Talk:Mark MacPhail

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because Mark MacPhail was the victim of a very highly publicized murder case that has gone to the Supreme Court repeatedly and led the Court, for the first time in 47 years, to order an evidentiary hearing be conducted under its original jurisdiction. The MacPhail case has received worldwide attention. A parallel to MacPhail would be Officer Faulkner, who was murdered by Mumia abu-Jamal. Officer Faulkner has an article on WP.--Bundlesofsticks (talk) 00:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The "highly publicized murder case" has more to do with the person convicted of the crime than the victim. See Troy Davis case. As a victim, MacPhail has virtually no notability at all.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. The reason the case garnered all the attention it did is because the murder victim was a police officer. If Troy Davis had murdered the fellow he shot at earlier the same evening, it would have gotten a tiny story on page 3 of the Savannah paper. The paper would not have sent a reporter to the trial. Subsequent appeals by Davis to the Supreme Court et al also would have been unremarkable. As a result of Davis's murder of a police officer and his fleeing Savannah for Atlanta, the case got nationwide (or at least Southernwide) coverage in its initial proceedings.Bundlesofsticks (talk) 00:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

There is a 12K article about Daniel Faulkner, murdered by Mumia Abu Jamal and article of similar length about Ronald Goldman, for whose homicide O.J. Simpson was held civilly liable.Bundlesofsticks (talk) 00:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm tending to agree with User:Bundlesofsticks forthis one. Considering i thought this was spam at first, I do remember hearing about this story and Officer MacPhail as a Victim. If not a new page, than at the very least, a merge with Troy Davis CaseBailo26 (talk) 00:49, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I can go for that. This page got started when user bbb23 deleted the content from the Troy Davis case page.Bundlesofsticks (talk) 00:52, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There's no doubt the case is well-known, just not the victim. Bundle is working hard to get the same information in this new article in the Troy Davis article, even though it doesn't really belong there, either, because the article doesn't focus on the murder per se but on Davis's legal issues. Nonetheless, Bundle has put a new section on the victim in the article with the same large picture of MacPhail. I wouldn't call the MacPhail article "spam", but the only interest Bundle seems to have at Wikipedia is the Davis article and now this new article. At the same time, though I hate to say it, even though I believe the MacPhail article should be deleted, I'm not sure it qualifies for speedy deletion.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Upon reviewing the Troy Davis case article i see there is already a section on Officer MacPhail. I would therefore propose a merge and then a deletion as this article does contain more information on MacPhail than the article on the case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bailo26 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

My Apologies for being slow. I agree a speedy deletion is unwarrented. However i am now unsure of how to proceed. (im still learning) Bailo26 (talk) 01:00, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The section in the Davis article may not remain. At least I certainly hope not. :-) As for proceeding, an admin will review the speedy deletion and delete the article or decline to.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:01, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Keep or merge. Definitely not a candidate for speedy.24.61.213.154 (talk) 01:59, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with User:Kinu's redirect to the Troy Davis case. MacPhail's sole notability is as a murder victim. As such he does not meet the criteria for an standalone article. See (in particular) WP:VICTIM, WP:ONEVENT and WP:BIOSlp1 (talk) 12:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)