Talk:Lisa Ling/Archive 1
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September 11 edit by 24.68.135.87
24.68.135.87 removed this sentence:
She drew fire for her comments after the September 11, 2001 attacks, in which she pointed out that Americans should think about why other people would want to attack.
I heard her say this, but I'll see if I can find a published source. Meanwhile, I'm adding it back. --Christopherlin 16:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Lisa Ling did not get engaged to an old fogey!
The link to philip levine is incorrect! She was engaged to Philip Levine, the media entrepreneur, not the poet born in 1928!
--Acebrock 07:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Laura
There are some notability issues with the other article and is probably going to get deleted so what's the problem?--23prootie (talk) 03:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- Could you explain what those notability issues are? Laura Ling's unfortunate circumstances in North Korea have already established her notability. When presidents, former vice-presidents, secretaries of state, governors and the media are all addressing the situation in which these two ladies find themselves, I'm fairly certain everyone involved will only become more notable in the very near future. I do not agree that the other article will be deleted. Xenophrenic (talk) 05:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- There are merge/delete discussions underway at Talk:Laura Ling and Talk:Euna Lee - comments there about the notability of these separate articles would be appreciated. Tvoz/talk 05:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Just removed unilaterally (with no discussion)
(Chinese: 凌志慧; pinyin: Líng Zhìhùi) Badagnani (talk) 03:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
She isn't Chinese. She is an American of Chinese descent. So why is her name also written out in their respective Chinese form? That's just ridiculous and the only people who could defend this are Chinese racialists. How come Chinese or not, everyone doesn't have their name in Chinese characters if they should be written out? Hence, that is why it is ridiculous for her too.
- The idea that an American of Chinese descent isn't Chinese is an insult to the English language. The idea that a name written in Chinese characters is automatically a Chinese name like that of a person of Sinosphere descent is ignorance of the Chinese language. HkCaGu (talk) 03:08, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Are you serious? Very little of what you say makes any sense and the little that does seems to indicate that you are a racialist yourself. You kinda proved his/her point. Your first sentence is bogus. A person born in America is American unless you are a racist or racialist which believes that one's allegiance is to one's race or racially based ethnicity. Your second sentence shows that you misunderstood what the original poster was making as a point. EVERYONE can have a Chinese name just like everyone can have a Romanized name. The point he/she was making was that if you are going to have Lisa Ling who is American and not Chinese have her name written out in Chinese characters why do you not do so with others, which agrees with your statement regarding "ignorance of the Chinese language." To do so with her is an ethnocentric act which she may or may not even agree with. This is a difficult conversation for most Chinese that I have encountered as most are at the same level of pre-1950's white people in their understanding of race. Most Han Chinese that I come across are inherently racist which makes sense as they are a very ethnocentric people. This is how people like that think. Capitalism will help them with that, but Lisa Ling is a well off American who most definitely doesn't think like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.145.35 (talk) 05:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- It is racist to me to compare the words "Chinese" and "American" side by side. "American" is not an ethnicity, but "Chinese" is, and it can be a nationality or an ethnicity. Therefore it is racist to say she is not Chinese just because she's American by nationality.
- What makes a Chinese name relevant is a person's heritage (born, adopted, or even self-adopted). A Chinese name is relevant in English Wikipedia when the person claims ownership to it. (FYI, Lisa had mentioned on The View that her middle name is her Chinese given name.) A Chinese name is also relevant because by definition it is not equivalent to its counterparts and it is not a transcription or transliteration (which can only be done from an alphabetical language into Chinese). A "Chinese name" is not simply a "name written in Chinese characters" which anybody can have--often with no consistency (Bush can be Buxi, Bushi or Bushu)--and which has no encyclopedic value.
- The logic is similar with Korean, Japanese and Vietnamese names because of the linguistic gap between these cultures and English. Such a gap doesn't necessarily exist for Americans of European and Middle Eastern descent.
- Lisa's parents gave her her Chinese name. She gave it out as her Chinese name. It's that simple. HkCaGu (talk) 05:59, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Are you serious? Very little of what you say makes any sense and the little that does seems to indicate that you are a racialist yourself. You kinda proved his/her point. Your first sentence is bogus. A person born in America is American unless you are a racist or racialist which believes that one's allegiance is to one's race or racially based ethnicity. Your second sentence shows that you misunderstood what the original poster was making as a point. EVERYONE can have a Chinese name just like everyone can have a Romanized name. The point he/she was making was that if you are going to have Lisa Ling who is American and not Chinese have her name written out in Chinese characters why do you not do so with others, which agrees with your statement regarding "ignorance of the Chinese language." To do so with her is an ethnocentric act which she may or may not even agree with. This is a difficult conversation for most Chinese that I have encountered as most are at the same level of pre-1950's white people in their understanding of race. Most Han Chinese that I come across are inherently racist which makes sense as they are a very ethnocentric people. This is how people like that think. Capitalism will help them with that, but Lisa Ling is a well off American who most definitely doesn't think like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.145.35 (talk) 05:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Lisa Ling did a North Korea documentary?
I have removed the following sentence and source from the article about Lisa Ling:
- She also did an undercover documentary on the situation in North Korea.
- <ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/us/10hostages.html</ref>
The source doesn't appear to support that assertion. Xenophrenic (talk) 18:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Well here's a source that does... Lisa Ling did a national Geographic Documentary, which is well done and worth watching.
http://www.ovguide.com/movies_tv/national_geographic_inside_north_korea.htm
It needs to be added back into the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.244.183.6 (talk) 15:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
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When Women Kill
Dear Lisa, I would hope to meet you one day. I just finished watching your piece on “When Women Kill” and it reminded me of the movie Farrah Fawcett did back in the day called “The Burning Bed.” I wrote a paper on the movie while completing my masters in social work. I wanted to become a licensed therapist. I have had a ministry called “Marriage and Family Mediation” for 25 years now. I started it to help couples who find themselves in domestic violence situations. I was an advocate at the “Shelter for Victims of Domestic Violence” after I retired from the Air Force in 1997. I would really like to share my story with you after 25 years of helping people like the women you focused on in your piece. My number is (575) 749-1520 and my email address is donald@marriageandfamilymediation.com. I hope we can talk one day. 199.229.238.118 (talk) 13:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Sister
I challenge the significance of her sister's N. Korean detention here. The entire paragraph could be, and should be, shortened to something like "Lisa and her sister co-authored a memoir detailing Laura's path through the North Korean criminal justice system and Lisa's successful efforts to get her released." The details are irrelevant here (this article isn't about Laura).98.21.219.152 (talk) 16:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)