Talk:Mary Miller

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The result of the move request was not moved. Aervanath (talk) 15:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

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Mary Miller (disambiguation) → Mary Miller — Current main Mary Miller isn't particularly more significant than others, so the disamb should be the main Mary Miller. King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 07:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. Here are the stats:
  • Mary Miller (disambiguation) 0 (newly created)
  • Mary Millar 5,589
  • Mary Miller (actress) 275
  • Mary Miller[1] 679
  • Mary Millicent Miller 567 (newly created)
  • Mary Miller Glasscock 32 (newly created)
• At worst the only thing to do is wait a couple of months and then look at the traffic. The only conflict is between the author and the actress, and there is no contest there. 199.125.109.88 (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Current Mary Miller is only so high due to being the author of various books used in Mesoamerican topics; she herself is insignificant. Also, are these stats the monthly or daily stats? They need context.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 22:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Previous month, which is the default.[2] 199.125.109.135 (talk) 01:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
• oppose. Insignificant? Seriously? She—the 'art historian'—is an internationally recognised and published scholar, author of a dozen or more books, scores more titles in academic papers, conference proceedings, curated exhibitions. She has been on the faculty at Yale University—it would be facetious of me to ask if you've heard of it—for almost thirty years. She is now the Dean of Yale College, which is to say, the Dean of Yale University's entire undergraduate studies program. In essence she now runs half of one of the world's most recognisable and prestigious universities. As academic career achievements go, that one's pretty hard to play down and call 'insignificant'. I have some more specific objections to the rename/move proposal, but I've already covered them over at talk:Mary Miller so I won't repeat them here; but pls consider those comments part of this response too. --cjllw ʘ TALK 15:30, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
• Strong support. If anything one can make the point that Mary Miller (actress) is the primary use. Just because some one writes books and they are used as sources in articles is not a good way to determine primary use. I'd argue that the 59 references used to write the Mary Miller (actress) implies a much more notable person and better makes the case then another article that is based on only a single reference. I think that adding Mary Millar in the list of statistics confuses many since it is just a similar spelling and that would be better handled as a See also on the dab page. Obviously this means that the current page needs to be disambiguated to Mary Miller (art historian) to allow the dab page to be moved. Using the statistics provided in opposition to this proposal clearly shows that, if anything, the current article does not even receive a majority of the hits. So while that is not a good way of proving primary use, in this case it makes a strong case that there is no obvious primary use so the dab page should be moved. Looking at the numbers in a less biased way you see:
  • Mary Miller (disambiguation) 0 (newly created)
  • Mary Miller (actress) 275
  • Mary Miller 679
  • Mary Millicent Miller 567 (newly created)
  • Mary Miller Glasscock 32 (newly created)

Vegaswikian (talk) 23:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You appear to be clearly mistaking the difference between most often of any other vs. most often of all other. Primary use refers only to of any other, meaning that the only two you compare are the most used, Mary Miller receiving 679 hits, and Mary Miller (actress), receiving 275 hits. Those are the only two that are in conflict. If, however, it turns out that the two newly created articles were incorrectly named, and should have been Mary Miller (dis), then you will need to wait a few months to obtain reliable stats to see which is the primary topic. Right now it is Mary Miller. I say wait three months and review the situation then. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 02:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.