Talk:List of Marilyns in the Southern Highlands

Latest comment: 5 years ago by Britishfinance in topic Propose to re-direct page

A splash of colour?

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Class Height
Munro 3000+ ft 914+ m
Corbetts 2500 – 3000 ft 762 – 914 m
Grahams 2000 – 2500 ft 610 – 762 m
Marilyn –2000 ft –610 m

How do other editors feel about colouring the rows in the four pages of Scottish Marilyns based on the height of the Marilyn? I had in mind four colours, one each for Marilyn that are also Munros, Corbetts, Grahams and sub-2000' Marilyns (see box). Of the 1214 Scottish Marilyns, 205 are Marilyn Munros, 219 are Corbetts, 224 are Grahams and 556 are lower Marilyns. As an example, I've region 4A (the area around Glen Nevis) is done below. There are three reasons why I'd like to do this.

  1. It makes it easier to locate all mountains of one class — this is particularly relevant to Corbetts and Grahams, and once I've coloured these four lists, I'd like to propose that the List of Corbetts be deleted and either replaced by a redirect to List of Marilyns in Scotland or a similar Corbett-specific index page.
  2. Colour is another way to make certain information more accessible. As we order by prominence, identifying all of the hills of a certain height is non-trivial and the use of colour will hopefully ease this.
  3. It's livens up an otherwise dull black-and-white page.

A similar technique is used on the List of Hewitts and Nuttalls in England and the List of Hewitts and Nuttalls in Wales; however, the colouring there is based on topographical prominence (as the lists are ordered by height). Nevertheless, the principle is the same: the Hewitts are a subset of Nuttalls (if we ignore Ireland) in the same way that the Corbetts and Grahams are subsets of the Marilyns — colour is being used to allow the lists to be merged and Hewitts to be easily picked out of combined list.

Peak Height (m) Prom. (m) Col (m) Grid ref. Parent
Ben Nevis 1344 1344 Sea NN166712 none — HP Great Britain
Binnein Mòr 1130 759 371 NN212663 Ben Nevis
Stob Coire Easain 1115 611 504 NN308730 Ben Nevis
Leum Uilleim 909 499 410 NN330641 Chno Dearg
Màm na Gualainn 796 461 335 NN115625 Binnein Mòr
Beinn na Gucaig 616 451 165 NN062653 Màm na Gualainn
Stob Choire Claurigh 1177 446 731 NN262738 Ben Nevis
Aonach Beag 1234 404 830 NN197715 Ben Nevis
Glas Bheinn 792 388 404 NN258641 Leum Uilleim
Sgurr a' Mhàim 1099 316 783 NN164667 Binnein Mòr
Cruach Innse 857 306 551 NN279763 Stob Coire Easain
Sgurr Eilde Mòr 1010 271 739 NN230657 Binnein Mòr
Bidein Bad na h-Iolaire 528 263 265 NN115708 Sgurr a' Mhàim
Cnap Cruinn 742 245 497 NN302774 Cruach Innse
Stob Bàn 999 234 765 NN147654 Sgurr a' Mhàim
Sgurr Innse 809 216 593 NN290748 Cruach Innse
Creag Ghuanach 621 212 409 NN299690 Stob Choire Claurigh
Binnein Beag 943 197 746 NN221677 Binnein Mòr
Beinn na Cloiche 646 194 452 NN284648 Glas Bheinn
Stob Bàn 977 174 803 NN266724 Stob Choire Claurigh
Càrn Mòr Dearg 1220 162 1058 NN177721 Ben Nevis
Doire Ban 566 161 405 NN090643 Màm na Gualainn
Sgurr Choinnich Mòr 1094 159 935 NN227714 Stob Choire Claurigh
Tom Meadhoin 621 155 466 NN087621 Màm na Gualainn
Druim na h-Earba 288 153 135 NN090713 Bidein Bad na h-Iolaire
Am Bodach 1032 151 881 NN176650 Sgurr a' Mhàim
An Gearanach 982 151 831 NN187669 Am Bodach
Cruim Leacainn 232 150 82 NN166807 Aonach Beag

Any thoughts? — ras52 12:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Looks good to me Lurker (said · done) 14:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
I like it.--Mark J 11:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
OK. I've done this page and rewritten the introduction. Feel free to change anything you don't like / correct anything that's wrong. Photos (per List of Hewitts and Nuttalls in England) would be good if anyone gets around to it before I do. — ras52 21:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Deleted Marilyns

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While adding colour to this page, I noticed that there was a missing Marilyn — the numbers didn't add up. I've now located it (it was Meall Chomraidh, region 2A), and have added notes against the 3 Marilyns in this area that have been added since publication of the book. There's also one Marilyn that has been deleted: Cruach Bhuidhe in region 19C (height: 548m; drop: 149m; NS125947). It would be nice to find some way of noting this in the article. A footnote would seem the obvious way, but there's nowhere appropriate to attach the footnote. Any ideas? — ras52 16:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

I'd attach the footnote to the end of the introduction. Lurker (said · done) 09:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Ceann na Baintighearna

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In the list of marylins, the hill at NN474163 (Loch Lomond to Strathyre section) is given as Beinn Stacath. Where it occurs as a parent peak, its name is given as Ceann na Baintighearna. The OS map gives the latter name for the subsidiary summit to the north overlooking the lochs, and doesn't use the former name. Am changing the name in the list to Ceann na Baintighearna for consistency, until somebody supplies a more authoritative name for the summit itself. Gwedhi (talk) 14:55, 1 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

I don't think the summit has any officially recognised name; none appears on any OS map. On the most recent 25K map Bealach Stacach (sic) is applied to an area about 300m SE of the summit but which goes not appear to be pass. Baintighearna is not the name of the summit. It is strange that the summit is not named as it is prominent both in the general sense and per the prominence metric that is used to define a "Marilyn". (I was there in August 2010). Viewfinder (talk) 21:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Googlemaps has Stob fear-Tomhais for the summit. However, Ceann na Baintighearna is the name used for the Corbett on the Scottish Mountaineering Club website. I'd stick with that. Gwedhi (talk) 12:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

Càrn Mòr

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The Càrn Mòr that figures here as a prominence parent is the one in the Ladder hills, not Càrn Mòr in Knoydart. What has stumped me is that the article on the latter says it's a Marilyn but it's not in this list. Have I messed up somewhere or were things wrong anyway? Thincat (talk) 23:46, 19 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Solved, it's in the Northern Highlands! Thincat (talk) 23:51, 19 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Propose to re-direct page

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This is an old list of Marilyns on data which is out of date (some measurements have been updated, especially prominences), and whose sourcing is unclear (and thus, the data is not really useable). A new article, List of Marilyns in the British Isles, now includes all the Scottish Marilyns (sortable vs. all the 2,011 British Isles and vs. just English), and the data is sourced from an October 2018 download of the Database of British and Irish Hills (the best database for mountains in the British Isles). The DoBIH tables also show the topo map, map section, grid ref and other classifications of each Marilyn. The table is also linked (each Marilyn linked to their own Wikipedia article where it exists). The new table is also in a format that it can be downloaded and updated again from the DoBIH in the future without much editing (and thus limits WP:OR issues, which are important when downloading from what is a Primary source), and thus by keeping all Marilyns in one Wikipedia article, we have a better chance of maintaining the integrity and accuracy of the Marilyn lists and data. Note, that some Marilyn articles have "parent" peak data (which seems also unsourced), however the DoBIH will not list parent peaks outside of defining parents of "tops" (as per the new Wikipedia articles on Munro Tops, Donald Tops etc.), or other low-prominence peaks (e.g. Nuttall), and in particular, the DoBIH will not list "parents of parents", and will not list parents of Marilyns. I think their approach is correct, as I think this issue can cause much confusion among non-technical readers.Britishfinance (talk) 17:00, 19 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

  Done Per above, am re-directing this page to the 2018 new page on Marilyns (List of Marilyns in the British Isles) that contains all the data on this page (bar parents, which are not appropriate), and are up to date with latest measurements. Britishfinance (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2018 (UTC)Reply