Talk:Libertarian Party (Argentina)

Ideological Description Should Reflect Party's Actual Positions

The page currently states that, "The party's ideology, according to its own platform, centers on libertarianism, advocating for free markets and a minimal and secular state, among other ideas.[6] However, among its followers, there are positions ranging from libertarianism and classical liberalism, to ultraconservatism, anarcho-capitalism and cross-sectional approaches."[11][12]

Anyone can follow a party; lots of other political parties have supporters from a wide range of viewpoints, but the party's actual positions are what matters here.

The description of the party's ideology (libertarian) on this page should reflect it. Not try to brand it with unsupported insinuations of being right-wing, which come from the often politically-motivated comments of others, not from the party's own platform and positions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StarchildSF (talk • contribs) 02:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Far Right?

The Libertarian Party is tagged as having a "political position" on the "far right" in the side box. This links to the Wikipedia page on the Far Right, the introduction of which says:

Far-right politics, or right-wing extremism, refers to a spectrum of political thought that tends to be radically conservative, ultra-nationalist, and authoritarian, often also including nativist tendencies.[1] The name derives from the left–right political spectrum, with the "far right" considered further from center than the standard political right.

Historically, "far-right politics" has been used to describe the experiences of fascism, Nazism, and Falangism. Contemporary definitions now include neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, the Third Position, the alt-right, racial supremacism and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of authoritarian, ultra-nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, or reactionary views.[2]

Far-right politics have led to oppression, political violence, forced assimilation, ethnic cleansing, and genocide against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority or their perceived threat to the native ethnic group, nation, state, national religion, dominant culture, or conservative social institutions.

Do any of these things apply to the Libertarian Party? If not, tagging it as "Far Right" is misleading. If it espouses a form of Libertarianism as its name suggests ( and even if it espouses an extreme one such as anarcho-capitalism), then it is directly opposed to the positions described under Far-Right, and so should be tagged as Right not Far-Right.

Editors should beware of adopting an inaccurate description bestowed by the Party's critics simply to defame it, this would be a breach of Wikipedia:NPOV and other applicable policies (e.g. WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV )

193.86.240.59 (talk) 15:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Strongly agree with this comment. I've noticed a pattern of people attempting to inaccurately label both Javier Milei and the Libertarian Party of Argentina to which he belongs as right-wing or even "far-right", "ultraconservative", etc. Starchild (talk) 02:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

@StarchildSF @193.86.240.59 "Libertarianism" is not a position in the conventional one-axis (left-right) political spectrum. It is not the practice to use the Nolan Chart for a party position in Wikipedia articles.

One can also turn a blind eye, i.e. ignore the sources that uses "far-right", but wanting to remove "right-wing" is not acceptable and neutral, since the label fits. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia should not be adhering to an outdated left-right political spectrum that refuses to recognize libertarianism. Using this as a justification for refusing to correctly label a libertarian party as libertarian is perverse. Starchild (talk) 12:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Don't start an edit war please. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 12:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Ditto! Please allow the Partido Libertario to be identified on Wikipedia as libertarian, which it is. Starchild (talk) 20:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

The Libertarian Party of Argentina is described as a right-wing libertarian party. Sources, those who do not use "far right," use "right-wing". "Libertarian" is not a collocation in the left-right political spectrum. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

"right-wing" and "far right" are two different things. 107.10.129.126 (talk) 15:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

“Alt right” is not the ideology and is an ideology usually only found in the United States

The parties political position is right wing but not alt right 98.5.179.8 (talk) 23:47, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

It’s not only found in the United States only Europeans say that to avoid responsibility for their own far right issues right now BUT you are correct Mileis party is if anything a bit more left wing on some social issues if it was far right they wouldn’t support gay marriage among many many other things 2600:8801:1187:7F00:CD40:F177:BDEA:27FF (talk) 01:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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