Talk:Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus

Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus & Lucius Iunius Brutus were both Etruscans!

Aruns(brother of Tarquinius Priscus) > Egerius > Tarquinius Collatinus

http://www.ancientlibrary.com/smith-bio/3310.html Böri (talk) 12:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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Indeed! Marcus Iunius Brutus and Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus, the first pair of Roman consuls were both Etruscan and close parents of the King Lucius Tarquinius Priscus: Marcus Iunius Brutus was a maternal nephew of the King, which means that last King was is "avunculus" (that means maternal uncle in English). Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus was great-nephew of the king, which means the king was is "patruus" (that means paternal uncle in English). In spite of the myth of the Rape of Lucretia, it quite obvious that their rebellion had no other purpose but to disinherit the legitimate sons of the King to get the inheritance for themselves! Marcus Iunius Brutus was closest to the King, but his claim was only matrilineal. Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus had the better claim, since he was a patrilineal nephew and used the King's very name: Lucius Tarquinius (praenomen and nomen are the same). It is to be supposed that that a conflict between the two first consuls was unavoidable, but both died before the term of office (one year). Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus died some weeks after is inauguration, being replaced by Publius Valerius Pulblicola (sabin by origin and main political leader for the next years). Shortly afterwards in the same year Marcus Iunius Brutus was slain by his one cousin Aruns Tarquinius, the second son of the king, and replaced by Spurius Lucretius, a very old man which himself died before the term of office (with was the end of the Year) and was then replaced by Marcus Horatius Pulvillus (probably the first consul of true latin origin). It seems that was Publius Valerius Publicola that consecrated the inheritance of King to the god Mars. The first pair of consuls would never do it, since both has personal claims to the inheritance. I just made a small modification on the article about Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus, pacing commas between his father and his grandfather names. Commas Were not used in Latin but i this that makes the article more understandable to the english reader. Needless to say the name of both men was Aruns a etruscan name often used by the Tarquinii!

Not sure what you're trying to say. None of this is a revelation, and all of it can be inferred or guessed by reading the various articles on these persons. However, much of the motivation behind these legendary events—the historicity of which is not universally accepted—is little more than speculation. It may seem "obvious" to you what the reasons were, but you need a reliable source to support your assertion that those were the reasons. Further, Collatinus was not the King's nephew; he was either a first or second cousin, since his father, Arruns, also known as Egerius, was not Tarquin's brother, but his cousin. Not sure what you're arguing about with respect to which of these figures should be regarded as Latin, Sabine, or Etruscan, since there's no evidence that racial politics were involved in any way. All later tradition held that the Junii were Roman; no source suggests that Brutus was somehow "tainted" by an Etruscan mother. The only change you made was to add commas in a filiation, which is never done, and which certainly doesn't make the article more readable. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages, as it says below. P Aculeius (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)