Talk:List of Rajputs

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 August 2023 (3)

Please remove the entries of Benazir Bhutto and Shah Nawaz Bhutto from "Pakistani politicians and lawyers" section. The cited sources do not say that they are Rajputs. MahabaliKhali (talk) 12:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

See this. Ameen Akbar (talk) 00:06, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Deactivating edit request as it's been pending for more than a month and hence it's clear none of the people patrolling this queue are willing to implement it. If some talk pages watcher wants to do so, feel free. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2023

Kundan A Singh (talk) 17:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add sport figure hockey player kd singh babu

 Not done. We need a source that he was a Rajput. MahabaliKhali (talk) 05:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

What about Ravana Rajputs?

@Fylindfotberserk can this list include other Ravana Rajputs? I can see Anand Pal Singh's name. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 16:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Abhishek0831996: Always wondered about that. It was added here by Ratnahastin, lets ping them. The article used as a source [1] mentions some sort of solidarity and appropriation of his "legacy" by the Rajputs. Excerpts -

The Rajputs also saw in him an answer to the Jat gangsters whose reign Anandpal ended. Jats resent Rajputs for the latter’s historical domination in a region where the Jats are the numerical majority.

His death also sparked a rush to appropriate his legacy with Rajput bodies, who had earlier kept a distance from Anandpal, coming out in solidarity.

- Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ratnahastin

@No2WesternImperialism

Give your opinions. Should this list include famous Ravana Rajputs? Abhishek0831996 (talk) 12:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Admantine123, LukeEmily, Sitush, Chariotrider555, and Fowler&fowler: for inputs. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Ravana Rajputs are not considered as Rajputs by Rajput community itself. They are also included in Other Backward Class and i think this case is similar to Lodhi Rajputs. They are not Rajputs, but call themselves Rajputs. Admantine123 (talk) 13:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Admantine123 A classic example of why all of these lists should be binned - anyone can claim, or be claimed, to be anything. - Sitush (talk) 14:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

You are right. Next time if there is a proposal like that, I will favour commenting in support of that Admantine123 (talk) 16:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk, @LukeEmily, @Sitush, @Chariotrider555, @Admantine123, @Fowler&fowler

I'm adding the names of father & son, Thakur Hari Singh Shekhawat and Dalpat Singh (soldier) respectively. These people are well respected and owned by the Rajput community therefore I see no problem. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 00:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Abhishek0831996 Gosh, you had to find some obscure news sources to verify those! It's all rather pathetic & tub-thumping. I'll be glad when all these lists are deleted and their supporters treated with the disdain they deserve.

I'm not even sure that The Free Press Journal is correct in saying that the Military Cross is an extremely rare award, even for officers. My great-uncle was awarded two of the things and the entire point of the MC was that only officers could get it (part-way through WW1, the Military Medal was introduced as an equivalent for "other ranks"/non-officers because too many Crosses were being handed out; MC awardees got a pension but MM awardees didn't). Since Dalpat was an officer, he'd get the Cross by definition. I'd be interested to see proper analysis - not a rubbishy newspaper - that shows MCs were not awarded reasonably proportionately by nationality according to, say, hours served on the front lines. - Sitush (talk) 03:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

BTW, I note that the source says Dalpat's MC was awarded posthumously. That wasn't possible - unlike, say the Victoria Cross, it wasn't available to be awarded in that way. - Sitush (talk) 03:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Sitush, I don't support these lists. I'm improving them till the time they exist. Take a chill pill Abhishek0831996 (talk) 04:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Abhishek0831996 I'm not surprised that Rajputs want to recognise these two - they're seen as heroes. Much less keen to recognise the numerous criminals, at least for that criminality. But I still think your sourcing is poor - the Free Press Journal is clearly wrong on details and/or badly written - & in fact don't think we should use newspapers at all because Indian media is notorious for copying off each other without much thought, which perpetuates errors. - Sitush (talk) 05:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Sitush, I'd never shy away from adding criminals too and most probably would do in future. Starting with dacoits and gangsters who have proven criminal records Abhishek0831996 (talk) 07:41, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Why not? The Rajputs, themselves, were once warrior groups outside the caste system that came to the aid of established rulers and thereby underwent caste upliftment in the late 1st millennium CE and early second millennium CE. Why is it the fault of the Ravana Rajputs (and in particular this so-called "gangster") that they appeared too late in the history of India's bogus notions of stratification and ritual purity? Either AfD the List of Rajputs altogether, or add the Ravana Rajputs.

PS I don't know if they trace their heritage to King Ravana, but he was a pundit, so Ravana Rajputs, by the laws of Mendelian genetics, would have a heritage that is both Brahmin and Kshatriya. They should therefore be placed at the very top of the List of Rajputs, standing at step 3 1/2 in the caste ladder, just 1/2 a rung below the priests.

PS2 I'm not sure what Sitush means by "binned," but if it implies "banned," in addition, I'm all for it. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler binned = deleted (and deprecated for the future). - Sitush (talk) 21:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

The word Ravana was used to signal half Rakshasa blood just like Ravan had on his mother's side. I doubt this has anything to do with Brahmins. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 01:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler, the Ravana Rajputs has actually no connection with demon king Ravana. They were the illegitimate children of Rajput rulers with their slave women or their maids. So, from mother side, they were born to some non-Rajput women, who were considered inferior in caste ranking. This is why Rajput community didn't recognise them as a part of their own caste. Admantine123 (talk) 07:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Keeping in mind that the Rajput community themselves descended from outcaste warrior communities which became powerful enough for the then upper castes to require their help. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The case of Anandpal Singh is different from the trend observed in Indian society. Infact, nowadays, we are witnessing reverse of what we call as Sanskritisation. Rajputs later started supporting Anandpal as he became a dreaded gangster and emerged as a challenger to a Jat gangster, the social group, whom they [Rajputs] consider as their rival. Hence, Rajputs of Rajasthan organised caste panchayats and meetings to support Anandpal Singh. It is believed that Singh was assassinated at the behest of then Rajasthan Home minister, who was also from Jat community. I read this years ago, so can't recall names of other characters. We need to keep a tab on the caste and surname articles as nowadays the Rajput community is claiming almost every surname to be their own, right from Yadav to Saini. There are number of websites made by caste groups to present pseudo historical facts as real history. Admantine123 (talk) 16:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I say that if high quality academic sources state he is a Rajput, then he can be included on the list. In fact, I think this should be extended generally to all caste identifications, that only high quality academic sources should be used to identify individuals with a particular caste. With a topic as contentious as South Asian social groups (WP:CASTE), only the high-tier sources should be used to verify content, of which I do not think news articles would fall under. I do not believe all caste lists need to necessarily be deleted, as long as reliable sources (in this case academic) are present a person can be included on a list.

Another idea is to split the List of Caste X articles up in the cases were Caste X is not really one caste but rather a group of pan-jati groups where there is debate (attested in reliable academic sources) that certain groups do or do not fall under a particular group identity, so that members of the list belong to a group with more coherent and cohesive identity group. At the end of the day social sciences has less objective truth than other disciplines. Chariotrider555 (talk) 06:18, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Ravana Rajput is a distinct caste from Rajput, and the two have no connection to each other. Therefore, it should not be included in this list. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 ^{𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜} 14:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Abhishek0831996, Please remove Dalpat Singh's name that you added in the British Indian military people section. The source provided for this addition is from The Free Press Journal, which is considered unreliable since it was published by FPJ Web Desk without a specific author. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 ^{𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜} 15:08, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

This particular statement by User:DreamRimmer – "the two have no connection to each other" - is factually incorrect. It is fact that they are paternally of Rajput ancestry. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Sitush, @DreamRimmer Source provided will be improved soon. No need for removal Abhishek0831996 (talk) 16:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Ravana Rajput is classified as an OBC (Other Backward Class) caste, while Rajput belongs to the General category. Although their categorization may vary between states, these are two distinct castes. Some sources mistakenly label Ravana Rajput as Rajput because of the similarity in their names. Since this list is focused on Rajput individuals, it might not be appropriate to include Ravana Rajputs. Are there any reliable sources that describe these two castes as being the same? 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 ^{𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜} 16:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 December 2023

This list of personalities from from Rajput community contains list of criminals also.

Please remove the names of criminals from this list of Rajputs. Criminals does not belong to any community. Adding them in the list of prominent Rajput serves no purpose and only depict a negative picture of the community. Abhimanyu200 (talk) 14:21, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't censor content. Notable people (famous or infamous) are added in these kind of lists. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:30, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 December 2023

Kindly add Salman Khan, actor.

Source: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_GClMfmSuw 2. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Yt7uzSAMk3g Wiki Samant (talk) 08:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

He didn't say he identifies as a Rajput. He said his maternal grandfather was a Rajput, paternally he is a Pashtun. Per WP:CASTEID, the subject needs to self-identify his caste. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Please add Mariam-uz-Zamani

Mariam-uz-Zamani, chief consort and principal Hindu wife of Emperor Akbar, should be added to this list. She is one of the most famous historical figures of India, the longest-serving Hindu Empress of the Mughal Empire and a woman, who are widely underrepresented in this list...! Thank you in advance. Erin2601 (talk) 19:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)