Talk:List of EastEnders characters (2015)

Vincent

Denise called Kim's husband Vincent in last night's episode. The only source there is is the actual episode itself, and unless there is two Vincent's, I think it's okay to put his full name down as Vincent Hubbard. Wasn't a live segment so can't have been a mistake. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 19:28, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Agree I believe this to be the case BUT don't do it until it's confirmed this is an example of Wikipedia:CRYSTAL. 80.42.90.197 (talk) 22:41, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Agree with 80.42.90.197, it needs to be confirmed first either by the show or a news outlet/magazine. - JuneGloom07 Talk 01:19, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

It's almost like asking for a source to prove that Denise and Kim are sisters. Denise has mentioned Vincent's name several times; Richard Blackwood was the Contact picture on Kim's phone in last night's episode and RB has been credited as "Vincent" in several episodes. What more proof do you need? — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 22:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Kristopher Hanley

Kris was seen in 1990 albeit as a background character but the 'first screen appearance' bit here is misleading for that reason. Which troll did this and can it be fixed please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.50.172 (talk) 21:31, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

It was not a "troll", just a simple mistake by a human being. If he appeared in 1990, then his section needs moving to that list. - JuneGloom07 Talk 01:34, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I mentioned that 26 February was his first credited appearance. He was seen in 1990 for a mere few seconds, played by an actor whom we don't know and it's not worth moving the character. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 14:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Claudette

Claudette is Donna's foster mother, not her real mother, so please don't put her surname as such. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 19:43, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Derek Evans

Derek Evans has appeared on the show before and has his own section already on a different section of Wikipedia. He is a recurring character who has appeared sporadically in several episodes over the years so he does not need to be recorded on this section.82.47.191.23 (talk) 16:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Removed. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 18:52, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Could you provide an edit summary next time, so other editors know why he was removed. Thanks. - JuneGloom07 Talk 19:48, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Apologies. Was in a rush. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 20:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Sources

• Caroline Faber, played PC Vanessa Jenkins: http://www.crawleyobserver.co.uk/what-s-on/entertainments/eastenders-policewoman-caroline-faber-prepares-for-some-unusual-evenings-1-6550919 "“I have this very direct role in EastEnders playing a police officer".
• Andrew Sachs, played Cyril Bishop: Multiple News Outlets reporting on his casting, first mentioned: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/news/a617847/fawlty-towers-star-andrew-sachs-to-guest-star-in-eastenders.html#~paCyK1QMR6xJf4, his role confirmed in: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2882212/Que-Fawlty-Towers-actor-Andrew-Sachs-join-cast-EastEnders-year-guest-star.html. Daily Star: 'A source said: “Cyril is the last person you’d want to share a hospital room with. He doesn’t shut up".', describes him as "irritating", "he'll be rubbing cancer stricken Stan Carter (Timothy West) up the wrong way". EastEnders criticised for its recent use of celebrities cameos, such as Sach's: http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eastenders-coronation-street-dont-need-5465070
• Jan Harvey, played Margaret Midhurst: http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-03-05/june-whitfield-and-jan-harvey-to-guest-star-on-eastenders: '"Talking of her latest role, Jan said: “I loved working on such an iconic show. Everyone was so welcoming. EastEnders is really like one big family”.' 'Executive Producer, Dominic Treadwell-Collins added: “We are extremely privileged to have two British television legends joining us for guest roles as Albert Square heads into the Spring. Both June and Jan are class acts, bringing warmth and humanity to two characters who will shed some light on the pasts of two of our most iconic women – Sharon Mitchell and Kat Moon – changing both their lives in very different ways…”.'
• June Whitfield, playing Sister Ruth: http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-03-05/june-whitfield-and-jan-harvey-to-guest-star-on-eastenders: "I have watched EastEnders for years and have been so impressed by the standard of acting," said Whitfield. "It was an absolute delight to work with Jessie Wallace and I am very excited to be part of the show". (and most likely more after her appearance)
• Also Critical Reception of: Bonnie Langford's Carmel Kazemi, and Richard Blackwood's 'Vincent', plus minor on Denise Van Outen's Karin Smart: http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eastenders-coronation-street-dont-need-5465070

— M.Mario (T/C) 21:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Are you asking for them to be included in the article or is this just for safe-keeping? — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 21:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I did think that Cyril should have a separate section away from "other" based on the reports of Sachs' casting. I suppose the same goes for June Whitfield and Jan Harvey's characters. I'm not sure about the Caroline Faber quote though. –anemoneprojectors– 15:21, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Karin's husband

We have a husband, Trevor Smart, listed for Karin, but as Karin Smart isn't even her real name, how do we know she ever even had a husband, let alone one called Trevor Smart? Should we remove this? –anemoneprojectors– 08:27, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I'd suggest putting it in an air quote. They made it seem as if he was real, and since they were supposedly involved in dodgy dealings together, Trevor Smart may be in alias for her husband, too. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 09:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Could do. I can't remember too much about this storyline to be honest, it didn't really grab my attention! But even if he existed, probably not his name. –anemoneprojectors– 10:02, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Jade/Jonathan reception

Social worker complains to BBC over EastEnders storyline –anemoneprojectors– 21:34, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

It's worth mentioning. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 23:10, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Would you suggest putting it in Jade's section, or giving Jonathan a section and putting it there? (Or both?) –anemoneprojectors– 08:16, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Zaair

Does Zaair count as an actual character, seeing as he is never seen? Should the name redirect to Shabnam Masood#Stillbirth, as Natasha Butcher redirects to Bianca Jackson#Spina bifida? I think it should. –anemoneprojectors– 14:46, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

More than likely the baby wasn't a real baby, just a lump of polystyrene, so I think it should be redirected to stillbirth. It would be the equivalent of including a pet rock! — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 20:58, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

It won't have been a real baby because a real baby would move and cry and stuff, and it would have cost more than using a doll. It could have been anything. I assumed it was just blankets wrapped around blankets made to look like a baby. I don't think anyone can be called a character until they're seen, which is why the likes of Fat Elvis has a 2015 entry and not an earlier one, and as Zaair is never seen, he can't be considered a character. We just need to write a stillbirth section for Shabnam. I thought it would have been done a month ago, because people tend to be good at updating Wikipedia on these types of storylines - Linda's rape, Carol's cancer, etc. –anemoneprojectors– 22:07, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Louie Beale

Can we please add other characters like 1st cousin which is beth williams and other relatives like Sonia bianca cora ben kathy dot etc Crystal30003 (talk) 20:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

We don't add characters unless they've interacted with them. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 21:46, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

See Talk:List of EastEnders characters#Lauren's son Louie. –anemoneprojectors– 13:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Ridiculous rule. Max and Jack never interacted with their mother on EE yet they are included and rightly so. The interaction rule should only apply to extended relatives (for eg. Michelle Fowler to Louie). Relatives who have appeared at the same time or are aunts, uncles first cousins, stepparents, grandparents should be included. Beyond that they should not be included unless they have interacted in the show with them. Anything less than that is silly.--Cindy's Cafe (talk) 00:12, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Currently, all direct relatives are included, which is why Jack and Max have their mother listed. For all other relatives, it's about relevance and notable relationships. Not just about interaction. For clarification (because some people often appear to not understand what it means), direct relatives are parents, spouses, siblings and offspring - not aunts, uncles, cousins, nephews, nieces, grandparents of grandchildren. –anemoneprojectors– 08:30, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Good idea.--Cindy's Cafe (talk) 00:12, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Not a good idea, per WP:EE/MoS. Andwe still don't know Louie's surname as far as I know. Stephenb (Talk) 06:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2015

I am asking for persmission to edit this page because I want to extend Louie Beale's (the son of Lauren Branning and Peter Beale's) list of family members because it is far too short.

WhovianGirl94 (talk) 10:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:47, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

See also the above section where someone else requested family members to be added - only those significatnt to Louie are to be added, which is currently the ones that are already listed. –anemoneprojectors– 08:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

"Mystery Man"

I removed the section that was added for the character credited as "mystery man", because a) he's unnamed and b) he had no real-world information. If this character is likely to appear on a recurring basis and eventually be named, should he be included in the list? It would be under "others" for now. –anemoneprojectors– 09:41, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Why not listing Ian?

A hidden note under the "stepsons" category for Gavin Sullivan (which currently only lists Ben Mitchell) reads:

"Please do not add Ian Beale. Ben is listed here as Gavin helped raise Ben in South Africa. Additionally, we know the EastEnders website is often unreliable (especially its family trees) and it is unlikely in reality that Gavin could have adopted Ben because he has an actual father in Phil and Phil would have been aware of any adoption (which was not referenced on screen) and knowing Phil, he would have objected to it. Therefore, please do not change this to "adoptivesons" for now."

This hidden note does not specify any reason as why not to add Ian Beale, merely a list of reasons - purely based on speculation! - as to why "adoptivesons" shouldn't be used. Ian should be listed based on this reasoning. Spa-Franks (talk) 23:58, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

If you read WP:EE/Mos, it says "Not every family member should be included in the infobox, as it is for information essential to understanding the character's context in the overall fiction." - in this case, I don't think Ian merits inclusion yet. Gavin hasn't acted as his step-father, and Ian hasn't acted as his step-son. As for Ben, we have no idea whether he was adopted by Gavin, the show has never said either way, so he shouldn't be added as an adopted son. Stephenb (Talk) 08:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

@Stephenb: I agree Ben shouldn't be listed as an adopted son (if the show doesn't mention it, it hasn't happened, as far as I'm concerned), I'm saying the explanation seems unnecessary, I've not even thought of it as a possibility. Regarding Ian - to be honest, I think that this fact really seemed to hit Ian hard when Sharon mentioned it, so on that account I do believe it to be notable. I'm also of the view that if we're going to mention the stepsons, then all of them should be mentioned. It smacks of laziness otherwise. Spa-Franks (talk) 19:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually someone has told me that Ben was not going to be adopted by Gavin, but wanted Ben's name changed to Sullivan, but it never happened. Some people took this to be an adoption, but it wasn't. Normally we only include stepparents and stepchildren if the stepparent actually had something to do with bringing up the stepchild when they were a child, rather than married their parent when they were an adult. But I'm starting to think perhaps we should include stepparents and stepchildren if they are reliable sourced - lots of sources are referring to Sharon and Ian as stepsiblings. –anemoneprojectors– 19:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Surely when your mother marries another man that technically makes that person your stepfather whether you like it or not. So surely if it is not shown on screen as stepfather it should be included. They have had scenes together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.114.195 (talk) 23:16, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

It should only be listed where the relationship is notable. Gavin isn't notably Ian's stepfather, he's just Kathy's husband. anemoneprojectors 17:25, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Arthur Fowler II

(Copied from AnemoneProjector's talk page)

"Arthur was conceived from a one-night stand with a man that Stacey met before she started dating Martin Fowler (James Bye). When Stacey finds out that she is pregnant, she tells Martin that he is the father but hides her baby scans from him."

Uh, when was it said that she had a one-night-stand with a random man before she started to date Martin? The story so far is that Kush and Stacey had an offscreen one-night-stand and then she began sleeping with Martin and that either Kush or Martin could be the father (but the media points to it being Kush). Where did this man come from? Arjoccolenty (talk) 11:02, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

(copy of my original reply) Because Stacey told Shabnam that Kush isn't the father, other editors have decided that we cannot say Kush is the father, and therefore Stacey must have had a one-night stand with someone else. I reverted this a few times to say Kush is the father (because I read somewhere that Stacey thinks God is the father and clearly God isn't the father, it's Kush) but apparently it's ambiguous. It probably requires discussion. AnemoneProjectors 15:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

To say Stacey had a one-night stand with another man is WP:OR, as nobody has ever said in EastEnders that this has happened. We know Kush to be the father - Stacey already confirmed it. Her mental health problems since the birth are causing to think things that are not true. AnemoneProjectors 15:11, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

So does that mean we can change Arthur's history because it sounds really inaccurate when you have it written like that. Arjoccolenty (talk) 03:07, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

This week's Inside Soap confirms what we already know: Kush is the father, and also confirms what I said above about Stacey believing Arthur is the son of God - it's a symptom of her illness. I've restored it to say Kush is his father, but it's still being changed back. AnemoneProjectors 13:34, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Abigail Kazemi

Abigail Kazemi doesn't exist! She has never been mentioned, just Carmel's 2 other sons. Someone keeps adding her but they are making it up! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.232.47 (talk) 20:48, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Louie Beale surname reliable source

http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/eastenders/feature/a798195/eastenders-max-branning-6-ways-he-can-get-revenge-on-ian-beale/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.45.168 (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Is this a reliable source? Or are they assuming? EastEnders haven't yet confirmed the surname. anemoneprojectors 09:24, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I do believe DS are assuming here because EE haven't confirmed the name, however, I'm inclined to stay with it unless we hear otherwise, because in the real world, he should take his father's surname. anemoneprojectors 09:40, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Mitchell Cotton vs. Mitchell-Cotton

I have edited all mentions of Matthew's surname to 'Mitchell Cotton' as there has been a new trailer released which shows his passport and his surname is clearly not hyphenated. It was not hyphenated on his birth certificate either but when I tried to edit it on here it was reverted and someone used a non-BBC source to try and prove that it was hyphenated. I'm sorry but you can't ignore two instances of it being spelled the same way IN THE SHOW in favour of a non-BBC source which could have easily got it wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.120.12.228 (talk) 08:37, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Being not hyphenated in my opinion would imply that Mitchell is his middle name, and I don't think Ronnie would have stood for that, though I could be wrong and double-barrelled surnames might not always be hyphenated in real life. The certificate and passport are just props, not legal documents in reality, so that could be an error from the props department, but that's the evidence we have, so that's what we'll go by. —anemoneprojectors— 08:37, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

If I'm right in saying, double-barrelled surnames are never hyphenated on passports. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 09:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

(Respectfully) you're wrong. 165.120.12.228 (talk) 10:44, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Double-barrelled names can be written with or without a hyphen, see Double-barrelled name#British tradition. Also on the passport, 'Mitchell Cotton' is under the 'Surname' field and not the 'First name(s)' field. Eastendersgeek (talk) 10:55, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Eastendersgeek, that's helpful. —anemoneprojectors— 08:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Matthew

I tried to change this but it was reverted back, but shouldn't Matthew be classed as a past character as he left with Charlie, who has now made a confirmed exit. I doubt Matthew would still appear occasionally onscreen and I think if Jack ever visited him it'd be off screen.2A00:23C5:43B8:D00:99DB:DC7B:973D:22CB (talk) 22:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

I applied the 1 year rule but it hasn't been discussed. Aacfsftw (talk) 07:04, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I haven't seen the episodes yet but it sounds like he's a past character along with Charlie. If he returns, then I would apply the 1-year rule. — anemoneprojectors 10:08, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

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