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Term of respectEdit
- In the United Kingdom, Miss is often used to address female teachers without using their name, regardless of marital status.
Is "Miss" or "Ms." used alone as a term of respect in inner city regions of the US? --zandperl 20:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC) In the United States, "Miss" used as a term of respect.22.214.171.124 (talk) 11:05, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Jane Austen's novels use the term "Miss" ("Miss Elizabeth Bennett"), which suggests it was in use before the Victorian era.
Are there any citations for this article? There are a lot of claims without any support here. Dalassa 02:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- I did some research and used Emily Post to fix up what I could. Dalassa 00:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
How do you pronounce the Russian word ""?
- I've gone ahead and removed that line since it doesn't have an entry. - Dalassa 23:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
This article gives the impression that "Miss" is no longer used. While usage has diminished, it still remains in use. Any opinions? 126.96.36.199 03:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- This article gives examples of where both Miss is and isn't currently used. So I don't see where is says the term is no longer in use.Dalassa 20:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well since no one has responded to my points about neutrality I am going to go ahead and pull the tag from the article. Dalassa 01:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Current usage of Miss restoredEdit
As per note above, this article once gave the inaccurate impression that Miss was no longer in use. Part of the remedy to that is providing examples of usage of Miss. The paragraph that was removed gives three such examples.
- Miss Jones, a particular individual, sufficiently well known to have a Wiki entry.
- An example of a formal setting from a very recent film.
- Finally, it points to the wide practice of collecting preference for title from people via forms in hard copy or electronic.
Here is an example application form.
Please feel free to add to the examples, especially if there is some means of verifying them. If you can think of other examples that are common knowledge, like the application forms, I won't revert you just because you haven't made an arbitrary selection of source for common practice. However, you will be at risk from those who take offence at others using the title Miss.
Arguably it is worth discussing the fact that some do argue that women should not be allowed to use the term Miss, because in their perception this is sexist. Personally, I find it hard to see that removing a liberty constitutes freedom, but it is a subtle question.
Finally, regarding the edit note suggesting that three examples of usage of Miss were irrelevant and should be included at Ms. I need the logic spelled out more clearly for me. I would have thought that examples of usage of Miss belonged at Miss, rather than Ms. Alastair Haines (talk) 04:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Certificate of the Misses and Miss title in the United States of AmericaEdit
Here are the Certificates of the Misses and Miss titles in the United States of America created by myself for public domain. (example)
"Miss instead of Ms." is given as an example of disrespectful language in the Random House guide to sensitive language (mirrored here). Has anyone heard of this? .froth. (talk) 07:07, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Presumptive or presumptuous?Edit
Presumptive is the correct term, see these definitions from the Collins dictionary:
presumptuous (prï'zômptjùûs) adj. 1. characterized by presumption or tending to presume; bold; forward. 2. an obsolete word for <presumptive>. presumptive (prï'zômptïv) adj. 1. based on presumption or probability. 2. affording reasonable ground for belief. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Axel-berger (talk • contribs) 23:49, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
No, I don't agree. Here's the definition of presumptuous from Merriam-Webster: "too confident especially in a way that is rude : done or made without permission, right, or good reason" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/presumptuous . That's a pretty standard definition of the way presumptuous is typically used, and that's closer to the intended meaning in this article ("and it is presumptuous to assume marital status based solely on apparent age"). I can't see how presumptive is appropriate, even with the Collins definition. Doesn't make sense to me. Omc (talk) 01:28, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Appropriate for single mothers?Edit
Since single mothers are deemed to be unmarried women, is it correct to address such women as Miss <surname>? If the mother has a daughter, then there's a need to distinguish the two if their surname is used in shorthand. Example, the older Miss <surname> refers to the mother and the younger Miss <surname> refers to the daughter. SignOfTheDoubleCross (talk) 07:46, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Use of the title Miss, followed by a first nameEdit
In the southern United States, it is common to address all women, no matter their age, as "Miss" followed by their first name. This is also practiced for men, using "Mister" followed by their first name. Many people from the south consider people from other parts of the country disrespectful when they don't follow this cultural tradition. I am curious as to the history of this form of address. Jilllewis (talk) 16:41, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
This article is a total mess / the "mizz" pronunciationEdit
Please, can someone rewrite this from scratch to distinguish between usage in the US and elsewhere, and also keep it a lot shorter and less weirdly worded? Thank you! I arrived here to look up the usage of the "mizz" pronunciation, and it does an awful job of explaining it.