Talk:List of longest-reigning monarchs/Archive 4

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Year limit for Monarchs whose exact dates of rule are unknown

That section is limited to monarchs who reigned at least 57 years, since, when the other list was limited to 100, that's what the last entry on the list was in terms of length. However, due to overlooked entries being added to the constituent section and entries formally in the sovereign section being removed due to not meeting the criteria, the last entry in the first list is at 55 years, while the last entry in the second list is at 60 years. What should the year limit for the third list be?67.173.23.66 (talk) 03:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

All three lists used to be 57 years but so many edits happened that it came to this point bro

Either way 60 would be kinda short and 55 would probably be better but i am not sure Jackal Himorse (talk) 05:48, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Anyways because of what you said i am planning on limiting the third list to 55 years

For my point,They are various monarchs throughout history that could have reigned for between 55 years and 1 day to 56 years and 364 days but we are not exactly sure on their date but we can prove that they belong in the first or second sections

And that it would make the list more informative Jackal Himorse (talk) 10:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Just hoping someone does not revert it (Looking at you @GoodDay) Jackal Himorse (talk) 10:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

You know what let's just make a 55 year limit for each sections Jackal Himorse (talk) 08:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

As mentioned above, consensus is needed first. 2601:241:300:B610:0:0:0:565B (talk) 21:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

PLEASE, just leave it the way it is. Top section 1-25, second 1-85 & third section wide open. GoodDay (talk) 21:42, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Should the commented out entries be removed? 2601:241:300:B610:0:0:0:565B (talk) 22:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

What are "commented out" entries? GoodDay (talk) 22:24, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

The entries the were added up to 55 years, as added in this edit, that I subsequently commented out, as mentioned in the edit reasons on the main page.2601:241:300:B610:0:0:0:565B (talk) 22:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

How you both deal with the entry criteria for section three, is up to you both. Just don't mess up sections one & two. GoodDay (talk) 22:30, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

What the criteria for section three should be is still to be decided. 2601:241:300:B610:0:0:0:565B (talk) 23:22, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I guess you kinda are right

But they are definitely monarch that could have reigned for 55 years but we do not know their exact date but could have reigned from 54 years and 1 day to 55 years and 364 days

Also i did get consensus mate why did you have to revert my hard work Jackal Himorse (talk) 05:34, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

With all due respect, you needed other people to agree with you in order to get consensus and no one else said anything on the matter. 2601:241:300:B610:0:0:0:565B (talk) 12:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay

Anyways Tue (That is what i call you for now Bro?!)

Do you agree with my decision to make this list have a consistency Jackal Himorse (talk) 16:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

There should probably be more people agreeing on something before the criteria is to be changed. 2601:241:300:B610:0:0:0:565B (talk) 21:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay but do you agree with me Tue?! We need better consistency for this list Jackal Himorse (talk) 05:35, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion, maybe having different minimum lengths for sovereign and non sovereign monarchs that are the same as the lists for the verified reigns for both types might work, but it probably needs substantial support before anything is changed.67.173.23.66 (talk) 15:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I actually agree with you Jackal Himorse (talk) 16:06, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Probably need more people to agree before anything is done. 67.173.23.66 (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Also should Augustus count?!

He was technically Roman Consul between 22 April 43 BC and 2 BC meanwhile Roman Emperor from 27 BC to 19 August 14 AD

So he was ruler for a total of 56 Years,120 Days

That would make him about 22 in the first list i think Jackal Himorse (talk) 10:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Consul was not a monarchial postion.67.173.23.66 (talk) 04:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

True anyways Abd al-Muttalib was the Chief of Quraysh for 81 years (497-578)

Does he count?! Jackal Himorse (talk) 10:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

He seemed to be the head of a tribal confederation, not a state. 67.173.23.66 (talk) 16:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

. 2A02:C7E:3872:6600:5CFA:2C3:765C:285F (talk) 12:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

He still seemed to have ruled land from what it seem

And succeeded his father so he is probably a monarch

IMO he is as much of a monarch as Popes,Most Western Roman emperors after 350 CE and the rulers of Andorra Jackal Himorse (talk) 03:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I checked again and he is a monarch "grouping of Arab clans that historically inhabited and controlled the city of Mecca and its Ka'ba" Jackal Himorse (talk) 15:41, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay do we make the second and third lists 55 years or not

Let's just go with one side Jackal Himorse (talk) 13:53, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay i agree with you guys

We should make a 55 year limit per section (had to make account because it did not allow me to reply) Harmony731 (talk) 08:52, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Agree with you guys too

Wow getting a decent amount of people to agree with me Jackal Himorse (talk) 08:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit Request on missing monarchs

Leon II

Country : Abasgia (767-778),Abkhazia (778-828) 61 Years

Baron Andrew I

Country : Vitré,France (1072-1135) 63 Years

Charles I

Country : Eu,France (16 June 1397-25 July 1472) 75 Years and 39 Days

Obizzo I

Country : Este and Ferrara (15 December 1128-25 December 1193) 65 Years and 10 Days 103.137.24.196 (talk) 11:54, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Okay Jackal Himorse (talk) 13:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

The County of Eu seems to have been a feudal fief, not a monarchy. 2601:241:300:B610:0:0:0:BBF0 (talk) 04:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

It was according to French Wikipedia

"The County of Eu was one of the constituent counties of the Duchy of Normandy ."

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comt%C3%A9_d%27Eu Jackal Himorse (talk) 09:52, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Bhumibol Adulyadej (Rama IX)[ photo

I SUGEST TO INCLUDE IN THE MAIN PAGE A PHOTO OF Bhumibol Adulyadej (Rama IX)[WHICH WAS A RULLER A LONGER TIME THEN ELIZABETH THE SECOND WHO HAS SEVERAL PHOTOES. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:199:F4F1:2CDC:4E0A:7F25:A8C6 (talk) 13:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Although he was the longest reigning "Truly Sovereign" monarch in Asia

That alone is not enough to give him a image unless one decides to add images Jackal Himorse (talk) 07:27, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

there shuld be on the main page a picture of Rama Ix . he was a ruler longer then Elizabeth and not to put a picture of him will looke like anti Assian biase.. 2A00:A040:199:F5BD:10FD:BCB9:C57D:BB0F (talk) 15:59, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

If you want then you can add images for the Monarchs here

I can help you later since i am currently on Discord name is JackDaItalian#5282 Jackal Himorse (talk) 17:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

definition of longest?

Should the length of reign ordering be based on number of days and therefore shouldn't HM Queen Elizabeth move up to position 3 today (7th May) as match number of days but still alive? ---- Hoffie01 (talk) 08:30, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

We'll move her up ahead of Johann II, when her reign reaches 70 years & 92 days. In the meantime, I've requested page protection, due to the mobile editor who keeps edit-warring over this topic. PS - Be honest, doesn't it look silly, to have 70 yrs & 90 days ranked higher then 70 yrs & 91 days? GoodDay (talk) 14:45, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I think the discrepancy comes from fact that article creators probably consider all years to be of equal length while they are not. There are leap years, common years and exceptional common years. 1900 was an exceptional common year while 2000 was a leap one.

89.149.78.233 (talk) 16:07, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

The article's been semi-protected for two days, so there'll be no more of this edit-warring by any mobile or IP editors. GoodDay (talk) 16:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

She should be moved ahead of him tomorrow (in UTC), since alphabetically E is before J and she will have had a longer reign as measured by days. Emk9 (talk) 19:06, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Then we'll wait until tomorrow, as she'll have the tie-breaker. GoodDay (talk) 19:19, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

On 7th May 2022 Elizabeth II should have at the very least moved into joint 3rd place and been placed above Johann II in the list because E comes before J alphabetically. We could argue that she should have moved into outright 3rd place because as the day went on, she was still alive and therefore extending the length of her reign over Johann II (see mention of Victoria below). This notion that years/days is a more accurate calculation than singular days is quite frankly ridiculous, anyone who thinks it is has a very basic understanding of math if any at all! Years are not all equal and are not the correct way to accurately measure length of time. Imagine you had 2 running tracks, one of 400 metres and one of 500 meters, and you had 2 runners. The runner on the 500 metre track completes 5 circuits and the runner on the 400 metre track completes 6 circuits. You wouldn’t say that the runner on the 400 metre track had completed the greater distance because they had completed 6 circuits over 5, you would say the greater distance was completed by the runner on the 500 metre track because the distance they had run was 100 metres more. Also, the world celebrated Elizabeth II becoming the longest reigning British monarch on 9th September 2015, on that day Elizabeth II was equal in days to Victoria (23,226 days) but using the year/day method was 1 day behind (63 years, 215 days). The reason she was considered the longest reigning British monarch on the day that she equalled Victoria in number of days rather than the next day when she had overtaken her by a full day is, as mentioned above, because she overtook Victoria as the day went on. I seem to remember on that day that this Wikipedia page was wrong because it was still showing Elizabeth II as behind Victoria. Creating your own version of math and measurement of time often means this page in not correct which is a shame. To top this all off you then blocked the IP addresses of individuals who were making valid corrections to the page, the IP on my iPhone was/is blocked which means I can no longer edit Wikipedia pages with it. I don't know who you think you are or why you think you are in charge but clearly you feel you have the right to go around blocking people who are making valid changes. 2A02:C7E:3872:6600:5CFA:2C3:765C:285F (talk) 12:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

You're a tad late. EII has already been moved up to third place, per more days overall. GoodDay (talk) 15:27, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm aware of that! What I am doing above is pointing out that yesterday the page was wrong because you kept undoing the valid corrections others were making, you then blocked the IP addresses of those individuals like some Wikipedia dictator. I can only assume that your nasty blocking tactics are due to the fact that you cannot bear being proved wrong! 2A02:C7E:3872:6600:FDC3:A861:7A01:A315 (talk) 15:47, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Whatever, anyways it's all moot. GoodDay (talk) 15:53, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

None of what we're talking about is moot! Blocking individuals for no good reason is nasty, childish and pathetic. 2A02:C7E:3872:6600:FDC3:A861:7A01:A315 (talk) 15:59, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Boo hoo. GoodDay (talk) 16:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

"Boo hoo" is a childish response. HM's reign was longer as soon as the number of DAYS she has been on the throne exceeded Johann II. To say it looks "silly" to have the years anomaly, ignores the fact that it is equally (if not more) silly to have 25,658 days ranked as MORE than 25,659 day for some arbitrary reason. Hoffie01 (talk) 08:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

It's already been changed.2601:241:300:B610:0:0:0:BBF0 (talk) 04:50, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Donnchadh mac Art mac Murchadha Caomhánach 1417–1478

on kings of leinister he is given a reign of 61 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.137.24.147 (talk) 07:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

It is not right to ignore Jangsu of Goguryeo and other ancient rulers in the first list

The ancient Korean king Jangsu ruled from 413-491, ie for about 78 years. He was a sovereign ruler, and although the length of his reign with accurated to days is unknown, whether he ruled for 78 years and 100 days or 77 years and 300 days, his reign is still at least 5 years longer than that of Louis XIV and 7 years longer than government of Elizabeth II. Calling Louis XIV the longest reigning sovereign monarch in history is a mistake when at least Jangsu has demonstrably ruled longer. Therefore, we should change the concept of the lists in this article, the first list should include sovereign rulers, including the ancient monarchs, who are now in the third list. Of course, only those for whom the length of government and dates of government are not in dispute, which are the already mentioned Jangsu by Goguryeo, the Egyptian pharaoh Ramses II and other sovereign ancient rulers. The third list should include exclusively a rulers with a disputed length of government, such as the Egyptian pharaoh Pepi II.Elfetex3 (talk) 08:47, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

They are on the third section of Monarchs with unknown exact dates Jackal Himorse (talk) 10:13, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Also that would make the first list kinda way too "Controversial" and we don't even know their exact dates? Like take Joseph Wilhelm Ernst as a example Guy could have reigned for 61 years and 1 day from December 31 1700 to January 1 1762

On the other hand he could have reigned and died the day before he hit his 63rd milestone from January 1 1700 to December 31 1762 Jackal Himorse (talk) 10:17, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I know Jangsu is on the third list, but it's not enough! Ordinary people are most interested in the first list, which they logically consider the most important and on the basis of which they consider Louis XIV as the record holder. In their erroneous judgment, they are also supported by a photo in the header.

Controversial? It is more controversial to put the ancient rulers aside and the length of their governments to virtually ignore them because they don't meet the condition of 'accuracy to days'. It's ridiculous and unfair, we can be glad, that some records from 2, 3 or 4 millennia ago have survived at all.

Think about what will happen when Elizabeth II overcomes the length of reign of Louis XIV. Many people will mistakenly think, that she has achieved an all-time record. We should prevent this and inform the people that in history there were sovereign rulers whose reign was longer than that of the Sun King. Elfetex3 (talk) 12:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Uh dude i don't think you understand my point

Looking at this article more it was already discussed way back in 2011 and most users at that time agreed to make it two sections (Verifiable dates and unknown dates)

And even 11 years later we are at this icecore

Anyways we don't know their exact date so we aren't certain to where they would be at?

Also Jangsu would not be number 1 if we did that you said,It would either be Emperor Nintoku of Japan (86 Years) or Abd Al-Muttalib (81 Years)

Also yes they were sovereign but their exact dates aren't known

Somebody could have reigned for 73 years between 1897 and 1970 but we do not know their exact dates as the example i earlier said

He could have reigned exactly a year more then Louis XIV or a week less

Another thing is that it would be hard to track Incumbent Monarch's reign and we won't know for certain on which "Exact Date" Queen Elizabeth II would surpass someone like Arwa Al-Sulayhi Also you need proper consensus for at least 5 people,not just yourself Jackal Himorse (talk) 13:36, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

It is possible that someone ruled longer than Jangsu, whom I mention because the years of his reign are verified and he was the ruler of a sovereign state. Of the names you mentioned, historians at emperor Nintoku question the length of the 86-year government, and Abd Al-Muttalib was not the ruler of a state (sovereign or vassal), but only a tribal chief.

The problem I have with this article is that many people think that Louis XIV was the longest reigning monarch in history. We both know that although we don't know the accuracy of the days for Jangsu of Goguryeo, he certainly ruled longer than Louis XIV, the difference of 5/6 years is great. And this we should change before 2024, when the media will erroneously informs that Elizabeth II has become the longest reigning monarch in history.

As a compromise, I would suggest creating another list listing sovereign rulers with verifiable dates and the length of the government rounded to the years. This proposed list would be at the head of this article and would list both modern and ancient rulers. Its base form would be as follows:

1. Jangsu - 78 years

2. Louis XIV - 72 years

3. Rama IX, Elizabeth II, Johann II - 70 years.

As for moving up, Elizabeth II would surpass Ramu IX and Johann II by reaching 71 years of rule next year.

Elfetex3 (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

First of all having a low title does not mean they are not a monarch,Infact Idiris Ibni Muhammad Al-Qadri is here despite Tunku Bear being the lowest monarchical title in South East Asia

Also there is still Hanayos with a reign of 80 years and his reign is not debatable in any way

And same also goes for Kana Seyon but H comes before K

And there is still Trần Minh Công and Cheran Chenguttuvan who both reigned for 79 Years

And Karma I and An Dương Vương for both 78 years (Although the latter claim is disputed) Jackal Himorse (talk) 09:40, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

• My "vote" is against. I agree with those who have already said that the first list should be reserved for monarchs with verifiable reign dates per day, in order to make it clean and objective. Inserting monarchs with kingdoms of which only the years are known and with a margin of error would make it controversial and subject to continuous questionable changes. It is up to those who read the article to read it all to get the full picture, not up to us to disorganize the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.148.93.58 (talk) 11:05, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

  Check out these articles and their headlines:

  https://people.com/royals/queen-elizabeth-worlds-third-longest-reigning-monarch/?amp=true

  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10796967/amp/Queen-longest-reigning-monarch-history.html

  What I see is a massive misinterpretation based on this wiki-article. People and journalists pay attention only to the first list and don't pay attention to the rulers on the other lists because they are 'sideways'.

  We should rewrite the local wiki-article to make it clear that Louis XIV is not the longest-ruling sovereign monarch in history, because several rulers from antiquity / the Middle Ages have longer reign. Elfetex3 (talk) 11:23, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

  I'm sorry, but I still think that the problem is the journalists, not the wikipage. Nor does it convince me that the negative impact given by the thing is, in any case, so significant as to require this modification with the urgency that it declaims. They are so ancient monarchs that, wherever they reigned, they would still not arouse much interest in ordinary people, not actively interested in the subject, even if they knew they had longer reigns. Journalists would simply change "monarch" to "queen". But Wikipedia is democratic and based on the consensus of the majority. If you can convince other people, you can still get the change. 93.148.93.131 (talk) 16:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

• Moreover, not to bring bad luck, but, also given the latest rumors about the sovereign's health, it is not certain that Elizabeth II will surpass Louis XIV — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.148.93.58 (talk) 10:46, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

We'll cross that bridge, when we get to it. GoodDay (talk) 21:20, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Genghis Khan

Would he count? Khamag Mongol leader 1171-1206 35 Years Mongol Empire 1206-25 August 1227 21 Years Total 56 Years yes i know he did change his state but he still reigned in Mongolia so should he be in here? Jackal Himorse (talk) 11:19, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Elizabeth II

Should her taking position No 2 on the list be a MP DYK fact/appear on her article? 137.221.134.222 (talk) 14:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Discuss it on her article not here fellow Wikipedia user Jackal Himorse (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Muhammad Jiwa Zainal Adilin II of Kedah Of Start Date

His father,Ahmad’s article says that he died on 15 Febuarary 1710 meanwhile MJZA II of Kedah says in his page that he died on 23 September 1778 Should he be added to the Top list now? 103.137.24.18 (talk) 03:51, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Kedah isn't & wasn't a sovereign state. GoodDay (talk) 15:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

GoodDay How wasn’t it a fully sovereign state wah back in 1778? I am pretty sure it didn’t become a British protectorate until at least 1910 Jackal Himorse (talk) 15:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Thailand (then Siam), had 'unwanted' influence. GoodDay (talk) 16:40, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah forgot about that Jackal Himorse (talk) 06:41, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Can someone help me with Charles III's dates?

Looking at Charles III of Spain's dates, if you start to count his years beginning as Duke of Parma and Piacenza, to Naples, and then Spain, it's 57 years. Both Parma and Piacenza and the Kingdom of Naples seem to be independent realms too according to their Wiki pages so it seems legit.

The problem is that I can't easily find the exact dates for when he was Duke of Parma and Piacenza. The Spanish wiki article has different dates to the English page for Charles III, with hard to access sources on the English page that might verify that claim. So I'm asking people if you guys can volunteer and help me look through any and all resources/references to find these exact dates. I would gladly appreciate that help. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 03:36, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

It was likely 20 January As when his Predecessor Antony died Jackal Himorse (talk) 04:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

NVM 26 February Gonna add him now Jackal Himorse (talk) 04:48, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Jackal Himorse, how are you so certain about his date? I'd personally prefer finding a book source first, hence my asking on here. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 06:11, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Even with sources for the dates, these reigns are for different states entirely (compared to some like Ferdinand III with Sicily then Two Sicilies). Charles had to surrender his Italian titles after becoming King of Spain, so I don't think he should be included on this list. Emk9 (talk) 06:39, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

i geuss emk is right 103.137.24.147 (talk) 07:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

i found on spainish wikipedia nonthenless i found a updated version of who would be 26 and more Jackal Himorse (talk) 07:27, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Can I see your updated list if it's convenient for you Jackal Himorse? Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 21:12, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Sure I got some of the start dates from other sources such as Britannica or Worldstatesman.org

Hassanal Bolkiah's state was a British Protectorate until 1984

26 Elizabeth II of Barbados 55 Years,0 Days

27 Moulay Ismail Ibn Shariff 54 Years,342 Days

28 Han Wudi 54 Years,20 days

29 Thutmose III 53 Years,330 Days

30 Frederick III Of Germany 53 years,188 Days

32 Fulk III Of Anjou 52 years,336 days

33 Frederick II 52 Years,210 Days

34 William II the Conqueror 52 Years,68 Days

35 Tahmasp I 51 Years,357 Days

36 Haakon VII 51 Years,307 Days

37 Said bin Sultan 51 Years,197 Days

38 Yeongjo Of Joseon 51 Years,188 Days

39 Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor 51 Years,167 Days

40 Franz Joseph II 51 Years,111 Days

41 Peter IV Of Aragon 50 Years,346 Days

42 Sigismund Of Hungary 50 Years,253 Days

43 Pōmare IV 50 Years,249 Days

44 Mwambutsa IV Of Burundi 50 Years & 204 Days

45 Edward III 50 Years & 147 Days

46 Joanna Of Castile 50 Years & 137 Days

47 Ivan The Terrible 50 Years & 116 Days

48 Sao Kin Maung 50 Years & 100 Days

49 Lone Horn 50 Years & 97 Days (Tho one could argue he be in the second table)

50 Margrethe II 50 Years & Currently Reigning (RN 129 Days)

Following that would be Clotaire I with a reign of 50 Years and 30 days if somebody on the list does not fully meet the criteria Bro?! Yourlocallordandsavior Jackal Himorse (talk) 02:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

My list Jackal Himorse:

1 Louis XIV Kingdom of France 2 Bhumibol Adulyadej (Rama IX) Thailand 3 Johann II Liechtenstein 4 Elizabeth II Australia Canada New Zealand United Kingdom 5 Kʼinich Janaabʼ Pakal I Palenque 6 Franz Joseph I Austria (1848–1867) Austria-Hungary (1867–1916) 7 Ferdinand III Kingdom of Sicily 8 Victoria United Kingdom 9 James I Kingdom of Aragon 10 Hirohito (Emperor Shōwa) Empire of Japan (1926–1947) Japan (1947–1989) 11 Kangxi Emperor China (Qing dynasty) 12 Qianlong Emperor China (Qing dynasty) 13 Christian IV Denmark-Norway 14 Al-Mustansir Billah Fatimid Caliphate 15 Elizabeth II Jamaica 16 George III Great Britain (1760–1801) Ireland (1760–1801) United Kingdom (1801–1820) Electorate of Hanover (1760–1814) Kingdom of Hanover (1814–1820) 17 Honoré III Principality of Monaco 18 Louis XV Kingdom of France 19 Pedro II Empire of Brazil 20 Nicholas I Principality of Montenegro (1860–1910) Kingdom of Montenegro (1910–1918) 21 Wilhelmina Netherlands 22 James VI Kingdom of Scotland 23 Conrad I Kingdom of Burgundy 24 Alfonso VIII Kingdom of Castile 25 Henry III Kingdom of England 26 Rainier III Principality of Monaco 27 Elizabeth II Barbados 28 Moulay Ismail Ibn Shariff Alaouite dynasty (Morocco) 29 Emperor Wu of Han Han dynasty 30 Thutmose III Eighteenth dynasty (Egypt) 31 Friedrich III Holy Roman Empire 29 Cosimo III de' Medici Grand Duchy of Tuscany 30 Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor Kingdom of Sicily 33 Friedrich Günther Principality of Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt 34 Tahmasp I Safavid Dynasty (Persia) 35 Haakon VII Norway 36 Yeongjo Joseon Dynasty (Korea) 37 Franz Joseph II of Liechtenstein Liechtenstein 38 Leopold IV Duchy of Anhalt-Dessau 39 Peter IV Kingdom of Aragon 40 Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor Kingdom of Hungary 41 Edward III Kingdom of England 42 Joanna of Castile Kingdom of Castile 43 Ivan IV Tsardom of Russia 44 Margrethe II Denmark 45 William I Kingdom of Scotland 46 Basil II Byzantine Empire 47 Akbar Mughal Empire 48 Aurangzeb Mughal Empire 49 Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor Kingdom of Italy 50 Elizabeth II The Bahamas 51 Carl XVI Gustaf Sweden 52 Jogaila Kingdom of Poland 53 Elizabeth II Grenada 54 Chlothar I Soissons/Francia 54 Constantine VII Byzantine Empire 55 Elizabeth II Papua New Guinea 56 Frederick II Kingdom of Prussia 57 Suleiman the Magnificent Ottoman Empire Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 06:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Yourlocallordandsavior The thing is Akbar had his state as a part of British India from 1600 and Aurangzeb for his entire reign

Other then that i realized that Lone Horn's state wasn't sovereign so i replaced him with Abdullah I Al-Sabah of Kuwait his article now gives a reign of 52 Years,113 Days and wasn't Tuscany a part of the Holy Roman Empire? While Leopold IV's state being a part of the German Confederation until 1866.

Other then that 52 and below are

52 Basil II 49 Years,341 Days

53 Charles Emmanuel I of Savoy 49 Years,332 Days

54 Qaboos Bin Said 49 Years and 160 or 142 Days (His state was a British Protectorate for the first 18 days of his reign)

55 Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor 49 Years,50 Days (Only a approximate date tho)

56 Carlos I of Netherlands and Burgundy 49 Years,30 Days

57 William the Lion of Scotland 48 Years,360 Days

58 Elizabeth II of the Bahamas 48 Years,318 Days

59 Charles XVI Gustaf of Sweden 48 Years,251 Days

60 Liao Shengzong AKA Yelu Longxu 48 Years,153 Days

61 João I of Portugal 48 Years,135 Days

62 Elizabeth II of Papua New Guinea 48 Years,106 Days

63 Władysław II Jagiełło 48 Years,88 Days

64 Ming Shenzong (Wanli Emperor) AKA Zhu Yijun 48 Years,43 Days

65 Leopold I HRE 48 Years,38 Days

I am working on a similar list on Indonesian Wikipedia https://id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daftar_penguasa_monarki_saat_ini_yang_menjabat_terlama Jackal Himorse (talk) 10:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Jackal Himorse For that, I just can't see a large Asian empire such as the Mughal Empire ever a British protectorate. Sure, the British may have had a few factory ports in India, but aside from that, the British only became a major power in India following Plassey and the Anglo-Maratha Wars of the late 18th century. Also I'm not a huge fan of claiming states inside the HRE after 1648 to be dependencies. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 19:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Apparently according to this Wikipedia Article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidencies_and_provinces_of_British_India British India apparently started as being in 1612 or 1757 so Akbar is sovereign but not sure on Aurangzeb

Cosimo still seemed to have been a HRE ruler of otherwise we would need to put some other Post-1648 HRE Monarchs on the top list too! Jackal Himorse (talk) 02:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I think it's kind of dumb (forgive my saying) to think that the Mughal Empire was a British dependency pre-1750, when it could've hardly pushed the Mughals before the Marathas screwed them over. The Mughal wiki page says that they became a British dependency after 1771/1784. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 05:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Suggest changing "João" to "John", for english readers. GoodDay (talk) 09:27, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

the rest are on my talk page tho thanks for the suggestion regardless Jackal Himorse (talk) 10:07, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Other Monarchs

Adding Soon

Gopinath Birabara Harichandan 1651-1711

Bhagirathi Birabara Harichandan 1778-1846

Hkun Ti 1860-1928

Jay-Chandra VI 1864-1933

Gonna add later Jackal Himorse (talk) 14:18, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Pre-emptive edits

Someone edited the first list just after midnight UK time to move Elizabeth II into sole second place today (12/06/2022), despite the fact that she won't achieve that milestone until tomorrow. I edited to reflect the actual state of affairs with the following note:

Amended to reflect QE2 is currently equal 2nd on first table. Previous edit jumped the gun by a full day by placing her in sole 2nd place and moving Bhumibol Adulyadej to 3rd - we don't edit in expectation of a future change.

7 minutes later user GoodDay reverted my edit with the note: For goodness sake. She's not seriously ill, is she?

My answer to that is no, but she is very old and who can predict the future? Why create an inaccuracy in the article today when it can easily be updated tomorrow? Stating that Bhumibol Adulyadej is the third longest verified reigning monarch of a sovereign state is just wrong and unencyclopaedic.

I appreciate this will likely all become redundant on Monday so I'm not going to spend a lot of time arguing for a change, but I think it's worth noting here as pre-emptive edits are really not the way to go for the sake of having an accurate encyclopaedia. Cdfbrown (talk) 04:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Less than 20 hours left. Why are you making such a fuss? Peter Ormond 💬 04:29, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Well Bhumibol Adulyadej did reach 2nd place first and comes first alphabetically. I think it's just good practice to keep things in order. Cdfbrown wasn't making a fuss either, it's just good record keeping to show what is happening to an article in the talk page. Ttutcha (talk) 04:47, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

This is a very minor point and will cease to be relevant in less than five hours, but that's still not an excuse for Wikipedia to jump the gun or to announce her move up into clear second place early. I've restored the joint-second usage and please leave as is until midnight UTC. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:30, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, this article's criteria seems headed towards a drastic (IMHO, confusing) change, within roughly three weeks anyway. So, I'm not gonna edit-war over a different item, that's going to end up as I had it, in a few hours. GoodDay (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Roman emperors?

Am I missing something really obvious? Why no Roman emperors? E.g. Constantine VIII reigned 66 years and Basil II reigned 65 years, for a start. Middle More Rider (talk) 15:01, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

the were removed due to junior emperor being only a title Jackal Himorse (talk) 16:00, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

However, it includes kings who came to the throne as infants who were under the regency for many years, and therefore had "title only". Why is it different? Sira Aspera (talk) 16:02, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

just because they had a regency does not mean they arent monarchs Jackal Himorse (talk) 16:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Exactly, so why does the regency count and a child emperor not? Technically, he was sovereign, albeit without factual power. Just like a king under a regency — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sira Aspera (talk • contribs) 18:40, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

An emperor is an emperor, joint does not always mean one is a junior, and if a junior they may have ruled a province, not just sitting around doing nothing, also i'm sure some teenage emperors told the regents what they wanted done. Middle More Rider (talk) 16:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

The reasoning for excluding them is that this list is a subsidiary list or extrapolation of verified information elsewhere on Wikipedia. The list of Roman Emperors gives their years as the start of their sole reigns, so they’re the dates we should use here. If you think they should have longer reigns listed, that page is where the discussion should take place. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 06:48, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't know about all that, someone told me about Constantine VIII, so I came over to this really obviously titled article, that I assume maybe millions of people worldwide have done over time, to read about Roman emperors' long reigns.....and there were none.

Middle More Rider (talk) 11:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Actually technically if you count his time as Roman Consoul Augustus reigned for 56 Years and Theodosius II for 48 years and Basil II for 49 years meanwhile George I of Greece was technically "Roman" Emperor for nearly 50 years as King of The Greeks Jackal Himorse (talk) 14:06, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Since the word "monarch" means a single ruler, junior emperors who share power can't be monarchs. Regents are irrelevant because they don't rule in their own right but on behalf of someone else. Richard75 (talk) 23:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of 20 monarchs

It seems a bit much to remove 20 entries from the list "Monarchs of dependent or constituent states with verifiable reigns by exact date" without a consensus to do that.[1] What were the criteria for removal? Richard75 (talk) 23:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

It was the top 85 & should be restored to that, per WP:BRD, IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 23:38, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

None of those deleted had active links or were sourcedAumnamahashiva (talk) 00:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

You need to get a consensus for the mass deletions & changes, that you wish to make. Further attempts on your part to force your changes on this page, may lead to a possible block. GoodDay (talk) 00:22, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Duly noted and warning received. So, thoughts on a plan for cleaning up the list and adding sources?Aumnamahashiva (talk) 00:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

We'll let others give their input. Meanwhile, please don't make anymore such sweeping changes. GoodDay (talk) 00:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Why are we keeping unsourced content? This is Wikipedia. That has no place here. --Pete (talk) 10:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

True, but that doesn't mean that sources can't be found. We should probably try and find one for each unsourced entry before summarily deleting entries that might be true. Otherwise the list may become misleading. Richard75 (talk) 13:10, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Question

Should we order the Third List (Monarhs with exact date unknown) Alphabetically Jackal Himorse (talk) 07:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

If approximate durations are known then we should still try and present the information by length of reign even where this is imprecise. Richard75 (talk) 13:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Also | Muhtarram Shah Kator | Chitral (India) | 1585 | 1655 |- | Johann Ulrich |- | Stadion (HRE) | 1530 | 1600 Removed for no reason both reigned for 70 years? Jackal Himorse (talk) 18:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Eberhard III

Apparently his father died in 1328 not 1308 so i am removing him — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackal Himorse (talk • contribs) 07:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

What about taking out years of reign under regency

The reason why is were you really the leader when you are a kid or in your teens? No they often had a regency while you grew up. So should there be a list to reflect this? 2601:2C4:C900:61C0:31E3:5278:880D:A03 (talk) 03:27, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

that be too trivial 103.137.24.152 (talk) 08:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

No, by historical convention the years of reign under the regency count even if they are not of effective government. Additionally, this list includes some modern rulers who do not actually rule their kingdom. The list concerns only the objective data of the years of reign, not the branches on who actually governs and who by name. 93.149.133.188 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:48, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

@93.149.133.188: Please give more details and refs as regards the historical convention you refer to?Leutha (talk) 22:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

14th : Elizabeth II for Jamaica

I don't think that listing Elizabeth II separately as 14th for Jamaica is relevant. Officially, the monarchy of Jamaica has existed since 6 August 1962, date of Independence of Jamaica, but she has reigned on Jamaica for much longer, as Jamaica was part of United Kingdom !

I think we should list Jamaica in the same Elizabeth II entry as for "Australia Canada New Zealand United Kingdom[a]", with a note added beside Jamaica "since its independence on 6 August 1962". Elfast (talk) 07:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

The list is about monarchs of sovereign states, and Jamaica was not sovereign before 6 August 1962. Peter Ormond 💬 08:53, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Disagree. After Jamaica became a sovereign state on August 6, 1962? Elizabeth II began her reign as Jamaican monarch on that date. GoodDay (talk) 16:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

There's an inconsistency here somewhere though. If Liz is listed in 4th place covering four separate countries, with the next entry in the list in 5th, then it doesn't seem to make sense for her Jamaican tenure to get its own rank at 14th. I think we need to either have the upper entry occupy ranks 4 to 7, with the next one at 8, or the Jamaica entry should be "unranked"...  — Amakuru (talk) 20:10, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

It's alright the way it is. GoodDay (talk) 22:02, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it is alright the way it is. She was the head of state of Jamaica both before and after its independence. I really think it should be listed with the rest of the nations, like Canada, with a note saying Jamaica gained independence in 1962. If you're going to list Jamaica seperatly, you should list each nation seperatly as well from each date of independence. Ttutcha (talk) 08:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Canada, Australia and New Zealand gained independence before she became Queen, so in each of those realms, including UK, her reign as a "monarch of sovereign state" started on 6 February 1952, the day her father died. Jamaica was still a British colony then, and she reigned over that island in her capacity as British monarch. After Jamaica gained indepencence on 6 August 1962, that country's monarchy became separate from Britain, and she has since reigned as Queen of Jamaica, i.e. "monarch of a sovereign state". Peter Ormond 💬 08:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: Elizabeth's reign over Jamaica began 6 February 1952 in her capacity as the British monarch, it did not begin on Jamaican independence, she was already reigning, the table in no way implies that it is limiting the monarch's reign to the period in which they reigned over an independent country. El Dubs (talk) 01:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

The table is under the heading "Monarchs of sovereign states with verifiable reigns by exact date". Sovereign states are independent countries. Jamaica gained independence as a sovereign state on 6 August 1962. Peter Ormond 💬 02:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: It does, but I think you are conflating independence and start of reign as the same thing. What is the basis for this? Elizabeth's reign predates Jamaica's independence, this should be reflected in the table for accuracy as the table implies Elizabeth's reign in Jamaica started in 1962, in reality, she reigned over Jamaica before this in her capacity as British Monarch. The table does not require pre-independence periods to be excluded, as the sentence above clarifies that it only requires it be sovereign for "most" of their reign. Even the use of the phrase "most of their reign" hints that a reign can begin prior to independence. El Dubs (talk) 03:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Gooday Bro?! Jackal Himorse (talk) 02:23, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Platinum Jubilee of Elizabeth II (= 70th anniversary) is going to be celebrated in Jamaica. They don't celebrate independant jubilees, because she's their Queen for as much time as for the British. I think it's wrong to consider she's reigned on Jamaica for only 59 years. Elfast (talk) 20:39, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

You don't have a consensus to change it the way you want. So PLEASE, don't change it again, without a consensus to do so. GoodDay (talk) 00:28, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

There's no consensus with an independant Jamaica entry. But nobody has defended the '14th' number. Because it's absurd, you can't be the 1st and 14th. If we keep an independant Jamaica entry (and I think it's wrong but yes there are people who argues for it), we still have to remove the "14th" number. I'm not the only one who has noted the absurdy of it, and nobody answers about this specific question. If you want to keep it and be coherent, you have to list the Queen as 3rd should also be the 4th, 5th and 6th (Johann II should then be listed as 7th) because Australia, UK, New Zealand and Canada are independants. I'm not the only one who notes the inconsistency, see above, and no answer about the number has been expressed (apart maybe from your "It's alright the way it is." which doesn't give any answer). Elfast (talk) 13:16, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm beginning to lose my patients with you & your attempts to FORCE what you want in the article. Please respect WP:BRD, or is it going to be necessary to report you to ANI? If anything, you should be opening up an RFC on the topic. You're certainly 'not' gonna get what you want, by slow edit-warring. GoodDay (talk) 00:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I'd like to add here that in the very first line of WP:BRD talks about how it is optional, and not mandated. As such, there's no expectation that anyone "respect" it, nor is it reasonable to report someone for not doing so. With that said, absolutely agree that this is a matter for RFC and consensus. El Dubs (talk) 12:38, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

You don't seem to read my edit. I haven't ever removed the entry for Jamaica, I'm just editing the number 14th for - (for unranked). Please report if you think it's necessary, but reading the history of the article, I'm not the only one who have done this edit and have been reverted by you, and other people notice the inconsistency in the discussion page. You don't think to consider the point (maybe you think I'm removing Jamaica) and I don't see any answer about this specific point (the number ! not the independant entry). (You seem very stubborn and you don't seem to consider the point. If you report other people will be able to see the inconstitency, so yes report it, I don't know how to do ask for mediation).

You're the one stubborn here as other people noticed the thing above, and others tried to edit it (just for 2022, I'm not going to look for older edits) :

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_longest-reigning_monarchs&diff=prev&oldid=1073271199

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_longest-reigning_monarchs&diff=1054499309&oldid=1051443010

And again, to change the number is a compromise between considering Jamaica as a separate entry, and considering Elizabeth as one person (and I'm not sure you've seen that my edit is just about the number, please read it again).

Elfast (talk) 10:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree Jamaica should not be a separate listing. The paragraph before the table clarifies it's a list of monarchs for states that are internationally recognised as sovereign for "most" or all of their reign. Note how it clearly indicates that sovereignty and the beginning of a reign are different things. It is not implied that a reign should be shown to start at the beginning of independence or sovereignty.

Jamaica has been sovereign/independent for most of her reign. Her reign started 6 February 1952 where she became Monarch of many locations, Jamaica included. The list in no way implies that a reign starts from the beginning of sovereignty and detailing it as such in this list is inaccurate. El Dubs (talk) 13:47, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree too on this Jamaica should be separate on listing Jackal Himorse (talk) 16:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

The list is fine as it is with Jamaica ranked separately at 14th. As others here have correctly pointed out, the Crown of Jamaica was established in 1962. Prior to 1962, Elizabeth II was not Queen of Jamaica: She was monarch in Jamaica as Queen of the United Kingdom. The constitutional distinction is essential. Aridd (talk) 16:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Afonso I of Portugal

Afonso I of Portugal is currently listed in the "unknown dates" section as reigning from sometime in 1112 to 6 December 1185. I find his placement there problematic.

His father Henry, Count of Portugal was made Count of Portugal in 1096 with his wife Princess Theresa, Countess of Portugal as co-ruler. Henry died on 12 May 1112 exactly (very much a known date), when his son was a young child. Rather than a regency by Theresa, our articles seem to imply Theresa became countess suo jure. On 24 June 1128 Afonso dethroned his mother through war and became sole count. And to confuse things further on 25 July 1139 he became a sovereign monarch of the Kingdom of Portugal. So I put forward the question of what to do with him.

If we give Afonso the title from 12 May 1112 and recognise his sovereignty, then he suddenly jumps to second place between Louis XIV of France and Elizabeth II of Britain. If we give him 24 June 1128 as the start and sovereignty, than he jumps to the 21st place between James VI of Britain and Conrad I of Burgundy. If we give him 25 July 1139 and sovereignty, than he vanishes from any list (only 46 and 1/2 years). To me there seemingly is no reason to place him in the known non-sovereign known dates and unknown dates.212.79.110.148 (talk) 20:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

If he does come here he should belong on the second list Jackal Himorse (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

The section is titled with "dependent or constituent states", which the Kingdom of Portugal certainly wasn't. The County of Portugal was under Galician vassalage, but the creation of the kingdom separated it and subsumed it into the new crown. I removed him for now.212.79.110.148 (talk) 23:25, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

I've restored him. Best to a consensus, if you want to delete him. GoodDay (talk) 02:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Agree with GoodDay He doesn't belong on the first list as his State wasn't even sovereign until 1139 Jackal Himorse (talk) 06:50, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Lý Nhân Tông Start Date

His own article says he died on 15 January 1128 meanwhile his Father,Lý Thánh Tông's article says that he died on 1 February 1072 This would give him a reign of around 55 Years and about 348 days Jackal Himorse (talk) 13:42, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes it would. If he's moved to the first list then we'll have to remove Mudzaffar Shah III of Kedah (whose dates are unsourced, by the way). Tintero21 (talk) 16:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes but Tintero21 his dates are sourced as his own article and his father's article says that the former's reign started on 15 January 1547 and the latter says he died on 15 January 1547 his own article says that Muzaffar Shah III himself died on 3 August 1602 Jackal Himorse (talk) 05:00, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

If the dates come from somewhere then the source should be referenced, which is not the case. Tintero21 (talk) 15:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

I tried a Google Search and there isnt really that much on him the most Sources are either Wikipedia mirrors or Random Birth Websites Jackal Himorse (talk) 15:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2022

I just want edit the date of the reigning monarch 103.108.20.109 (talk) 00:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Al-Mustansir Billah

Al-Mustansir Billah is listed in the "Monarchs whose exact dates of rule are unknown", but sources do give him exact dates (15th Shaban, 427 AH – 18th Zilhaja, 487 AH). I believe this source is the only one that dates his death to 6 January 1096; most sources give 29 December 1095 [2][3] [4] [5] [6]. I've also looked into online calendar converters and most of them give 29 December [7][8] [9] [10]. Even if we take into account any discrepancy, his reign still falls between 58y 199d and 58y 207d, which is enough to make it to the first list (as N°18, between Pedro II and Nicholas I). Tintero21 (talk) 17:59, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

I've added Him to the Top List Jackal Himorse (talk) 06:50, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

2nd List

I think it should be expanded to be 55 Years to align with the 1st and 3rd Lists 103.137.24.25 (talk) 11:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Nope. GoodDay (talk) 13:04, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2022

This monarch Hyeokgeose Geoseogan should be here as he Reigned from 57 BC to 4 AD for about 60 Years 103.137.24.222 (talk) 14:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Added Jackal Himorse (talk) 12:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Elizabeth I

I really like the new look of Elizabeth II but don’t we now need to do the same for Elizabeth I? Samlacey (talk) 14:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

She's not on this list, though. GoodDay (talk) 15:03, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

My mistake I meant Victoria that will teach me for not checking! Samlacey (talk) 18:03, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Queen of Tuvalu since 1952?

Hi everyone, I'm new here. The information about Elizabeth II in the current version of this article is incorrect. The Queen has only reigned for 70 years, since 1952, in four countries. To include Tuvalu (as one example) in the list is inaccurate. If she's "reigned" in Tuvalu since 1952, even though Tuvalu was a British colony/dependency until 1978, then why don't we also include Bermuda and and the Cayman Islands and other UK overseas territories? Each Commonwealth realm is a sovereign state with a legally distinct monarchy. For historical reasons, the person who is the Queen of the UK is also the Queen of Tuvalu, but the Tuvaluan Crown is separate from the British Crown . The article would be truer and more concise if only the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand were listed in 2nd place, and if her 60-year reign in Jamaica was listed separately farther down the list. Hobbitron38 (talk) 21:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hobbitron38:, see RFC above. GoodDay (talk) 21:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

The RFC notwithstanding, the article currently says that the Queen has reigned in Tuvalu as a sovereign state since 1952. That's just incorrect. Hobbitron38 (talk) 21:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I know it's incorrect. GoodDay (talk) 21:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Looking more into the past discussions, I do see that the community decided to make a distinction between colonies that became sovereign states and colonies that never obtained sovereignty. I know in your case I'm preaching to the choir, but it seems to me that the advocates of including colonies-turned-countries post-1952 in the same group as the four countries where she actually has reigned for 70 years have missed the point of the article. The Queen is the second longest-reigning monarch in history because of her concurrent reigns that began in 1952. She's also the 14th longest-reigning monarch in history because of her reign in Jamaica. I hope everyone will realize that her other reigns are not ex officio extensions of her British reign and are irrelevant in this context. Hobbitron38 (talk) 22:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I already made all those arguments, to no avail. If enough editors decide that Blue is Red? The result is Blue is Red. GoodDay (talk) 22:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'm clearly late to the party, but maybe one day the discussion will reopen. Hobbitron38 (talk) 22:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)