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Latest comment: 1 year ago7 comments3 people in discussion
Can someone please explain to me how a player born in Guinea can be considered an Australian, especially if he has never represented Australia internationally? It is standard across WP:FOOTY for a player's nationality follow that in which he was born until he represents another nation. I'm not even going to get into the fact that Toure is actually Liberian, because refugees do not get jus soli citizenship rights and adopt the citizenship of their parents; but in any case, how can we justify Toure being "Australian" if he was not born there and has never represented Australia in any way internationally? Anwegmann (talk) 03:47, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
Response - As i explained to you earlier he has never played in or for Guinea or Liberia. Until then he's an Australian soccer player. His entire football development has taken place solely in Australia. If he comes out publicly and says he doesn't want to play for Australia then that's another story. Simione001 (talk) 04:08, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
That logic goes against the broad consensus of WP:FOOTY. The fact that he never represented Guinea or Liberia is immaterial because he was born in the former and was a citizen of the latter at birth. His football development being in Australia has nothing to do with his nationality. His being Australian needs to be proven, while his being at least Guinean does not—it is clear from his birth there. Anwegmann (talk) 04:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
His footballing development has a lot to do with it because the article is about a footballer. Simione001 (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
Both Guinea and Liberia do not apply the jus soli right (see the map on that article) – they apply the jus sanguinis one. So, if Toure was born to Liberian parents in Guinea, he was born as Liberian, not as Guinean. Therefore, article should not be left in categories like "Guinean footballers", "Guinean emigrants to Australia" and "Guinean people of Liberian descent", but in "Liberian emigrants to Australia" and maybe in "Liberian footballers" (maybe because he started his career in Australia and I do not know if he was already naturalized as Australian at the moment he started).--MonFrontieres (talk) 03:22, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
I agree completely with this. We are not talking about development. We are talking about nationality. His nationality is Liberian, not Guinean and not Australian. Anwegmann (talk) 04:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
MonFrontieres was only commenting about the use relevant categories. Simione001 (talk) 05:50, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
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