Talk:Mehmet Ali

Proposed deletion

As Mehmet/Muhammad and Mehemet seem to be the same name, there are several whose personal name appears to have been this. I nominated this for clean-up but didn't remove any as I'm not an expert on Arabic names. What are the reasons for the speedy? (I'm not saying it's wrong, just unsure on the reasoning) Boleyn3 (talk) 21:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Not so much speedy, just judged it the appropriate course of action. A disambiguation page normally has one single term that can be many things. This one has a list of names beginning "Mehmet Ali", which goes against WP:MOSDAB:

“ On a page called Title, do not create entries merely because Title is part of the name (see Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Lists).

Common examples:

• Title County
• Title City
• Title Hospital
• Title University

”

To make matters worse, there are plenty of other articles in existence with titles beginning "Mehmet Ali" that don't appear on this page: try typing Mehmet Ali in the search box and you'll see a lot more. The user is hardly helped by being diverted here and missing a lot of them. As to finding similar names, well, the list would get pretty vast and not be very usable in my opinion. What do you think, from WP:MOSDAB? PL290 (talk) 22:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I was unsure if they were the same name, just transliterated differently from the Arabic, or different names. When I looked into it, most of them seem to have had their names written in most of the possible ways, e.g. Muhammad, Mohamed, Mehmet, Mehemet. I've deleted the entries where it looks to be clearly just part of their names. I think it would be best to merge this page to Mehemet Ali, which seems to be a valid dab. The primary use of Mehemet Ali has been judged to be Muhammad I of Egypt, who as the Ottoman rule would have had his name written and pronounced differently across his various territories. If he is the primary target, then the dab would need to remain as Mehemet Ali (soldier) seems a valid entry, and as people may be confused, a link to Muhammad Ali dab would be important. However, perhaps Mehemet Ali should be merged to Muhammad Ali dab? Boleyn3 (talk) 05:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

That sounds eminently reasonable. It looks fine after your change. Re. the proposed merger, I agree in principle (and no one else seems to be objecting); however, now that you've clarified the entries, I don't think it is exactly a merger: from my reading of this, since there is in this case a primary topic, Muhammad Ali of Egypt, the latter should have a disambiguation link to Mehemet Ali (disambiguation) at the top (which it indeed has) and Mehmet Ali should become a redirect to Muhammad Ali of Egypt. PL290 (talk) 07:24, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

That sounds like a good solution. Boleyn (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. PL290 (talk) 21:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)