Talk:Mona Sahlin/Archive 1

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there's nothing about the furore over her being removed after buying a toblerone on a govt. spending card. Why not? this is one of the more noteworthy twists in her career.

Wasn't she the person that arranged diplomatic employement to one of her's family? Lord Metroid 13:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, Lordmetroid, it was never proven that she did that, but many people think she arranged it for her daughter despite other candidates had better qualifications.RGDS Alexmcfire

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Daughter's embassy job affair

I have taking dis out becuse is not true not eve the soure say whats are in the text.Wolfmann (talk) 08:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

• In August 2006 it was revealed that Sahlin's daughter, Ann-Sofie Sahlin, had been given a temporary substitute position at the Swedish embassy in Washington, D.C. In her letter to the consul-general in Washington, Pontus Järborg, on January 9, 2006, Ann-Sofie Sahlin referred to her mother. For the three months substitute Ann-Sofie Sahlin was paid 5,500 USD (approximately 40,000 SEK). Mona Sahlin denied the allegations that she had helped her daughter to get the job.

sorese: http://www.expressen.se/?a=661566

I have corrected the error. Here is the actual source: http://www.expressen.se/1.403729 Jobjörn (talk) 11:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

This is a non-story. The daughter got a job at an embassy, and referred to her mother in the application. It might be useful to have an influential mother, but the allegation that Mona helped her getting the job has no basis. This story is just cheap tabloid news and not worth mentioning here. --Kildor (talk) 12:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia policies do not agree. There are multiple news sources covering this story: [1][2][3][4][5][6]. This makes it notable enough to at least be mentioned in the article. However, I think the entire "Controversies" section should be worked into the main text. Jobjörn (talk) 16:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree on merging the controversies section into the main text. About this specific "controversy", I see two problems with having it in the article. First, I don't think the story is noteworthy enough. If the allegation is true, it is rather a problem for UD and the embassy for not following their own rules. But still, there is nothing but an allegation. And as far as I know, the story has not been covered by any top-rated media in Sweden. Your sources above are from tabloids, blogs and minor news sites. The one from SVT is a part that only summarizes what's written on the Internet. Sydvenskan is however a reliable source. But the article you refer to only mention this "affair" in retroperspective. I have failed to find an article specifically about this "affair" in DN, SvD, SR or SVT. And I note that this story is not covered at all in the Swedish Wikipedia. --Kildor (talk) 16:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia makes no difference between "top-rated media" and lesser rated media. Anyhow, I think the best solution would be to include it in the main text, but rewritten. How does this sound? "In October 2006, tabloid newspaper Expressen claimed she had used her influence to land her daughter a job an embassy.[cite expressen] It turned out that her daughter had referred to her in the application letter, but nothing more suspicious had occurred.[cite something] Swedish media dropped the matter, although it is sometimes mentioned together with other scandals.[cite sydsvenskan]" Jobjörn (talk) 17:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you think that is really worth mentioning in an encyclopedic article? There are some true controversies about Mona Sahlin, but this one is not even near... BTW, Wikipedia does make difference between sources. WP:RS#News organizations: "When adding contentious biographical material about living persons that relies upon news organizations, only material from high-quality news organizations should be used." Nevertheless, I dont think this story is interesting enough to be included in the article. --Kildor (talk) 18:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, perhaps you are right. Go ahead and remove it. Jobjörn (talk) 20:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

"Right-wing"

Sahlin was described as belonging to the right wing of her party, which to a reader unfamiliar with Swedish politics might suggest that she has conservative or libertarian views, which is not the case. I therefore changed to the sentence to run "more moderate members". 83.226.206.82 (talk) 23:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I would argue that "more moderate" is not NPOV. A better description might be "pro-business". RicJac (talk) 10:42, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Sahlin was never a right wing. She's a left wing socialist that wants to make our history inferior to that of the others.Norum 19:56, 21 September 2013 (UTC)