Talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe/GA1
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Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 15:20, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
First, let me apologize to everyone involved that I posted some of my comments to the talk page instead coming straight here with them. I wanted to give this one an extra chance, but instead I seem to have only muddied the waters--lesson learned. In any case, it's not fair for me to kick the can down the road to another reviewer when the article is significantly incomplete.
There are some things this article does excellently, such as detailing all the "easter eggs" and cross-references of the MCU, or reports of planned future films. But it contains surprisingly little discussion of the MCU as a whole, though hundreds of resources exist on this topic.
For example:
- There is no discussion of the source material (the Marvel Universe) in the article's body. At a minimum, the body of the article needs to point out that this is based on comic books(!!!), but ideally, it would also discuss how Marvel popularized this shared universe structure and give some mention to Stan Lee for creating it as well as most major characters of the MCU.[1]
- There's little discussion of why Marvel came to take a shared universe approach.[2]
- There's no discussion of the fact--outside of the Feige quotation in a box--that having this many movies in a shared universe was something new,[3] or the way it's becoming a model for other studios.[4][5]
- There's almost no discussion of the business practices that underpin the MCU project, like six- and nine-picture contracts for the lead actors, or Marvel's arrangements with directors. Small example: "When they hired Kenneth Branagh to direct “Thor” and Joe Johnston (”The Rocketeer”) to make “Captain America,” they made sure both filmmakers were open to the idea that they were playing in a shared sandbox, and would be receptive to tackling “Avengers” setup scenes."
- There's no discussion of the plots of the movies, though their shooting locations are oddly detailed. A reader unfamiliar with the MCU would be utterly lost as to what it's even about; just adding a few sentences like "In Captain America, an experimental American super soldier battles a Nazi organization for control of a powerful artifact during World War II" would be very helpful.
- There's no discussion of critical response to the shared universe project--in fact, not a single critic appears to be quoted in the article. But many critics have commented on the MCU project as a whole, and its reception shouldn't be discussed solely in metacritic scores for individual movies. Examples: [6][7]
Done. Although more would be helpful, if they can be found. --TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:55, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
It's not that I feel every one of these points is mandatory (though source material, brief plot summaries, and critical reception probably are), but the larger point is simply that though there are many sources discussing the MCU as a whole (I've provided just a few examples here), the article uses almost none of them. As such, it can't be considered to cover the main aspects of the topic, and will need significant expansion to qualify for GA.
I do really appreciate all the work that's been done on this on already, so please don't read any of the above as disrespect. As one of the most successful franchises in film history, it deserves a great article, and I hope work here will continue! And if you disagree with my review here, you can, of course, renominate this for GA at any time, including today. (You can also take it to GAR, though frankly a renomination at GA is probably faster the way GAR runs these days.) But I hope you'll consider revising to include at least some of the above, so this article can cover the MCU as a whole as well as its constituent parts. Best of luck to all those working on this one, and thanks for your efforts. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:20, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for taking the time to suggest these additions to the page, many of which, now that you mention them, I can see trying to add. I was not online fast enough today to let you know that I would have withdrawn the GA nom until these were addressed, but nonetheless, they will still try to be added to the article. As you suggested them, any help you would like to give to adding this info on the page would be appreciated. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:15, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Favrefan, I'm currently in the middle of research to bring United Nations to GA status, but I will try to pitch in here if I get done with that reasonably soon. Hopefully some of the sources I've named above will give you a start, and of course some of the basic stuff (Stan Lee created these characters, a one-sentence plot summary of each movie) should be readily available or not needing citation at all. Good luck! Again, I really appreciate everything y'all are doing here. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes no worries. I believe myself and Triiiple at least to start, will get on starting this, so if you happen to see something we missed after we have started, by all means suggest it to me or add it. Or if you would chose to stay out, would that make you a better candidate to review it again? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- It's probably better that I not be a reviewer a second time, just so you can get a fresh set of eyes on it. But I will keep a watch on the page and chime in on revisions/review if there's any way I can help. I can't really think of anything else that's missing besides what's listed above, but I read a fair amount of movie news each week, so I'll try to link you guys anything useful I come across. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:44, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Great. Thank you very much. You can let me know either on my talk, or in my sandbox, where I've copied over what you said, just so we can mark it up as done or needs work, etc. anything you may find that you feel will add to the page. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm working on covering a few these points now, Favre1fan93 got most of the plot summaries. This should be completed soon if anybody wants to help out.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:07, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes. I just did a layout update (I hope) and added some more. I will need to clean up the ref additions I did, but then will try to find general critical reception to add. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:07, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm working on covering a few these points now, Favre1fan93 got most of the plot summaries. This should be completed soon if anybody wants to help out.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:07, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Great. Thank you very much. You can let me know either on my talk, or in my sandbox, where I've copied over what you said, just so we can mark it up as done or needs work, etc. anything you may find that you feel will add to the page. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- It's probably better that I not be a reviewer a second time, just so you can get a fresh set of eyes on it. But I will keep a watch on the page and chime in on revisions/review if there's any way I can help. I can't really think of anything else that's missing besides what's listed above, but I read a fair amount of movie news each week, so I'll try to link you guys anything useful I come across. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:44, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes no worries. I believe myself and Triiiple at least to start, will get on starting this, so if you happen to see something we missed after we have started, by all means suggest it to me or add it. Or if you would chose to stay out, would that make you a better candidate to review it again? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Favrefan, I'm currently in the middle of research to bring United Nations to GA status, but I will try to pitch in here if I get done with that reasonably soon. Hopefully some of the sources I've named above will give you a start, and of course some of the basic stuff (Stan Lee created these characters, a one-sentence plot summary of each movie) should be readily available or not needing citation at all. Good luck! Again, I really appreciate everything y'all are doing here. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)