pan Alley composers who exploited a brief vogue for Hawaiian-themed pop songs (modern-day ukulele chanteuse Janet Klein covers several of these now-obscure tunes on her albums), but it also led to many recordings of Hawaiian musicians by mainland labels. It's those songs that are compiled on the marvelous four-disc box set It's Hotter in Hawaii. These are vintage jazz age sides, most of them similar to the Western swing that was popularized in the southwestern U.S. around the same time, only with that uniquely Hawaiian instrument the slack-key guitar standing in for the pedal steel. It's remarkable how similar the two instruments sound, actually; there are a few songs here that wouldn't sound at all out of place on a Bob Wills anthology, including, somewhat surprisingly, an entirely trad version of the blues-folk standard "Stack-o-Lee." Most of these 105 tracks are instrumentals, with the occasional vocal tracks evenly split between English and Hawaiian, and the remastering throughout is quite good, or at least as well as can be expected given the age and rarity of the source material. Only the near total lack of liner notes (unusual for a JSP release, which usually at least includes recording dates and musician names when available) keeps this from being the best possible introduction to Hawaiian music."

~ Stewart Mason, Rovi Read less 

Alfred Apaka is such a cultural icon of this period that a statue in his honor stands outside of Hilton Hawaiian Village. There is a separate bio of Apaka in Wikipedia. There is a lot about the music of this era on Harry Soria's <harryb105@msn.com> Territorial Airwaves, www.territorialairwaves.com, "Your Source for the History of Hawaiian Music." I am not qualified to write this new subsection, but this wiki has many competent contributors who could write it. --BobSchacht (talk) 22:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hip-hop commercials?

Is it just me, or is the hip-hop section getting to be a list of promotional mentions and links? The wikilinks I checked (Mother Goose, COD) point to articles with no hip-hop connection, while the external link/notes point to commercial or personal sites. Quadmag looks like a blog rather than a magazine, and DJ Elite's links are clearly personal (a Myspace page) and promotional. Candidates for editing-out? I'd rather see someone familiar with hip-hop in the Islands do it--but I'd urge that person to be pretty rigorous about keeping this descriptive, sourced, and non-promotional.RLetson 02:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted what I take to be promotional links in this section--is there any reason not to remove links to MySpace and similar personal/self-promotional sites? I'm not questioning who ought or ought not to be mentioned as part of this music scene--just the propriety of self-promoting material. (For example, a newspaper or magazine story identifying them is a different matter.) RLetson 18:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I went further and deleted the whole section. I was trying to rewrite the section but without all the redlinks; each time I checked out one of the named artists or DJs I found there was no Wikipedia page at all to support it. From an outsider viewpoint it seems no notable musicians are involved in the genre. Binksternet (talk) 06:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

omg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.16.140.2 (talk) 14:37, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

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This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I question the quality of this article based on the Good article criteria. For that reason, I have listed the article at Good article review. Issues needing to be address are listed there. Regards, T Rex | talk 11:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The result was to Delist the article. An archive of the discussion can be found here. Drewcifer 23:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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What is "Hawaiian Music"?

So the Honolulu Symphony Orchestra generally plays Hawaiian music?

The article obviously has a bit of a problem defining "Music of Hawaii", or, as the redirect has it, "Hawaiian music". Surely this cannot be the same thing as "Music ensembles of the state of Hawaii" which may in fact be playing no Hawaiian music at all.

Playing just any sort of music on the Hawaiian islands does not make it "music of Hawaii". --217.239.10.232 (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2019 (UTC)