Talk:Municipality of Ivančna Gorica

List vs. prose

@Doremo: But I don't agree with changing long lists to prose, as you did on this article. The long paragraph is totally unreadable! This is a clear example where bullet list should be used. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 16:04, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

The entire section already seems superfluous to me because it's in the template (but I don't read these articles on a mobile device). I don't know that readability is really an issue; a user will immediately see it as a list, and nobody will read it per se anyhow because it's not really prose. The advantage of the paragraph format is that it makes the article much more navigable (reduced from 34 lines to 15), without the spaced data taking up a huge amount of screen space between other sections. Doremo (talk) 16:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

First: no, it is not redundant to the template. In a good developed article, (nearly) everything that is the template should be discussed in the article itself, because an article section serves an entirely different purpose than the template (= just a nav tool).

And the main reason why it should be in list format is answered in your own response: nobody will read it per se anyhow because it's not really prose. Not really prose!!! That sums it up! So the only reason for paragraph format is to reduce some blank screen space? How is this a problem? There are millions of articles with some blank screen space. In fact, the so-called advantage of "making the article much more navigable" is actually a big disadvantage because the links themselves are much much less navigable. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

It seems like we need guidance on how long a set of data should be before prose becomes inappropriate. There's obviously a difference between the data set at Dobrovnik and Novo Mesto, but I don't know where to draw the limit. MOS:PROSE implies that prose should be preferred to a list, but it does not specify when a bulleted list becomes the preferred presentation format. Doremo (talk) 19:01, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

True, there is no set limit. And it would be fairly arbitrary trying to set one, so just use some common sense. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 19:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

I've requested guidance/opinions here. Doremo (talk) 19:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Doremo: A column with a width of 10em??? That results in 1-item columns for Sencur that looks like a sentence! It may as well be a paragraph! And multiple lines for even short place names at Cerklje. You are still trying to remove all blank space as if that is an issue. Be reasonable. (BTW, can't you leave some editing to me or do you have an ownership issue here?) -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 15:38, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

It looks fine on my display, with lots of intermediate space. I scrolled in and out to check the variation and it automatically adjusted -- not sure what the issue is on a non-PC display device. Doremo (talk) 15:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

14em is fine (as you set for Ivančna Gorica), if that displays better than 10em on your device. Doremo (talk) 15:42, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Working on a laptop too. That is why I noticed the 1-item column and spill-over lines. 10em is indeed to narrow. But this value shouldn't be the same for all articles. Shorter lists should have bigger values (i.e. meaning less columns) to avoid 1- or 2-item columns that don't look like a list. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 15:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)