Talk:Miletich Fighting Systems

Why is there so much confusion on this topic.. it was good for a while with detailed fighter lists.. and details on the fighting style.. I don't get what happened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.58.242 (talk) 21:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Noone kept up with them, and noone expanded them. They were little more than stub articles that stayed frozen in time.Unak78 (talk) 14:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Response to merging

This article should definitely not be merged with the Pat Miletich page. Both the individual and the organization he runs are notable in their own right and each deserve pages. --128.193.4.98 19:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

agree, merging is not a good idea. hateless 03:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

agreed, merging is a bad idea... at least let's keep this as a stub and have it expanded in the future... much less

prominent MMA houses have their own page on wikipedia, don't see why a house with as many acclaimed fighters as MFS shouldn't Toodiesel (talk) 13:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that none of the MMA team or organization pages should be merged or deleted. My suggestion is that someone submit a writeup on all of the teampage stubs with at least 5 to 10 accredited references from ESPN, SI.com, or other sports-related sites to facilitate the fleshing out of the various house pages beginning with this one. I have already written good startup pages on Chute Boxe and the Pit. We need to be more proactive as a group on getting these pages done and looking more complete.Unak78 (talk) 14:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Unless this page is expanded to explain what the MFS is, and what separates it from other martial arts systems, then it probably should be merged. However, I would rather see it properly expanded to give more authoritative information about MFS. Durandus 05:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Add Current/former fighters

Maybe someone should add current and former fighters to the list, one current off the top of my head is Tim Syliva, a former well known one would be Matt Hughes

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is Roger Huerta training in MFS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vik.sanchez (talk • contribs) 15:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposed Edit

{{editprotected}} Request that article Miletich Fighting Systems (IFL camp) as an extension of the existing article. Concensus was previously reached in the discussion for the proposed merger for two other articles of the same nature. The discussion is being archived and can be seen on the IFL Talk Page. Due to the current state of this article I did not include it in the merger discussion but the same caveats that applied to the two articles in question also apply here. In addition the code with whicj the article's main logo is displayed has also changed. Example of the requested changes are as follows with a merge/redirect link from the IFL article:

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
{{MMA Training Associations |teamname=Miletich Fighting Systems |Image = [[Image:MFSLogo.jpg ‎|205px]] |imagesize = 134px |founder=[[Pat Miletich]] |owners= |trainers=[[Pat Miletich]] <br> [[Steve Rusk]] <br> [[Nate Schroeder]] |dateestablished=[[1997]] |titleholders=[[Robbie Lawler]]<ref>{{cite news |url=http://starbulletin.com/2007/04/01/sports/story05.html |title=Lawler knocks out Trigg in OT |last=Hull |first=Billy |work=[[Honolulu Star-Bulletin]] |date=[[April 1]], [[2007]] |accessdate=2007-10-13 }}</ref> |fmrtitleholders=[[Spencer Fisher]]<ref>{{cite web |url=http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dd-ufcside111707 |title=UFC 78 notes: Lightweights save the day |last=Doyle |first=Dave |publisher=[[Yahoo! 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Coached by former [[UFC]] Lightweight Champion [[Pat Miletich]], Miletich Fighting Systems takes place of the [[Quad City Silverbacks]] who were the first IFL team champions. Miletich Fighting Systems was established in 2008 when the IFL switched to a more camp based system then a team based system. ==Record/Roster== (All records are IFL fights only). <sup>a</sup>= fought as an alternate bought, that does not go towards team record <sup>o</sup>= fought as an opening bought, that does not go towards team record <sup>GP</sup>= fought during the individual Grand Prix, that does not go towards team record ===Current fighters as of 2008 season=== *[[LC Davis]] (2-1) (LW) ALTERNATE def Jay Estrada by submission (guillotine choke) in the second round (05/19/07)<sup>o</sup> def Conor Heun by decision (unanimous) (08/02/07)<sup>o</sup> lost to Wagney Fabiano by submission (armbar) in the first round (12/29/07)<sup>GP</sup> * [[Rory Markham]] (6-2) (WW) def Mike Pyle by KO in the first round (4/29/06) def Brad Blackburn by KO in the second round (6/03/06) def Marcelo Azevedo by TKO in the first round (9/23/06) def Keith Wisniewski by TKO (corner stoppage) in the third round (11/02/06) lost to Chris Wilson by TKO (ref stoppage) in the first round (12/29/06) was supposed to face Jay Hieron on 2/02/07 but underwent eye surgery, alternate Victor Moreno fought instead def Pat Healy by TKO in the third round (04/07/07) was supposed to face Mark Miller on 5/19/07 but was injured during training, alternate [[Josh Neer]] fought instead def Chris Clements by TKO (strikes) in the first round (08/02/07) was supposed to face Delson Heleno in the IFL Finals but suffered an injury from his last fight, thus alternate Jake Ellenberger fought instead lost to Brett Cooper by TKO (strikes) in the second round (12/29/07)<sup>GP</sup> ===IFL Middleweight Champion=== * [[Ryan McGivern]] (6-4) (MW) def. Amir Rahnavardi by unanimous decision (4/29/06) def Dennis Hallman by unanimous decision (6/03/06) lost to Fabio Leopoldo by submission in the second round (9/23/06) lost to Joe Doerksen by submission (rear naked choke) in the first round (11/02/06) def Matt Horwhich by unanimous decision (12/29/06) lost to Benji Radach by TKO (strikes) in the second round (02/02/07) def Daniel Molina by unanimous decision (04/07/07) lost to Tim Kennedy by submission (guillotine choke) in the second round (05/19/07) was supposed to face Benji Radach in the IFL 2007 semi finals but was on his honeymoon, thus Gerald Harris who normally fights for the Portland Wolfpack fought instead def Fabio Leopoldo by TKO in the second round (09/20/07) def Matt Horwich by decision (unanimous) to win the IFL Middleweight Champion (02/29/08) * [[Mike Ciesnolevicz]] (5-3) (LHW) lost to Reese Andy by split decision (6/03/06) lost to Andre Gusmao by TKO in the second round (9/23/06) def Brent Beauparlant by submission (guillotine choke) in the first round (11/02/06) def Aaron Stark by TKO (guillotine choke/ref stoppage) in the third round (12/29/06) def Alex Schoenauer by decision (split) (02/02/07) was supposed to face Vernon "Tiger" White on 4/07/07 but suffered a broken nose from his bout with Schoenauer. Thus alternate Sam Hoger fought instead. def Adam Maciejewski by TKO (strikes) in the second round (05/19/07) def Alex Schoenauer by decision (split) (08/02/07) lost to Andre Gusmao by KO in the first round (09/20/07) ==Former Fighters== * [[Bart Palaszewski]] (8-3) (LW) def. John Shackelford by TKO in the 2nd round (4/29/06) def Steve Bruno by KO in the first round (6/03/06) def Marcio Feitosa by decision (split) (9/23/06) def Ivan Menjivar by decision (split) (11/02/06) def Ryan Schultz by KO in the third round (12/29/06) (Clinched IFL World Team Championship) lost to Chris Horodecki by decision (split) (02/02/07) def John Gunderson by decision (split) (04/07/07) def John Strawn by KO (punch) in the first round (05/19/07) def Harris Sarmiento by submission (guillotine choke) in the third round (08/02/07) lost to Deividas Taurosevicius by submission (armbar) in the second round (09/20/07) lost to Chris Horodecki by decision (split) (11/03/07)<sup>GP</sup> left to fight for [[Midwest Combat]] ==2008 Season Schedule/ Results== {| class="wikitable" ! Date || Opponent || Result |-style="background: #ddffdd; | [[April 04]], [[2008]] || [[American Top Team (IFL camp)]] || TBD |} ==References== {{tl|reflist}} {{tl|MMA Team List}} {{tl|mixedmartialart-stub}} [[:Category:Mixed martial arts training facilities]] [[:Category:Sports in the Quad Cities]] [[:Category:International Fight League]]

Unak78 (talk) 13:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

This is not a change that an editprotected request can handle. Also, the content listed above is not even an article - it's just a list of fights. See WP:NOT#STATS. — Carl (CBM · talk) 15:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I've made part of this edit. I agree with Carl that the list of fights isn't really appropriate - we're not a directory and that information is best left to Sherdog. However, I did include the category and information about the IFL fight team itself. Also, a general note to administrators who come across this page via CAT:PER - it is OK to make just about any edit as long as it does not concern the ownership of MFS' affiliate schools or the dispute between Pat Miletich and Dave Kujawski. east.718 at 01:16, April 8, 2008

Proposed: Delete IFL Records From This Page

Im my opinion, everything below: "Record/Roster" should be deleted. This wikipedia page should be about the Miletich Fighting Systems MMA camp primarily, which is one of the most historically relevant in the sport. The Miletich Fighting Systems camp basically contributed the "silverbacks" team in the IFL but this is only a small part of it's history. Actual IFL records should be in an IFL or Silverbacks page and not here, which is a page about the actual MMA fight camp. I think the section headed "IFL fight team" covers this in about as much detail as is required here. With four years' hindsight, the IFL did not take off and did not significantly influence the sport of MMA.

What is significant about the camp is that it trained many many MMA champions including UFC champions and for this reason will be remembered centrally in MMA history. I suggest replacing this whole section with a list of championships won by camp fighters. I have heard it claimed in articles that Barb Honchak's win of the IFC Flyweight Championship was the camp's 15th world championship. The page should reflect this.

I am happy to delete this section and replace it with something else myself but felt it was better to put this here and recieve feedback before deleting someone else's work. Taevan (talk) 21:15, 19 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taevan (talk • contribs) 21:11, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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