Talk:Migration

Deleted story

Have removed the following, as it is a specific example of migration and not migration in general, suggest creating a new article or edit this here

Khukri ^{(talk . contribs)} 12:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Izmir Alkanzur I

 A true story of migration

Anyone object to converting this to a WP:MOSDAB-like disambiguation page? I'm not sure how cleanly it can be done. If there are concerns, I'll post a trial version here first. If I don't hear any, I'll do it "in place." (John User:Jwy talk) 19:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC) i hate migraton i hate homework

Aye. I'm the one that changed the official status - let's face it, this is far more like one than an article. But it could use pushing into official format. (and possibly a stub article actually on migration? Adam Cuerden ^talk 23:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

To me, this looks much more like an article than like a disambiguation page. It contains a substantive, if brief, discussion of the topic, rather than merely pointing to other articles on similarly-named topics. --Russ (talk) 13:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. A disambiguation page is sorely needed with this article. What we have are mostly unrelated stubs stuck together to look like an article. I believe the articles should be split with a disambiguation page. Sure, not all of the resulting articles will result in acceptable articles, but splitting them will call attention to this and may result in better articles being written.--65.190.103.147 08:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

weird

Some one has deleted most of the stuff in this page. What is going on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.103.147 (talk • contribs)

The page has been changed to a disambiguation page (although it has MORE information on it that is usually useful for disambiguation purposes). (John User:Jwy talk) 18:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Move

Looking back at the history, I apparently made a wrong assumption that Migration was moved to here and it might have been the wrong thing to move this talk page - but I think the content here is appropriate. (John User:Jwy talk) 18:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed "unreferenced"

This was already solidly a disambig page, and I just tweaked and trimmed it to make it even more so. As such, I removed the "unreferenced" tag, since there is very little info here, and most of that is summarized from other articles. Fredwerner 05:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

TOC interrupts

The TOC pops up at just the wrong place. Jidanni 15:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I tried in in both Firefox and IE and it renders correctly.--Svetovid 16:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

$ w3m -dump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration
Migration refers to directed, regular, or systematic movement of a group of
objects, organisms, or people, including:

Contents

 • 1 Human migration|C
     □ 1.1 Historical migration of people|C

"including Contents?" Jidanni 04:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Manifest destiny

Shouldn't the westward migration in the US of manifest destiny be listed under historical migrations? Not sure if manifest destiny is the article to link to, but it is definitely important for this topic.

71.212.27.154 05:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC) 71.212.27.154 05:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

migration

migration is about birds moving —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.145.19 (talk) 17:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

== Migration (ecology) == Maybe? Hmmmmmm....

Migration is a key concept in ecology, and even in population genetics and other fields. I think it needs a true article about it, but I am not sure weather it should be on this page and move the current content to Migration (desambiguation) or make that article in Migration (ecology). Any thoughts? GoEThe (talk) 21:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Article "Migration" and DPAGE

From creation to June 2007, this was an article on migration. In September 2015, someone again converted this to be an article on migration. The edit history on this page therefore is a mix between the time it has been a disambiguation page and article page. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 04:27, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 27 September 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: withdrawn. Steel1943 (talk) 23:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

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• Migration → Migration (disambiguation)
• Animal migration → Migration

– At the least, redirect Migration to Animal migration per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Alternately, move Migration to Migration (disambiguation) and then move Animal migration to Migration since that article seems to be the primary topic for a broad-concept article for the term "migration". Steel1943 (talk) 17:21, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. Why? There's human migration and animal migration, and many other types of migration, not to mention the albums, etc. called "Migration". Any reason to believe that 50%+ of the people going to the Migration page want any one of those pages in particular? Dohn joe (talk) 18:34, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

• For one, humans are animals, so the idea of Animal migration being a broad-concept article would make Human migration a subtopic. Also, when referring to humans, the more relevant term is actually a variation of "migration" that has a somewhat similar but different meaning: Immigration. Steel1943 (talk) 19:57, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

You have forgotten another equally important article in connection with human migration, which is Emigration. --Epipelagic (talk) 21:50, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Good point. That word isn't "migration" either. "Migration" seemingly has a very strong connection with animal migration. Steel1943 (talk) 23:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose – There is a general convention that when the word "animal" is used in terms such as "animal migration", the scope of the term defaults to non-human animals. You can easily check this by examining the usage of "animal migration" on Google Scholar. There are over 1000 other Wikipedia articles that also have the word "animal" in their title. In nearly every case, the article is confined to non-human animals. The article on animal migration covers a major topic in its own right and needs expanding. There is nothing to be gained by conflating it with human migration. --Epipelagic (talk) 21:50, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Epipelagic: I do not see how several Wikipedia articles also containing the word "animal" in its title invalidates my claim; to me, that just states that those titles need disambiguation on one way or another due to their respective lack of disambiguation by their related ambiguous terms. By the way, Ialso stated an alternate proposal above ... It seems like the point stated above may validate Migration to Animal migration as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. (However, I just noticed that most top book results that I am finding refer to "human migration" when just looking up "migration", so I'm about to withdraw this proposal since I no longer believe that this proposal is appropriate, and is now a waste of the community's time.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

• Okay, but referring to 1,354 articles as "several" articles is a strange misuse of language. --Epipelagic (talk) 23:53, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
  • I disagree, given my point above about ambiguous titles since large or small numbers have no bearing on my opinion in the matter. But either way, as seen above, I've withdrawn this request. Steel1943 (talk) 23:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit request

Please add a see also section to the bottom of the page

==See also==
* [[Immigration]]
* [[Emigration]]
* [[Migrant (disambiguation)]]

-- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

•  Done. Steel1943 (talk) 07:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

PTMs

There are a few WP:PTMs here and there (I've just removed one or two of the most obvious ones), but there are plenty of appropriate entries. JHunterJ, you know very well that a dab page lists the encyclopedic meanings of an ambiguous term, it's not just an index of articles whose titles follow a certain format. When most people talk of migration, they mean International migration, so that article is clearly not a PTM. Many of the other topics listed can also be referred to as just "migration" in the appropriate general context. However, there are some entries that need investigating; for example, is molecular diffusion really known as "migration"? And when plants migrate by seed dispersal, is that a different kind of process from Migration (ecology)? – Uanfala (talk) 21:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I know very well that a dab page doesn't list WP:PTMs just because people inside an area of study refer to it as a simpler term but people outside that area do not, which these seem to be, and that clogging up the top of the disambiguation page with what should be List of kinds of migrations hinders readers who are looking for the topics that could have an encyclopedia title of just "Migration". And you know very well I didn't remove the list of topics, but relocated them to the See also section, so the dab page still listed them, and usefully. -- JHunterJ (talk) 10:33, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Part of my point was that these are not different kinds of migration, they're not subtopics of a big topic called Migration (that we don't have an article about that is a clear indicator here). They're distinct, often unrelated, topics that happen to have the same name, and whose articles are titled using natural disambiguation. Of course, they're borderline cases – for example, most of the computing entries appear to be aspects of one broad topic and conceivably one can write a broad article Migration (computing), which we will then link directly. – Uanfala (talk) 10:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that molecular diffusion belongs on this DAB page at all. To me, migration always conveys ideas of direction and purpose; whereas molecular diffusion is essentially statistical and random, unless there's some sort of driving force as in e.g. centrifugation and dialysis. However, everything else on the page looks to be in its proper place. Narky Blert (talk)

Well, ideally we'd need subject matter experts here. I can't say I don't share your intuition about directionality, but I wouldn't completely trust that, especially given how many results you can find online for strings like "Brownian migration" or "random migration". – Uanfala (talk) 17:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I've never heard the term "Brownian migration"; Brownian motion is random. I've also identified an article which appears to be missing from every WP I've looked at - Dialysis (chemistry), which was a process used industrially until at least 1980 to my knowledge. It's extraordinarily difficult to search online, the results are swamped by renal dialysis. Narky Blert (talk) 06:40, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

That "missing article" resolved itself into a paragraph in dialysis (biochemistry), and four paragraphs of WP:OR on the Talk Page. Narky Blert (talk) 16:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)