Talk:List of screamo bands

Screamo?

Can we by any chance get the "screamo" band list page written by somebody who actually knows what screamo is! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.74.177.136 (talk • contribs)

None of these are like the original.Where the hell are Orchid,City Of Caterpillar,Funeral Diner,Circle Takes The square,Indian Summer & Envy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.111.201 (talk) 17:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

To the above comments: Welcome to Wikipedia "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" - please correct/expand the list as you see fit. Thank you, ThaddeusB (talk) 17:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

maybe it would be a good idea to create a template in this article like in this list List of punk bands, 0–K... ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 03:02, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

It would also be nice to keep the list in alphabetical order.. ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 03:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, I had a crack at filtering out all the metalcore and post-hardcore bands which are unaffiliated with the screamo genre. This list should now properly reflect the genre in question.

Do not remove any bands that have references.. ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 22:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Also do not add bands who do not have an article. Thanks. ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 22:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I give up, just because some web site labelled a crappy post-hardcore band 'screamo' does not make it true. If you want this page to be plain wrong... you're sure going the right way about it!

I guess you don't understand how wikipedia works. ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 01:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, it's really difficult to make this list halfway descent when a moderator is trying to post bands like BrokenCYDE on the list and is removing actual screamo bands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.46.245 (talk) 18:54, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

First, as near as I can tell no one other than you has been deleting blue links. (red links don't belong regardless of whether they are valid screamo bands or not.) Second, it is quite easy to define inclusion to the list: whatever an RS says is a screamo band is one - you don't get to override what RS say just b/c you think X band isn't a "real screamo band"

P.S. there is no such thing as a "moderator" on Wikipedia. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Do you have in idea what you're saying, though. I assure you I am not just deleting blue links, I am deleting links of bands that are no associated with the screamo subculture in ANY way. You can say brokenCYDE are a screamo band, I assure you that if you spent any time in the actual screamo underground you'd see things my way.

Thank you, sir. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.46.245 (talk) 05:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I am trying to explain to you how Wikipedia works. We don't relying on "truth" but rather verifiability. If a reliable source says band X is a screamo band, than it is a screamo band as far as Wikipedia is concerned. (No comment on the actual band(s) in question.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I suppose you could say that, however I don't think anyone could verify brokenCYDE as a screamo band -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.46.245 (talk) 21:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

If A site mentions a band as part of a musical genre or hyperlinks to a band stating they are related to that genre that counts as verifiability, right? --SentinelDuty (talk) 04:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

As long as the site is a reliable source, yes. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:08, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah. Yeah, I've not used ebay or myspace pages for that reason (also, the term screamo is rather controversial, and many screamo musicians do not like the term, thus it would be hard to verify going on what artists call themselves alone)--SentinelDuty (talk) 04:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

RichieStoner101 and I are working together on this article to improve it, the back and forth edits between us are not because of an edit way.--SentinelDuty (talk) 19:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The admin that keeps continuously breaking the style sheet and removing the columns is really getting on my nerves. This is starting to look like an edit war. Ugh. --SentinelDuty (talk) 22:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Please write the article first before adding in their listing. Especially since the listings added lead to an article completely unrelated. If the band is supposed to be notable enough for inclusion in the list then they should be notable enough for an article. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately due to the nature of the modern day screamo scene being noteworthy is subject to debate. In the first wave and second wave many bands got recognized that would be overlooked today. Bands like Bravo, Fucking Bravo and Phoenix Bodies are huge in the scene but generally overlooked by the mainstream. Oh well.

I would like to make note that referencing that a band plays a fusion genre or were influenced by a genre does not mean they play aforementioned genre. Bands like Attack! Attack! and brokeNCYDE may have borrowed some elements of their music from screamo or chaotic hardcore, but that does not mean that they are part of that genre. If x band played y genre but borrowed the vocal style from z genre then they are not part of z genre. BrokeNCYDE are crunkcore, meaning they are a fusion of post-hardcore and crunk with a vocal style borrowed from second wave screamo bands. It does not mean that they are screamo. Same goes for bands like Attack! Attack!, 3oh!3 and Breathe Carolina. Their relation to the genre is indirect, not direct.--SentinelDuty (talk) 07:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Also note: Heavy music plus screaming does not make a screamo band. Screamo has an actual set sound that is not just defined by a vocal style. It's rather obvious that vocal styles do not make a genre on their own. AFI are a hardcore punk band/post-hardcore band that happen to scream, however their music sounds nothing like any screamo band. The same could be said for nearly any band recently added to the list. Additionally post-hardcore is not screamo though they generally share somewhat similar song structure. --SentinelDuty (talk) 07:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Post hardcore is not screamo by default! Please stop adding bands like Alesana to the list as they play post hardcore. If you need a citation from a credible source on what actual screamo is I am more than willing to provided it.

Union of Uranus, One Eyed God Prophecy, Sed Non Satiata, Mine, Gantz, Optimus Prime, Marschak, Kite Flying Society, Daitro, Neil Perry, The Kodan Armada, The Sons of Saturn, The Saddest Landscape, and Four Hundred Years should all be added. Quite frankly I'm shocked that Union of Uranus, One Eyed God Prophecy, Sed Non Satiata, and Daitro haven't already been. Yeah, I'd have added them myself but I'm a noobie...

P.S. lol at whoever thought Brokencyde was Screamo... I guess they didn't read the Borkencyde page or the Screamo page. Scarch (talk) 07:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I removed On the Might of Princes. Whoever put them in the Screamo list, go look at their page and the sources there, On the Might of Princes are Post-Hardcore, not Screamo. Scarch (talk) 05:04, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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A brilliant solution

How about we just use reliable sources on this list? That should solve all of the debate over who should be on this list.--3family6 (talk) 17:36, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion of crunkcore artists

There has been some debate over crunkcore artists in this list in the past, and my recent reliably sourced additions of such artists are continually reverted by IPs. So I felt I should comment on why they warrant inclusion. Crunkcore is sourced as a fusion of crunk and screamo by the Boston Phoenix. Therefore, any artist described in a reliable source as crunkcore or its equivalent terms scrunk, screamo-crunk, or crunk rock, is a screamo artist. Yes, a crunkcore musician is not purely a screamo artist, but it means they are sourced as including screamo in their music. I am pretty certain that if one looks at reliable sources for even first wave screamo artists, you will find other styles mentioned as well (I would guess terms like "hardcore" or "emo"). Basically, what I am saying is that just because a band plays other styles as well, that must not keep them off the list, as virtually every music artist of any style uses more than one style.--3family6 (talk) 21:45, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Screamo is a form of emo/hardcore, anyway. The problem is that, despite the use of "screamo" in reference to crunkcore artists by some reliable sources, the style is disparate by definition and does not appear to draw anything from screamo. Even the screaming involved in crunkcore (when it is involved) sounds more metalcore-oriented. By definition, screamo is a style of post-hardcore/emo... at the very least, there must be guitars involved. Crunkcore occasionally has guitars, but the structures typically revolve around party beats. The lyrics are crunk-oriented, too. It doesn't make sense one way or the other, and any definition of "screamo" as vague as what those articles appear to be using could not stand at all. You'd have to include Everything from Eric Burdon to Gorgoroth under it. (Albert Mond (talk) 05:33, 12 February 2011 (UTC))

Thank you for actually taking this up on the talk page, you are the first to do so. But to the point, the references aren't vague at all. A "combination of crunk and screamo" is pretty clear, as is the term "screamo-crunk" by Revolver magazine, though I admit the Revolver article is otherwise vague. And if that is not enough, the Boston Phoenix also says that "scrunk" artists mix "lowest-common-denominator screamo with crunk beats." This does not specify just screamo vocals, it just says screamo, period.

I personally do not care one way or the other, and I am not familiar with screamo, though I'm sure I've heard it before. However, Wikipedia does not run primarily on expertise or opinion (though expertise is a factor), but on reliable sources. Again, thank you for actually discussing this, and hopefully a consensus will develop.--3family6 (talk) 13:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Just be glad I didn't put Ke$ha on the list, that would have really stirred up a hornets nest, hehe...--3family6 (talk) 20:47, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

This is original research, first you state all crunkcore bands are screamo, then state you only put the ones you like on here. I do not find your disrespect for Wikipedia policies amusing at all. And you are still using dead links for I set my friends on fire Syxxpackid420 (talk) 14:54, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the list is quite the opposite of original research as it is only relying on what RS say about bands instead of arbitrarily trying to decide who is "really" screamo. Also, is you are going to accuse people of disrespecting policy, who might want to cite some actual evidence of it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm okay with Kesha going on now. The above comment was made over a year ago, before the additional source for her being crunkcore was put on the crunkcore page today. Accusing me of violating policy because a year ago I opposed the addition of something that was just definitively resolved today is rather far fetched.--¿3family6 _contribs 16:46, 19 March 2012 (UTC

Sorry I read the date wrong thought it was from last month. I was actually saying crunkcore =/= screamo. And almost everyone on here is guilty of WP:Lame Screamo may once have referred to bands like The Orchids that you're chatting about, but meanings change. Nowadays people call just about anything they want screamo, but they certainly are within their rights to classify post hardcore and metalcore under this banner Syxxpackid420 (talk) 16:55, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Again with the accusations of policy violations without evidence. (You do realize LAME points to lamest edit wars right?) I do not believe anyone has engaged in an edit war, let alone an exceptionally lame one. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't think you have understood either of my points. Your inability to Be bold and Ignore All Rules is somewhat startling. But I have no objection to you adding Ke$ha to this article if really want to. Be warned it will attract vandalism though Syxxpackid420 (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

How is 3OH!3 screamo?

I've listened all of their songs multiple times, never once have I heard a screamed vocal. They really should be removed from this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.119.124.35 (talk) 19:26, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I have never heard 3OH!3, so I cannot personally vouch for their sound. The reason I have put them on this list is because they are sourced as crunkcore, which is a combination of screamo and crunk (it is called "scrunk" in the ref, and Revolver mag calls the style "screamo-crunk"). Basically, I have yet to find a source that directly calls them screamo, but they are sourced as crunkcore and the article cited does not mention a lack of screamo elements (i.e., like Revolver's crunkcore article does when discussing Millionaires). So, while you may be right in saying that they are not screamo, and from what I have read about them I would probably agree with you, reliable sources trump opinion, unless an editorial consensus can be established. Note: the above discussion would be a could place to start a move toward consensus.--3family6 (talk) 20:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Placed dubious tag, that should help calm things down.--3family6 (talk) 01:02, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The main problem, as I see it, is that the current source on the list only claims that crunkcore is a screamo genre, not that 3OH!3 belong to it. If you added the Rolling Stone article sourced on the crunkcore page, I think it ought to be okay.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 19:03, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

What happened!? The Revolver citation must have been removed during the disruptive edits before the page was locked down. It actually was part of my reasoning for including the band, as Revolver calls them crunkcore but doesn't say that they aren't screamo, which it specifically does for another crunkcore artist. I will re-insert the citation.--3family6 (talk) 01:18, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, but I think you might want to put in the Rolling Stone ref for added weight. Also, I think it might be a good idea to mention in the lead which "screamo fusion genres" we'll be including, just so nobody calls foul.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 23:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll put in Rolling Stone too if you think that's a good idea. I already changed the lead to include screamo fusion genres, I think list specific genres is overkill, but since there are only two that I really know of, if you think that's needed than go ahead.--3family6 (talk) 00:00, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I have to disagree with you here 3family6, and Invisiboy. With regard to all "crunkcore," "The Boston Phoenix" is a questionable source with respect to music classification. This is my primary concern with anything on Wikipedia, especially with respect to music and other contentious media that is heavily classified and organized. AllMusic, Pitchfork Media, Rolling Stone, et cetera are themselves questionably reliable published sources on music classification, especially where subcultural or countercultural genres are concerned; minor media segments of various publications (like The Boston Phoenix) shouldn't even be considered. There are a number of sources, some reliable and some of questionable validity, that not only precludes the inclusion of many of the bands on the list, but which also do an exceptional job of explaining precisely why the term "screamo" need not apply to many of the bands and styles listed on this page. Screamo did not "evolve from" the 90's into what it is today. That is, "screamo-fusion" genres are fusions of hip-hop or other genres or subgenres with a genre of music that arguably is not screamo at all. A number of distinctly different and largely unrelated genres have been included on this page. In short, it is a complete mess. From my perspective, and of many other people, the entire classification of the entire segment on screamo needs major revision on Wikipedia. I, of course, will not attempt to edit until I compile and return with links to the various sources for everyone to consider. I have little hope for it to be addressed, given the widespread misuse of the term "screamo" over the past decade. If authors and Wiki admins are willing to accept subpar publications on music like Rolling Stone or Revolver as reliable sources on a genre of music which their editors and various staff weren't even *aware* of for over a decade, then there isn't much hope. None of my sources will be able to compare with the widespread appeal and assumed reputably of the aforementioned major publications. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yourchaosisntme (talk • contribs) 09:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I truly doubt that you will be able to convince editors that highly reputable and even famous music magazines such as Rolling Stone and Revolver are "subpar" when it comes to music. That doesn't mean that they are always accurate, but specific inaccuracies must be noted in reliable sources. If you do manage to find reliable sources that point out specific misuses of the term "screamo" in the mentioned magazines, then more power to you.--¿3family6 _contribs 14:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Removal of flagicons

I have removed the flagicons as they have been determined to violate MOS:FLAG, see here, here and here.--3family6 (talk) 18:26, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 65.206.213.205, 30 April 2011

3OH!3, Alesana, As Cities Burn, Asking Alexandria, Attack Attack!, Black Veil Brides, Brokencyde, Blessthefall, Breathe Carolina, Emery, Escape The Fate, Family Force 5, Here I Come Falling, Hollywood Undead, I Set My Friends On Fire, Our Last Night, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Showbread, and Underoath DO NOT BELONG HERE. Please read the section in the screamo article under Misuse of the term "screamo"

thank you

65.206.213.205 (talk) 02:39, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate that you are so concerned about the quality of the article, but please read WP:RS.--3family6 (talk) 12:06, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Further note: If you have sources that negates any of the above bands, I will be happy to at least consider (depending on the source) removing any of the mentioned bands.--3family6 (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Rosscowderoy, 7 May 2011

A lot of the bands in the list of screamo bands are in fact not screamo and are actually post-hardcore, metalcore or crunkcore bands These include 3OH!3 Alesana As Cities Burn Asking Alexandria Attack Attack! Black Veil Brides Brokencyde Blessthefall Breathe Carolina Emery Escape The Fate Family Force 5 Here I come Falling Horse The Band Hollywood Undead I Set My Friends On Fire The Number 12 Looks Like You Our Last Night The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus Underoath

Rosscowderoy (talk) 13:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

If you have sources that contradict a particular listing, then provide a source, and I will remove the band from the list.--3family6 (talk) 17:58, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 190.159.187.70, 12 May 2011

Is it possible for a "See also" section linking to the List of emo artists and List of post-hardcore bands to be created? --190.159.187.70 (talk) 21:41, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Done.--3family6 (talk) 22:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Bring Me the Horizon

Will editors PLEASE STOP adding Bring Me the Horizon to this list UNLESS they cite a reliable source. I have looked for reliable sources for BMTH being screamo, and cannot find any, and, though this is my personal opinion, I think it is because they are metal and deathcore, and while that can cross over to screamo, it is not at all the same thing.--3family6 (talk) 11:56, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

It's a little weak, but while this ref (published in the New Times Broward-Palm Beach) identifies them as metalcore in the text, the title makes reference to "Bring Me the Horizon's Screamo". Since the author presumably also chose the title, would this be good enough to re-add them?--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 21:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

It's not the strongest reference, and it would be good to have another one, but it'll do.--¿3family6 _contribs 21:47, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll look for others, but for now I'll re-add them with this.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 22:58, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit-protect?

Given the large number of IP edits lately and the general controversial nature of this term, I was thinking we could set up an edit-protect for this page similar to what they have on the list of emo artists. I wouldn't know how to go about doing this, but I'm hoping else here does.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 03:27, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

This page was really bad awhile ago, but the temporary semi-protect worked beautifully at curbing the vandalism and disruptive edits. Unfortunately, the disruptive edits and vandalism now seem to be picking up again. At this stage though, it's a few isolated instances every few days, which isn't really that bad, so a request for semi-protection will most likely be rejected. If it gets worse, this is where you go: Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Put in this this template as the new section title: {{la|ARTICLE}}, substituting List of screamo bands in place of ARTICLE. Then beneath that put "Semi-protection. Frequent disruptive edits and vandalism."--¿3family6 _contribs 13:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

BLACK VEIL BRIDES IS NOT EMO

THEY ARE NOT SCREAMO! THEY ARE GLAM METAL AND METALCORE!

"The band formed in southern Ohio back in 2006 and, like any good hair metal band, has weathered a slew of lineup changes. A mix of metalcore and hair metal, Black Veil Brides have somehow carved out their own sound while still being commercial enough to garner both album sales and slots at big festivals. Constantly made-up to look like 'Shout at the Devil' era Mötley Crüe, the band loves all the trappings of big 80s metal: makeup, fire and explosions, especially in videos."

THEY ARE NOT SCREAMO. THEY ONLY ARE LABELLED THAT BECAUSE OF HOW THEY LOOKED IN THEIR KNIVES AND PENS VIDEO. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE SCREAMO!

REAL SCREAMO IS ORCHID OR BLESSTHEFALL — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 00:21, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

• I wouldn't even agree that Blessthefall are really screamo. But I agree with you about Black Veil Brides. (Albert Mond (talk) 20:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC))

Original research much? Also, the in-list source is their AllMusic bio: "Primarily the brainchild of vocalist Andy Six, the band combines cathartic metalcore/screamo with a dark, gothic image to set it apart from its contemporaries."--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 23:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

P.S. They can be more than one genre. Glam metal doesn't rule out screamo.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 23:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

They were talking about THE IMAGE not music. Besides they aint emotional enough to be screamo. They are hair metal or heavy post hardcore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.227.131.233 (talk) 19:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposed hidden text message for list

"<!--NOTE TO EDITORS: This a list of artists that have been described as "screamo" in reliable sources. Please do not add any artists to this list without citing a reliable source (for more information, see "Wikipedia:Reliable sources" and "Wikipedia:Citing sources"). Do not remove any artist that is referenced to a reliable source. Discuss additions and removals on the talk page. 2 references per artist is ideal, more than 2 are not necessary. Choose the 2 most reliable, descriptive sources.-->"

This is a modified version of the hidden text message at the list of post-hardcore bands. Given the numerous disruptive IP edits to the list recently, do you think we should add this to the article as a deterrant?--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 19:57, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Also think the following might be good to put at the top of the talk page:

Per WP:MUSIC and WP:SOURCE, do NOT add any unknown or obscure band to this list. Also do not add ANY band to this list without a source to verify the claim of being "screamo". Also, do not add ANY band to this list that does not have its own stand-alone article on Wikipedia. Failure to follow these instructions will result in your edit being undone/your content addition being removed. Additionally, do not remove any bands which are properly and verifiably sourced as belonging in this list. Thank you.

--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 19:57, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Sounds okay to me.--¿3family6 _contribs 12:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Alrighty then.  Done.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 21:32, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Updates to the list

Another editor would like to remove a number of bands from this list, on the grounds that they're not screamo. Can we please agree on what makes a band screamo, and get some references for the bands that are in there, with a view to removing non-screamo bands from the list? Thanks, Lone boatman (talk)

All the bands listed here have citations to references stating that they are screamo. What more can be done?--¿3family6 _contribs 13:20, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. I was just being polite to a vandal. The article is fine as it is, thanks. Lone boatman (talk) 13:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Should we remove...

...this line from the lead: "and other styles of music, such as post-hardcore and melodic metalcore, are often also called 'screamo'"? The source is dubious due to being a humor site rather than a specialist source in the genre, bands cited by the author as not screamo are in fact sourced as such, and just in general it gives IPs too much of an excuse to remove bands they think have been mislabeled. For these reasons, I think it should be removed. Any objections?--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 18:21, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

It was already removed from the screamo article, the list was just never updated.--¿3family6 _contribs 02:18, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Problems with the page?

Most of the bands listed here are things like melodic-metalcore, or post-hardcore. I feel like this person just dubs bands that incorporate screaming into their music as "screamo". I'm not musically knowledgeable enough to fix this article, as I'm sure it would come across as vandalism, so could someone who knows what they're doing please fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeiskillingtime (talk • contribs) 16:52, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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Weak.

Grindcore isn’t screamo. Pop punk isn’t screamo. Hardcore isn’t screamo. Black metal isn’t screamo. Nu Metal isn’t screamo. A band isn’t screamo because some dork at AP magazine labeled them as such back in 2005.

This article eats ass. 2600:1700:71D0:8C00:C5C4:2096:5BF9:A82B (talk) 17:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Agree. So, what do we do about it? Morganfitzp (talk) 10:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

This article already got cleared of most of its "music with screaming" bands years ago. Most of these bands are actual screamo. The only way for this to be discussed is to actually name bands you disagree with and discuss their inclusion. Based on OP's edits removing many bands, there's the obvious "emo pop/post-hardcore" bands like Senses Fail and Hawthorne Heights but that style is pretty often described by legitimately knowledgeable critics as "screamo". Just look at this Stereogum article which calls Hawthorne Heights a continuation of the sound of Pg. 99 and City Of Caterpillar. The edit also removed "real" screamo bands like Heroin (one of the pioneers) and Heaven in Her Arms and I can't find a single nu metal band on this list. Obviously Deafheaven is the black metal band, but the article cited passes RS and makes a legitimely compelling argument that they sound more like Envy than they do black metal. What "some dork at AP magazine labeled them as such back in 2005" does constitute a WP:RELIABLESOURCE. I didn't look back through all the sources but the one for Graf Orlock doesn't call them screamo and doesn't pass WP:RS anyway, so should be removed. Issan Sumisu (talk) 10:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)