Talk:List of journalists killed in Europe

Russia on the map

Russia should be darkest. Why is it colorless?

And Italy has a lot of murders, at least one in 1993 which is in the 1992-2016 map interval, but Italy is white like Germany and Romania, both with no murders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.248.151.197 (talk) 04:04, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Time

What are the time restrictions on this list? I mean, there were obviously lots of journalists murdered during the Second World War across Europe, but that doesn't really seem to fit the narrative. Is this article limiting itself to post-WW2? After the fall of the Wall? effeietsanders 16:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Ping user:Niccolò Caranti (OBC) :) effeietsanders 18:36, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

effeietsanders I've created the article using CPJ data starting from 1992, so it is mostly complete only for the post-1992. It was later expanded adding old and (unfortunately) new cases, without a time restriction in mind. Limiting it to the post-WW2 is something that certainly makes sense, but it would mean removing some information from the Spain list. I am wondering if there could be some other solutions... --Niccolò "Jaqen" Caranti (OBC) (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Curation means that you'll have to limit the information somehow. That doesn't mean throwing away the data, but you could consider setting up a second/third/etc list. I can imagine one list from a sensible date until the end of WW2, one from WW2 to the fall of the iron curtain, and one for after. effeietsanders 18:48, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

georgia/armenia

The list includes them, but the map doesn't. Is it possible to pick a consistent definition? Is there a reason why Georgia is included, but Russia isn't? (feels a bit odd) effeietsanders 19:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

The countries included in the list are those included in Template:Europe topic. I simply took the map as it was. I believe Russia is not included because it would be to dark, but I'm note sure. If it creates to much confusion it could be removed (or at least moved away from the lead section). If we want an infographic that can be easily modified it can be created with a template, such as a bar chart. --Niccolò "Jaqen" Caranti (OBC) (talk) 07:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

An SVG shouldn't be too hard to change either, I guess? Once you know what data you're trying to put in there, the rest is a matter of setting color values. But it should at least use the same definitions - it feels a bit arbitrary to use a different definition - even though the visualization has some obvious values too. Another solution is to adjust the definition used on the page. The article should include a definition of 'Europe' anyway. effeietsanders 18:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

For the moment I've added a clarification. It is not so easy for me to edit the map, and as the list is incomplete I believe it make more sense to put there some graph that can be easily updated by anyone. I've playing with some alternatives in my sandbox, but I still haven't been able to find a convincing solution (but I've become convinced that we need some system to better handle graphs). --Niccolò "Jaqen" Caranti (OBC) (talk) 16:02, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Ukraine

Missing journalists:

- Andrei Mironov - Andrea Rocchelli - Anatoly Klyan - Igor Kornelyuk - Anton Voloshin - Andrey Alexeyevich Stenin - Serhiy Nikolayev - Andrei Nikolaevich Mironov

on duty or not

When a journalist is murdered, it is sometimes unclear whether the murder was related to the journalist's work (on duty) or for other reason. Could someone clarify the criteria used to write a murdered journalist's name on this list? 130.238.112.129 (talk) 22:00, 5 April 2024 (UTC)