Talk:Murtadha al Said Makram

rough work

According to Intelwire Murtada has the following aliases:

• Abu Disavowal Hadrami -- very likely a typographical error...
• Murtada Hadrami
• Mauritanian Khallad
• Abdulmalik Abu Musab
• Abu Shahed
• Murtaza Ali Said Kerem

move

What is the source for the name that is used now? After i carefully evaluated the sources in the article and multiple secondary sources from search results. I plan to move the article to Murtadha al Said Makram. Any objection? IQinn (talk) 06:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Moved to Murtadha al Said Makram IQinn (talk) 13:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I object to this move, and I plan to request its reversal. Iqinn has been added the identical note on a bunch of articles. He has asserted that he has carefully evaluated the sources. He has asserted that he has evaluated multiple secondary sources. In other instances I asked him to show his work. I contend that being asked to show his work is not an insult.

In my opinion moving articles to new names shouldn't be done for frivolous reasons. In this particular instance he hasn't actually offered a reason for this move -- other than his assertion of a careful evaluation.

Maybe, for some of these articles, there are reasons to justify a renaming that are worth the maintenance burden. But that should follow a discussion where the possible candidate names are advanced, each with their pros and cons.

In some of the other instances Iqinn has stated that, in his opinion, those articles should use the same transliteration the New York Times has chosen. It seemed to me that he then asserted something the NYTimes did not claim -- that the NYTimes' choice of transliteration was based on the opinions of experts in the transliteration of names from languages that don't use a European script. The NYTimes did not assert that.

It seems to me that Iqinn is implying that his "multiple secondary sources" have gone on record and stated that their choice of transliteration was based on the opinions of experts. But I don't believe that to be true.

Iqinn has recently claimed that I have claimed to be an expert on everything. It is inflammatory. For the record I don't believe I have ever claimed I am an expert in the transliteration of non-English names.

Ideally we should have a central place to discuss the issues shared in the renaming of these articles. I suggest Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo captives' names.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 01:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I think there is no need to post inflammatory ad hominem messages like this. There is no need for a central discussion. I you feel there is a better name than Murtadha al Said Makram for this article please do argue about that on this talk page. IQinn (talk) 01:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)