Talk:Loving Someone/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Another review for you; I have heard this song quite a lot and definitely like it! --K. Peake 07:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Recording date is unsourced  Done
• "a jam session using chopped vocal stems," → "a jam session, using a chopped vocal stem,"  Done
• "completing the band's "Paris"." → "completing the band's track "Paris"."  Done
• "is a commentary on" → "is a commentary centred on"  Done
• Remove pipe on raps  Done
• There are only two music festivals mentioned in the body so write one or more here, plus remove the rainbow lighting part since it's not notable for the lead  Done
• "and liberal Americans." → "and gay Americans." per the body  Not done

• Healy speech in the second para of the "Promotion" section mentions "the left" and "liberals". I feel that changing it to gay Americans" would be a little redundant, since the sentence already mentions the LGBT community. Giacobbe ^talk 21:52, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• "the band's performances, critcising" → "the band's performances, including ones criticising"  Done
• "due to the strict" → "due to the"  Done

• I think strict is appropriate in this case since the punishment for homosexual acts is death. Giacobbe ^talk 18:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• (CA)Giacobbe Are you sure including this word is not too much detail for the lead? --K. Peake 08:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: Yes, I am sure. Anti-LGBT laws is a vague term; it encompasses everything from outlawing gay marriage and restricting LGBT couples from adopting, to jail time and death. Highlighting that the laws are “strict” is definitely not too much detail for the lead. However, it is clear that you have a different opinion, so I’m assuming you want it removed before the article is passed. Giacobbe ^talk 12:36, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

• Remove wikilink on United Arab Emirates  Done
• Add info about the synopsis of the video, plus doesn't this belong before the performances in the lead?  Done

• The paragraph is organized chronologically, mirroring the format of the "Promotion" section. Giacobbe ^talk 21:58, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• (CA)Giacobbe This is the lead though so order is different, plus it does not include all promotional info like in the body so move the video accordingly here. --K. Peake 08:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Background and development

• Like in the previous review, I have to ask why is [3] here when the succeeding prose backs up critical and commercial success?  Done

• Some reviewers want statements such as the opening sentence to be referenced verbatim. Giacobbe ^talk 21:19, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• "He began creating the song" → "He allegedly began creating the song" per the source  Done
• "to create a piece" → "to write a piece" to be less repetitive  Done
• "a succinct part was created," → "a succinct part was created thereafter,"  Done
• "from the band's "Paris"." → "from fellow album track "Paris"."  Done

Music and lyrics

• Audio sample text looks good, but remove pipe on rapping  Done
• [17] only mentions electronic production and this doesn't work as a source for the genre; I can't access FT but if that only mentions R&B, then move the electronic part to being in the production sentence instead  Done
• "of four minutes and 20 seconds (4:20)." → "of 4 minutes and 20 seconds (4:20)." per MOS:NUM  Done
• Split the information from the commentary onwards into a separate para  Done
• Remove pipe on rapping  Done
• [25] should also be after [24] as well as before [26] due to the youth culture part  Done
• "and obsession with" → "as well as an obsession with"  Done
• "while singing "I'm the" → "when singing "I'm the"  Done

Release and reception

• Mention what radio station the song was released to in the United Kingdom as a single  Done

• Do artists release singles exclusively to one radio station in the UK? Interesting, I assumed it was a blanket release, as is common in NA. Giacobbe ^talk 21:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• Introduce "Somebody Else" as a fellow album track and start B-side with capitalisation  Done
• Per The Diamondback not being uni funded, I doubt it violates WP:RSSM
• Pipe pop to Pop music  Done
• "praised "Loving Someone"'s" → "praised the song's"  Done
• "and "melodic sheen" and wrote that it" → "and "melodic sheen", writing that it" to avoid confusion about whether you are referencing the song or those elements  Done
• "Jarod Johnson II of Paste ranked the song at number 18 on the publication's list of the 1975's essential songs and felt its" → "Paste ranked the song at number 18 on their list of the 1975's essential songs, with Jarod Johnson II feeling its"  Done

Promotion and music video

• Retitle to Promotion, as it is ordered chronologically with the video being in the middle of live performances and before promo clothing  Done
• "the band dedicated the song as" → "the band performed the song as"  Done
• "was lit with" → "were lit with"  Done
• "the band's manager, Jamie Osborn, revealed" → "the 1975's manager Jamie Osborn revealed"  Done

• Both versions are grammatically correct. Giacobbe ^talk 18:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• (CA)Giacobbe Change to "the 1975" though, as the most recent instance mentioned them as "the band". --K. Peake 08:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

• "did not stand for" → "do not stand for"  Done
• "by Donald Trump's" → "by then-president elect Donald Trump's" with the wikilink  Done
• "and the US presidential elections for" → "and the presidential election for"  Done
• "all of this shit."" → "all of this shit"." per MOS:QUOTE, unless you add the rest of that sentence from the source  Done
• "An accompanying music video for "Loving Someone" was" → "The music video was" per you already having mentioning its existence  Done
• ""washing" over the" → ""wash[ing]" over the" to correctly reword the quote  Done
• "of the band performing" → "of the 1975 performing"  Done
• The part about them uploading should be next to the music video's release date, as that belongs before synopsis  Done
• "In April, the 1975" → "In April 2017, the 1975"  Done
• Use the term hoodie instead of hooded sweatshirt, as they are not the same  Done
• "the band, and Healy dedicated" → "the band and Healy dedicated" per British English  Done
• "at Hangout Music Festival" → "at the Hangout Music Festival"  Done
• "objects at the band. The 1975 were" → "objects at the 1975. They were"  Done
• "In August, the band" → "In August 2019, the band"  Done
• "in the country." → "in the United Arab Emirates."  Done
• "to pull the singer off the stage and sought to arrest him." → "to pull the 1975 off the stage and sought to arrest the singer."  Done
• The endangering of the fan and reasoning behind it being connected to Twitter is unsourced  Not done

• The reasoning is not connected to Twitter. Healy endangered the fan, and then faced backlash on Twitter, per the source:

• "...which drew criticism online for potentially endangering the fan involved.."
• "...but reading the reaction on Twitter made him consider..." Giacobbe ^talk 18:27, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• "apologised for the "irresponsible" incident but" → "admitted the incident was "irresponsible" but"  Done

Track listing and formats

• Retitle to Track listing
• Remove the streaming and digital download one because that is the album release

Credits and personnel

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks decent at 39.0%
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 21
• Author-link Simon Hattenstone on ref 28
• Wikilink The Line of Best Fit on ref 33
• Use the via parameter for YouTube instead on ref 39, plus cite Vevo as publisher

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; reviewed at a quicker pace today due to not working! --K. Peake 14:07, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you, Kyle Peake for the speedy review. I'm glad you enjoyed the song! Giacobbe ^talk 21:59, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: I think I’ve addressed all of your remaining comments. Let me know if I’ve overlooked anything! Giacobbe ^talk 12:36, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

• @(CA)Giacobbe: ✓ Pass now, this is good but I understand why you did not implement certain changes! --K. Peake 12:39, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

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