Talk:List of countries with McDonald's restaurants/Archives/2012

outlets per country

would anybody consider putting how many outlets are currently operating in any giving country?

e.g. Britain: 780 outlets...

Any tourists who have been to foreign countries and have seen McDonald's restaurants there should put them on this article. --SuperDude 05:40, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, more info on presence in each country would be nice; I started with Russia, and mentioned the towns. (For countries with McDonald's in many towns it would be too much to list all, however.) --Patrick 15:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

article name

I changed the name of this article to mimic the language and syntax used in the title of the List of countries with Burger King restaurants article. Kingturtle 02:13, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

VfD

On May 14, 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep (no consensus). See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of countries that McDonalds franchises their restaurants in for a record of the discussion. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

I know this is like 5 years later... but I'm glad it was not deleted. When I asked my hubby if there was anywhere that lacked a McDonald's he said N. Korea and I had to look it up and lo and behold wiki has the answer to everything. 71.246.212.134 (talk) 04:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Cuba/McDonald's

The only McDonald's in Cuba is in Gitmo, owned/leased by the U.S. The article implies that it is accessible to ordinary Cubans. It is not.

Thats terrible, not that any Cuban would be benefiting from going to McDonald's ElFroggo

Shouldn't Cuba then be also included in the list of countries without a Mcdonald's? Even if Guantanamo Bay is technically outside the USA (as illustrated by the legal status of the detainees) it is, for all intents and purposes not Cuba either. (It is leased from Cuba I know - but as no Cubans get access to it - the McDonald's could also be on the moon and it wouldn't make any difference to them). However, Iraq gets credited with a Burger King in the article on Burger King, even though it is only in the Green Zone AFAIK, so I'll leave it. --Soylentyellow 21:20, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Guantanamo is not part of Cuba, so Cuba must be listed without McDonalds. In fact, Guantanamo is the only country border that Cuba has, so is recognized as US territory. josemiotto —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC).

Effect of McDonald's opening

I'll look for some citations on the preservation issues and agricultural markets if ProhibitOnions will also look for citations for improved hygiene, etc. The article can only improve with verifiable references. Dystopos 28 June 2005 20:32 (UTC)

From the article: In Thomas L. Friedman's 1999 book The Lexus and the Olive Tree the following theory was presented: "No two countries that both had McDonald's had fought a war against each other since each got its McDonald's".

This may have been true in 1999 when Friedman wrote the book, however NATO bombed Serbia the same year. I remember a report of the bombings in Swedish television. I'm not sure, but I think they said that a McDonalds restaurant had almost been hit during the bombings.

I hope someone with insight could correct this.

Biggest cities without a McDonald's

Have been wondering about this related question, of course measuring the true population of a city is notoriously hard, see the discussions at List of metropolitan areas by population and Thirty most populous cities in the world. High up on the list would be Lagos, Chennai, Dhaka and Kinshasa I would say. Matthewmayer 23:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

3 McDonald's are located in Chennai. [1]--Kanzler31 (talk) 21:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Singapore

I think Singapore McDonald's are not franchised after the year 2002, and some other countries. Is it true? Terenceong1992 05:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Contradiction

Egypt is listed as number 54, and is described as the first McD's in Africa, yet Morocco (an african country) is listed at number 49. Also, the text beneath Morocco mentions the fall of communism. I'm guessing that someone entered morocco instead of some eastern bloc country.

In addition, China is listed as having it's first McDonalds in 1990 in Shenzhen, yet is listed below other countries that opened McD's later. Ud terrorist 18:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The Eastern bloc comment used to refer to Poland until Morocco intervened. The Morocco McDs does appear to be the first in Africa: I'm providing a reference for that. Matthewmayer 23:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

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WikiWeakneses

Two dangerous WikiWeakneses are rearing their ugly heads here;

• Governance by consensus rather than verifiable fact allows erroneous, misleading, or disingenuous information to be present as if it is verified fact when, in reality, it is simply what the majority of people agree to allow on the page – true or not.

• The tendency to lean heavily on information generated by the subject matter, in this case McDonald’s corporate press releases, rather than independently verifiable fact generates a collection of information that sometimes sounds amazingly like corporate propaganda.

Lots of inaccuracies on this page:

1. “McDonald's is one of the most successful restaurant franchisers in the world, with locations in over 100 countries and territories.” This appears to have been lifted directly from corporate literature. Sovereign nations and territories are not synonymous and to collect them together in one count is misleading. Why not state that McDonald’s is in North America, the United States, and also Oklahoma? Apples and oranges are being liberally thrown together for one count. Depending on how one considers Taiwan (sovereign or not) then the list as presented on this page illustrates just over 80 sovereign nations hosting McDonald’s retail outlets. McDonalds utilizes the trademarked “McCounting™” system to sum up all the nations in which they operate. The McCounting™ system is therefore protected by law and we mere mortals should stick to the standard system of counting a sovereign nation as a sovereign nation.(i.e. North America, USA, and Oklahoma may be three entities, but they are not three nations)

2. “…if Panama is considered part of South America.” The first line of the page for Panama within Wikipedia is “Panama (Spanish: Panamá) is the southernmost country of North America.” The claim that, “four years after the expansion to Canada…McDonald’s had a presence on every inhabited continent except for Africa at the end of 1971,” is simply inaccurate. That boast could not be made for another eight years. (why not count Canada as Africa, and Vermont as South America... and the boast can be made that McDonalds had a presence on all continents in 1969? The point is, Panama is not part of South America so why state something so silly on the page?) According to McDonald’s corporation public records the first McDonald’s on each continent was:

• North America - Des Plaines, Illinois, USA April 15, 1955
• Asia - Tokyo, Japan July 20, 1971
• Europe - Zaandam (Amsterdam), Netherlands August 21, 1971
• Australia - Yagoona Bankstown (Sydney), Australia December 30, 1971
• South America - Rio di Janeiro, Brazil February 13, 1979
• Africa - Casablanca, Morocco December 18, 1992

3. “(1974) Antilles” is the 9th entry on the list. The name Antilles, according to Wikipedia, covers two dozen territories, dependencies, commonwealths, and sovereign nations. Should the entry be “Netherlands Antilles”? The Netherlands Antilles is a non-sovereign terriortory of The Netherlands. McDonald’s corporate information cites the Netherlands Antilles as their 16th international location (since August 16th, 1974). It is in fact an international location – but the Netherlands Antilles isn’t a country. None the less, “Antilles” needs to be corrected.

4. “(1985) Aruba” is the 31st entry on the list. Like the entry above, Aruba is not a sovereign nation – but a territory of the Netherlands, and a part of the Netherlands Antilles. McDonald’s corporate literature claims the location as their 37th international location (since April 4th 1985). Aruba is not a country, but a dependency.

5. “(1994) New Caledonia” the 58th entry on the list is not a country. The Wikipedia page for New Caledonia states that it, “is a French dependency.” France, the country, saw the firm enter the country on June 30th 1972. Corporate literature counts a variety of French possessions as countries in which they operate: Martinique 16 December ‘91, Guadeloupe 8 April ‘92, New Caledonia 26 July ‘94, Tahiti 10 December ‘96, Reunion 14 December ‘97, and French Guiana 22 February ’00 – none are sovereign countries.

6. (1995) Jamaica , the 64th in line needs to be struck from this list and shifted down to “former locations” A press release in October of 2005 announced McDonald’s retreat from the Jamaican market after ten years of business. Source: (http://www.licenseenews.com/news/news322.html)

7. “(1995) St. Maarten “is the 70th “country” on the list. Sint Maarten is, according to Wikipedia, part of the Netherlands Antilles; therefore it appears that the McCounting™ system allows for a super sizing by double counting.

8. “(1996) Tahiti” is the 80th “country”… see point 5 above.

9. “(1996) Western Samoa” is the 81st country on the list. According to Wikipedia the nation has not used that name in almost a decade. What used to be “Western” Samoa is now just plain old Samoa.

10. The 13th and 90th (Hong Kong, and Macao) entries on the list were never countries – they were formerly colonial possessions, but are now integral parts of the People’s Republic of China. Hong Kong welcomed the first retail outlet on January 8th, 1975, Macao on April 11th, 1987, and mainland China October 8th, 1990. McDonald’s corporate literature always promotes Hong Kong and Macao as “nations” so they could be added to the tally.

11. The nations with attached question marks saw the first retail outlets open as follows: Chile, November, 19th, 1990, Ecuador – October 9th, 1997, Portugal – May 23rd, 1991, Uruguay – November 18th, 1991

12. Montenegro is not an individual nation. Like Trinidad & Tobago, Serbia & Montenegro is one nation with two named parts. The first retail outlet opened in Belgrade on March 24th, 1988 while Yugoslavia still existed. The Montenegrins may opt for total independence in the near future (as may the citizens of Vojvodina) but as of this writing Serbia and Montenegro is a single nation – not two. (Interestingly, several urban legend debunking pages erroneously provide a link to http://www.mcdonalds.co.yu/ claiming that this is evidence Sarajevo now has a McDonalds. That link is to the Serbian & Montenegrin McDonald’s web page and states as much [in Serbian: Srbija i Crna Gora]. Sarajevo is in a different country.

13. The Reference Section lists one link to "Fascinating McFacts About McDonald's International", This piece is sprinkled with inaccuracies and fallacies and should be taken with a grain of salt. For example, passing reference is made to Puerto Rico being “Country no.3” Despite what many Puerto Ricans desire – by definition, their island is not yet a country and currently remains part of the US. (United States flags fly over McDonald’s outlets on the island), “Bosphorus River” is used to describe the Bosporus Strait, etc. Whomever wrote the text of that web page did not dwell on their Geography homework.

14. McDonald’s corporate literature long ago started boasting of super-sized figures when reporting on how many nations served as home to retail outlets. At times careful wording allows manipulative PR hacks to leave the impression that there are “122 countries” without actually making the statement that McDonald’s in 122 sovereign nations. At other times they fling caution to the wind and just make the claim. There are several glaring omissions from the list of countries on this page; however, even adding in all these possessions, the total number of sovereign nations falls short of the claims made by the corporation. Omissions on this page on this date include:

• Azerbaijan opened the first retail outlet on 6 November, 1999
• Bolivia on 23 October, 1997
• Brunei on 12 December 1992
• Costa Rica on 28 December 1970
• El Salvador on 20 July 1972
• Georgia on 5 February 1999
• Iceland on 3 September 1993
• Macedonia on 6 September 1997
• Mauritius on 4 July 2001
• Moldova on 30 April 1998
• Monaco on 20 November 1992
• San Marino on 6 July 1999
• Sri Lanka on 16 October 1998
• Suriname on 18 December 1997
• Ukraine on 28 May 1997

15. As for Matthewmayer’s comment about the largest city without a McDonald’s retail outlet - combined with the hackneyed urban myth claiming that Sarajevo and Pyongyang are the only capital cities in the world without outlets; the following is a list of national capitals, ranked by population, that do not have at least one McDonald’s outlet. The list was compiled by going to the UN list of sovereign nations and subtracting all nations listed as international locations in McDonald’s Corporation SEC filings. (Note that the population figures were taken from Wikipedia, therefore they must remain suspect and treated as unverified until confirmed with a legitimate source. Note also that McDonald’s may have entered a market since this was written);

• Dhaka, Bangladesh (12.6 million)
• Tehran, Iran (9 million)
• Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo (7.5 million)
• Baghdad, Iraq (5.8 million)
• Luanda, Angola (4.5 million)
• Nairobi, Kenya (3 to 4 million)
• Kathmandu, Nepal (3.2 million)
• Hanoi, Vietnam (3.1 million)
• Pyongyang, North Korea (2.5 to 3.8 million)
• Kabul, Afghanistan (2 to 4 million)
• Addis Ababa, Ethiopia (2.8 million)
• Havana, Cuba (2.2 million)
• Tashkent, Uzbekistan (2.2 million)
• Algiers, Algeria (2.1 million)
• Conakry, Guinea (2 million)
• Damascus, Syria (2 million)
• Accra, Ghana (1.9 million)
• Port-au-Prince, Haiti (1.9 million)
• Sana’a, Yemen (1.8 million)
• Bamako, Mali (1.5 million)
• Tripoli, Libya (1.5 million)
• Harare, Zimbabwe (1.5 million)
• Yaoundé, Cameroon (1.4 million)
• Antanànarìvo, Madagascar (1.4 million)
• Lusaka, Zambia (1.4 million)
• Kampala, Uganda (1.2 million)
• Brazzaville, Republic of the Congo (1.2 million)
• Yerevan, Armenia (1 million)
• Abuja, Nigeria (1 million)
• Freetown, Sierra Leone (1 million)
• Khartoum, Sudan (1 million)
• Dakar, Senegal (1 million)
• Phnom Penh, Cambodia (1 million)
• Maputo, Mozambique (966,837)
• Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso (960,116)
• Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan (900,000)
• Nouakchott, Mauritania (881,000)
• Kigali, Rwanda (851,024)
• Ulan Bator ,Mongolia (774,000)
• Bangui, Central African Republic (700,000)
• Lomé, Togo (700,000)
• Tunis, Tunisia (699,700)
• Niamey, Niger (674,950)
• Ashgabat, Turkmenistan (604,700)
• Kingston, Jamaica (600,000)
• N'Djamena, Chad (594,000)
• Lilongwe, Malawi (597,619)
• Libreville, Gabon (578,156)
• Monrovia, Liberia (572,000)
• Dushanbe, Tajikistan (562,000)
• Mogadishu, Somalia – (525,000)
• Banjul, The Gambia (523,589)
• Astana, Kazakhstan (520,000)
• Asmara, Eritrea (500,000)
• Djibouti City, Djibouti (450,000)
• Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (400,000)
• Bissau, Guinea-Bissau (355,000)
• Tirana, Albania (353,000)
• Dodoma, Tanzania (324,347)
• Bujumbura, Burundi (300,000)
• Georgetown, Guyana (250,000)
• Windhoek, Namibia (230,000)
• Porto-Novo, Benin (223,552)
• Vientiane, Laos (200,000)
• Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea (193,242)
• Gaborone, Botswana (186,000)
• Maseru, Lesotho (180,000)
• Dili, East Timor (150,000)
• Praia, Cape Verde (113,664 )
• Malabo, Equatorial Guinea (100,000)
• Yamoussoukro, Ivory Coast (100,000)
• Pyinmana,Burma (97,400)
• Malé, Maldives (81,647)
• Mbabane, Swaziland (70,000)
• São Tomé, Sao Tome and Principe (53,300)
• Thimphu, Bhutan (50,000)
• Port-of-Spain, Trinidad and Tobago (49,000)
• Honiara, Solomon Islands (30,413)
• Port Vila, Vanuatu (29,356)
• South Tarawa, Kiribati (28,802)
• Victoria, Seychelles (24,970)
• Majuro, Marshall Islands (25,400)
• Saint John’s, Antigua and Barbuda (24,000)
• Moroni, Comoros (23,400)
• Nuku'alofa, Tonga (21,300)
• Kingstown, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (15,900)
• Roseau, Dominica (15,853)
• Basseterre, Saint Kitts and Nevis (15,500)
• Koror ,Palau (14,000)
• (no capital) Nauru (12,329)
• Castries, Saint Lucia (11,147)
• Palikir, Federated States of Micronesia (9,900)
• St. George’s, Grenada (7,500)
• Belmopan, Belize (7,000)
• Bridgetown, Barbados (5,928)
• Vaiaku, Tuvalu (4,900)
• Vatican City, Vatican City (925)

In conclusion – this page has a lot of glaring holes in it, a lot of inaccurate information, and some misleading information. It is pedantic to demand only sovereign nations are listed because McDonald’s can produce whatever list they want, however if Wikipedia is to remain independent of the PR machine then a little logic and some independent thought is required. If this page features a list of “countries” then only countries should be listed. If the desire is to follow the corporate guidance then mixing nations with other sorts of geopolitical entities is fine – just clearly state that is what is happening.

The entry dates for various nations were taken from Securities & Exchange Commission reports filed by the McDonald’s Corporation, and corroborated with McDonald’s Corporation press releases, and independent news reports.

All population figures are quoted from Wikipedia and are, by nature, suspect. 202.161.131.69

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Major Edit and Clean Up

The “list of countries” was cleaned up to show countries – as opposed to countries, territories, dependencies, colonies, etc. Under countries were placed possessions. By doing so the number is greatly reduced when compared to the number used by the company (for example, Hong Kong is counted as a country in much corporate material and years ago Hawaii was counted as a “foreign location” in some corporate material) Precise dates for the opening of the first retail outlet in each nation is presented where available. These dates were culled from Securities and Exchange Commission reports filed by McDonald’s.

Additional cleaning up included:

• The removal of the following paragraph due to it being a non sequiter “(1967) Canada - Despite McDonald's global nature today, it took 27 years from its original founding to expand to its first foreign country. Canada and the United States, however, have, and had in 1967 close diplomatic relations, as well as the world's longest undefended land border, making Canada a clear first choice for any expanding American company.

• Removal of the following paragraph due to fact that Panama is not in South America – so the statement is meaningless. “(1971) Australia - Four years after the expansion to Canada, these five countries were chosen for McDonalds' first round of overseas expansions. McDonalds had a presence on every inhabited continent except for Africa at the end of 1971 (if Panama is considered part of South America).

• Removal of the following line because it is already incliuuded on the main McDonalds Wikipage under “Extreme McDonald's” “(1984) Finland - The world's most northern McDonald's in Rovaniemi “

• In the following line the name was reverted to “Taiwan” and “Free Area of the Republic of China Taiwan Area” remnoved due to the lack relevance to the page… what area on Taiwan is NOT free? Did the author not understand the differnce between the Repblic of China and the People’s Republic of China? “ (1984) Republic of China 'Free Area of the Republic of China|Taiwan Area'"

• The following paragrapoh was removed from within the liust because the same topic is addressed in the opening paragraph - “(1990) Russia (then part of the Soviet Union) The opening of the first McDonald's in the Soviet Union was seen as highly symbolic, as a great symbol of international capitalism was encroaching on a nation that was once the leader of the Communist bloc. After the USSR's collapse in 1991, McDonalds continued its presence in Russia, later expanding to other former Soviet states. The first Moscow McDonald's was a joint venture between McDonald's Canada and the Soviet government.”

• The following line was removed due to the non sequiter nature of the statement, “ (1992) Poland - The fall of the Iron Curtain opened up Central and Eastern Europe for foreign businesses, which rapidly took advantage of the opportunity.”

• The following paragraph was removed due to the information already being captured on the main McDonald’s Wikipage under “Other interesting restaurants” “ First restuarant in Ramat-Gan, Tel Aviv^[2]. The opening of McDonald's in Israel was controversial due to the Jewish dietary laws of Kashrut. Religious law forbids eating food that contains dairy and meat in the same meal (e.g. cheeseburgers). Most McDonald's locations in Israel serve cheeseburgers, however around seven restaurants maintain a meat only policy and are Kosher. Each year, during the Jewish holiday of Passover, which lasts about a week, McDonalds serves its sandwiches with unleavened buns^[3] and does not serve dairy products in any of its stores.”

• The erroneous count was removed because… because it is erroneous (1996) Belarus (McDonald's 100th country, by the company's calculation)

• The listing of Montenegro was removed because, as the original author states, Montenegro is part of the sovereign nation “Serbia & Montenegro” That nation includes four provinces; Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, Vojvudina. This is a list of countries… not countries AND provinces within countries. – “ (2004) Montenegro, part of Serbia and Montenegro “

Cletus J. "Bubba" Huckabee Jr. 03:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Looks like some special helpers have come along and assisted by reverting lots and lots on non-nations to the list. Maybe some helpers who didn’t do so well in Geography class? This is a Wikipedia Page and trumpets itself as an encyclopedia – yet over the months the information had reverted to being the erroneous chest thumping of a McDonald’s PR person. McDonald’s loves to count Hawaii and American Samoa and Tasmania and Hong Kong as a nation. That gets their count up and swells their corporate ego. Looks like the lemmings have followed the lead and reverted this entire list to what the corporate mogul want you to believe. Not very encyclopedic… very milquetoast. 202.79.62.19 08:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Iraq "MaDonal"

There is a store "MaDonal" in Iraq [4] [5] - this isnt official is it? so it couldnt be included here? --Astrokey44 03:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

There appears to be a picture of a McDonald's in Iraq taken by Michelle Malkin or her staff. Perhaps this should now be included? Ufwuct 17:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Zimbabwe?

Can anyone provide a source for this? It seems like insanity that McDonald's would open up a location in that country. It would be like opening one up in North Korea. - rmsharpe 06:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

while this 1997 news story says they were looking for a partner in zimbabwe, couldnt find anything definite and i was thinking it might have been an April Fools joke because of the date --Astrokey44 09:29, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I did some Googling and saw that story too. It hadn't even occured to me that it would be an April Fool's joke. I'm going to take it down until anyone can confirm the validity of that edit. By the way, I love your fast food maps that you've created. - rmsharpe 03:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

U.S. Territories

Should Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands and American Samoa be included in the list of countries? Like Greenland above, they also are not sovereign nations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rickvaughn (talk • contribs) 11:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Nigeria

I removed Nigeria from the list of countries that had a McDonald's. It said that it had a McDonald's in Nigeria that was going to open on 30 June, 2007, however, I can't find anything on the Internet backing up this claim. The statement also said it was not verified by McDonald's itself. Cool Blue^{talk to me} 13:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, out of complete curiosity, I decided to put "McDonald's Nigeria" on google and found a interesting topic on a forum that someone who was a member of the forum was making a investment to open up a Micky D's in Nigeria. Here is a link, [6] but not sure if this was a joke or not.--Kanzler31 (talk) 03:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Iraq

A McDonald's in Baghdad exists [7]. User:Skafa/Sign 22:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Iran

Can anyone provide a source for the Iranian former McDonalds? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Louis Do Nothing (talk • contribs) 23:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

New Discussion

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 12:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Redundancy

It makes no sense to present the same information in two separate sections, with the only difference being the one is sorted by country, and the other sorted by date. The section titled "By year" contains more information than the preceding section. Unless there is any significant argument against doing so, I'm going to convert that section into a sortable table, using the "By year" data. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Kenya

Well, since we have a article on the Big Mac Index, it says that the 2nd slowest order is in Nairobi, Kenya. Yet Kenya isn't included in the list and is on the countries that don't have a McDonalds. Can anyone fix this?--Kanzler31 (talk) 21:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

There IS no Macdonalds in Kenya. It is not here. There is none... so how could the 2nd slowest order be in Nairobi, since it isn't IN Nairobi!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.201.211.202 (talk) 07:45, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Bosnia and Herzegovina

McDonald's is opening up in Sarajevo[8]--Kanzler31 (talk) 00:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It never opened. --Smooth O (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Libya

I've seen no other sources for this. Anyone can confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.25.222 (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Luxembourg

I'm an employee of McDonald's Germany which is also resposnible for the market of Luxembourg. Just a little contribution, but currently there are 7 McDonald's restaurants in Luxembourg. (Do I have to provide any "evidence" for that?) Batsi W (talk) 21:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Expandings

Expandings? Meconium (talk) 02:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Hong Kong and Macau, and their flags.

I have no problem about Hong Kong, as it still was a British colony when McDonald's opened the first outlet there. So, the flag of Hong Kong should be British Hong Kong flag. But how about Macau? The first McDonald's in Macau also opened when it still was Portuguese colony, the article also mentions that it was the first McDonald's in Portuguese territories. So, shouldn't the flag be Portuguese Macau flag (the blue with angels one)? The flag on the page is a green one which represents Macau SAR that became officially effective on 23th December 1999. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.121.90.165 (talk) 05:25, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Mistake

Australia is listed as the 11th country, yet its date is given as May 30, 1971. Wouldn't that make it 5th after Costa Rica (December 28, 1970) and before Guam (June 10, 1971). I assume the date is wrong. 60.224.3.242 (talk) 23:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)