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Am on this to get what i want to know am Aiko too (talk) 17:23, 1 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Project-independent quality assessmentsEdit

Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

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However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vulpius and surname templatesEdit

If I go to Vulpius, it transcludes Template:Fox-surname, which displays the text Family names derived from the word "fox", and an image of the fox. There are two problems with this

  1. The claim that "Vulpius" derives from a word meaning "fox" is uncited.
  2. On a mobile, the template does not appear at all, so that claim does not appear. The picture of the fox, however, does appear (though only in preview, not when viewing the article) - and is thus completely unexplained.

We could get round this by adding the origin to the article - but I dislike adding information to articles without a source, and my google-fu has failed to come up with any source for "Vulpius", never mind a reliable one. I agree that it is likely to come from "vulpes", but I have not found a source.

The reason I am posting here is that I think that this is a wider problem than just this article. Template:Fox-surname lists 24 names. Five of these are not links to articles (and so do not belong in a navigation template); most of the articles mention that the name means "fox" - Renard and Zorro do not - but citation is not required since the name directly means "fox" or "foxes". Vulpius is the only one, I think, where the name is altered. ColinFine (talk) 22:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm not an expert on German surnames, but I do know that a lot of prominent German speakers used Latinized versions of their original surnames, and if you look at the earliest entry on this page, Melchior Vulpius—although it's not in the English version, it is in the German one—his name was originally Melchior Fuchs. Vulpius is exactly how the Romans would have derived a nomen gentilicium, what we would call a surname (our usage differs slightly, in that the Latin "cognomen", or surname, referred to an additional surname following the gentilicium, but the gentilicium was the essential family name handed down from father to son).
Although I did not expect to find any results in Roman epigraphy, just for the sake of thoroughness I checked the Clauss-Slaby Datenbank a few minutes ago, and found an example of a Roman with this very name! Marcus Vulpius Optatus was a freedman of the imperial household, who buried his wife, Mutia Isias, aged thirty-three, at Rome (undated, but likely first- or second-century, given the form of the names). There's also an inscription from Ocriculum in Umbria, ostensibly the grave of a Marcus Vulpius Nepos, aged six, dedicated by his father, of the same name. However, this inscription might be a modern forgery.
Now, you could cite a Latin dictionary for vulpes, but Vulpius is likely too rare a surname to show up in discussions of Roman names. The best I could do is point to Chase's "The Origin of Roman Praenomina" (1897), where there is an exemplary (providing examples, certainly not intended to be complete, if such a thing were even possible) list of gentilicia derived from ordinary things (including animals, but I don't believe mentioning "Vulpius"). It's from Harvard Studies in Classical Philology, and the article is available from the Internet Archive. I wish I knew where you could document the name's etymology, but I don't know what resources are available for German surnames. P Aculeius (talk) 02:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are a large number of questionable surname templates which were created by the same editor in 2022. They were topic-banned from the area of names in Nov 2022 and subsequently indeffed because they ignored the ban. PamD 07:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See also WP:NAVIMAGES: "images are rarely appropriate in navboxes." There is no need for a pretty piccy of a fox in this template, or a knight in {{Knight-surname}}. PamD 08:29, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have added the derivation to Vulpius, with a {{cn}}, and posted on Talk:Vulpius explaining why I have done so. --ColinFine (talk) 12:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

María de …Edit

It surprises me that there seems to be no article about names like (María del) Rosario, (María de) Guadalupe and so on. —Tamfang (talk) 02:40, 25 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Tamfang: I was just thinking the same thing recently. I began working in one of my sandboxes for an article on Marian names.★Trekker (talk) 10:34, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Miguel - separate given name? merge?Edit

Hi from Project Disambiguation!

I'm wondering if Miguel (disambiguation) should be shifted to a "given name" list, or merged with Miguel (surname) into a larger "name" list. The name obviously has some interesting notability - see Chicano names, whose mention of de-Anglicizing Chicano names made me intrigued - but not sure how to proceed. Kawa (talk) 17:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@ProcGenKawa: Miguel is a very common given name, I think a separate page for it would be good, merging with Miguel (surname) I would oppose.★Trekker (talk) 17:53, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion at Template talk:Family name hatnote#Merging in efn templatesEdit

Hi all! FYI, there are plans to adjust the code of {{Family name hatnote}} so that its text can also be used as a core for the explanatory footnote template. This should be a purely technical change that will not have any impact on the existing uses of the hatnote template. Please feel free to let us know if you have any comments. Best, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 19:55, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]