Talk:Models of migration to the Philippines

Unsatisfying

The article seems to concentrate on the invalidity of Beyer's theory, and fails to take into account more recent theories of Austronesian migrations to the Philippines, Indonesia, and elsewhere. The article mentions it partly: migrations from the mainland but it does not explore the Formosan connection (genetic, linguistic, etc.)thoroughly enough. The citations are also dated: 1984 and 1999 are hardly new. I find it too "Filipino-centric", relying overmuch on Zaide. Also, it does not even provide links to relevant articles in Wikipedia itself such as Austronesian languages, Austronesian people, Austronesian migrations and others, which provide more current information on the theory. I suggest that this article be thoroughly revised. Rrcs law (talk) 06:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I feel the same way, but don't think there is too much discussion of Beyer. His theories were prominent, the reasons for their fall from acceptance should be discussed, and the solution to a WP:UNDUE concern would have to be to expand the other aspects, not to shrink his section.

That said, I do come away from this article not understanding what the point of Jocano's theory is or why it is worth mentioning at all. He seems to simply be arguing reflexively and nationalistically against "Malaysian" influence in the Philippines for an era when "Malaysian" was a non-existent concept. I'm not sure if this is a personal failing (and discussion of him should simply be removed) or if it reflects the puerality of present Filipino scholarship generally (in which case it needs to be kept but heavily reworked to provide context and outline the general unimportance and muddle-headedness of the debate). Some bits of the article suggest that Jocano was trying to make that point against more nationalistic or muddle-headed interpretations of Beyer; if that was the case, it should certainly be kept but (again) heavily reworked to clarify that. — LlywelynII 01:44, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

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