Talk:Law & Order: Special Victims Unit season 12

I have to ask

I saw a comment in the pages view history about the bullets and their use. I have to ask that we use the bullets instead of the "br feature" or just straight entering, it's a bit redundant to me. Just use the bullets, it's neater for one and not so much a hastle on one's eyes.

Example: Fake episode table (featuring br system)

Ep #	No.	Title	Director	Writer(s)	Original Airdate	Prod. code	U.S. Viewers (millions)
1	249	"Fake Title"	Fake Director	Fake Writer	September 22, 2010 (2010-09-22)	Fake Prod. Code	Fake Rating.
Benson and Stabler solve a case where a child gets raped on a school bus. (fake summary) Henry Ian Cusick guest stars as John Q. Public (fake name) the rapist of a ring of child rapes on school buses that goes back as far as fifteen years. This case was ripped from the headlines of the Yada-Yada-Yada rapist. (fake rapist, I hope) This episode Chris Meloni leaves the cast as Detective Elliot Stabler (God forbid). It was the lowest episode in the Nielsen ratings for SVU by far.

OR

Fake episode table (featuring entering)

Ep #	No.	Title	Director	Writer(s)	Original Airdate	Prod. code	U.S. Viewers (millions)
1	249	"Fake Title"	Fake Director	Fake Writer	September 22, 2010 (2010-09-22)	Fake Prod. Code	Fake Rating.
Benson and Stabler solve a case where a child gets raped on a school bus. (fake summary) Henry Ian Cusick guest stars as John Q. Public (fake name) the rapist of a ring of child rapes on school buses that goes back as far as fifteen years. This case was ripped from the headlines of the Yada-Yada-Yada rapist. (fake rapist, I hope) This episode Chris Meloni leaves the cast as Detective Elliot Stabler (God forbid). It was the lowest episode in the Nielsen ratings for SVU by far.

It could/should be:

Fake episode table (featuring bullets)

Ep #	No.	Title	Director	Writer(s)	Original Airdate	Prod. code	U.S. Viewers (millions)
1	249	"Fake Title"	Fake Director	Fake Writer	September 22, 2010 (2010-09-22)	Fake Prod. Code	Fake Rating.
Benson and Stabler solve a case where a child gets raped on a school bus. (fake summary) Henry Ian Cusick guest stars as John Q. Public (fake name) the rapist of a ring of child rapes on school buses that goes back as far as fifteen years. This case was ripped from the headlines of the Yada-Yada-Yada rapist. (fake rapist, I hope) This episode Chris Meloni leaves the cast as Detective Elliot Stabler (God forbid). It was the lowest episode in the Nielsen ratings for SVU by far.

I noticed that the original Law & Order's twentieth season episode list did the bullets. Which bullets really do come in handy for the SVU summaries because they can be lengthy and it all will be jumbles to some. And it just helps to differentiate too.

I think bullets or no bullets is trivial. What should be discussed is how people want to use Facebook/Twitter (and other unreliable) sources for episodes or either putting in episodes prematurely (I could see if they were added a week or so before they air but they are putting them in in July/August)!

DO NOT DO IT, WAIT FOR NBC/FUTON OR MSN!--SVU4671 (talk) 04:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I made the comment. That space is supposed to be for a summary, not a bullet point presentation. Mike Allen 05:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Indeed yet, special guest stars and necessary episode information (if the episode was ripped form headlines or etc.) SVU and L&O are not like CI and LA (soon to be) where you can just jump off a separate page to keep from cluttering the summary. Example being the last episode of the eighth season of CI, "Revolution, notice in the eighth season page that the only info in the summaries is when the Executive producers were changed, the rest of the info about Badder-Minehoff (mispelled), the opening sequence for that episode, and the ratings are in the acutal episode article on "Revolution"... we should (but can't) do that for SVU... too many people think that it's a waste to do SVU episodes in their own (I don't see why) article. Like I know 'special' episodes like this 2-part premiere and the LA/SVU crossover coming up should have an article(s).

But back to the point, I agree with you on the fact that indeed the summaries should be overloaded with misc. info but I do think info like Ripped from headlines and special guest star(s) should be there.--SVU4671 (talk) 05:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

See Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (season 11) on how I included the guest stars in the summary. Some of the "ripped from headlines" are in bullet format and are sourced. I must be the only one on Wikipedia that is against creating an article for each episode of a TV show. They usually are all plot and no 'real word' detail, like production, promotion, etc. It just doesn't work for SVU since not much is known for each episode's production. I don't really know how other L&O pages do things since I don't watch (per Wikipedia and on TV) them. Mike Allen 06:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok I don't get why we need to list the guest stars in the episode table. That's why we have the Guest stars section in the article. This makes no sense at all. Mike Allen 06:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Episodes

How many episodes is the 12th Season have? -- 91.64.28.14 (talk) 21:33, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I think 24. —Mike Allen 00:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Episodes without a title/date.

I've been watching this page (and some of the other SVU pages) and making sure ref'ed material or ref'ed material w/ little credibility does not enter the page.

Usually the episode/guests lists are the ones with said 'false' material. Now I see and understand that User:MikeAllen had the episodes where we can see when the rest air (source: Futon Critic) but they did not have an episode title, causing the "TBA" markers to be in place of a title. All that is fine and dandy, but then vandals and others (mostly following Neal Baer on Twitter) begin to add "false" episodes or episodes Baer has mentioned/episodes that are TBA later by NBC.

It causes a hassle to always need to revert/edit out said episodes. Usually it's IP addresses or wild and ready SVU fans. It's happened before MikeAllen's edits and it's still happening but the reason I removed them is not just because of the "false" eps. but because the episodes [according to Futon] are almost two months away (and I see TV Guide says that an episode titled "Totem" will air March 30, whereas Futon does not say that) which also causes conflict.

I'm suggesting that we add episodes to be "TBA" but ONLY if they are set to air in a "two week" radius. It keeps down confusion and vandalism from IPs/anxious SVU fans. While keeping up 5-7 episodes with "TBA" as the title; warning IPs/users only tempts others to do it, i'm just trying to keep from coming to this page and finding false episodes, it kinda leans into WP:CRYSTAL. Which is why I suggest waiting closer to a confirmed episode date to add an episode w/o or even with a title.

A good example is when NBC deciced to swap out "SVU: Dirty" for "SVU: Possessed" last year/month; it wasn't truly confirmed to be "Possessed" until about a week or so before the episode aired (January 5, 2011; 10/9c). Which goes back to credible sources (Neal Baer on Twitter is surely not one, one time he even told fans an episode of SVU was going to air one Tuesday night and it didn't).

I do however have the remaining episodes hidden (which they should stay, i.e. being revealed within a two week period) That is simply my suggestion, anyone else got any better ideas?--SVU4671 (talk) 23:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Gillian Hardwicke

Melissa Sagemiller plays the show's new Assistant District Attorney.

^ I have removed this sentence from the Intro-paragraph, for a couple of reasons:

• Gillian Hardwicke is a recurring character, not a regular character like Alexandra Cabot; Casey Novak or Kim Greylek.
• ADA Sherri West; ADA Casey Novak; EADA Sonya Paxton; ADA Mikka Von, have all appeared in this season.
• There are other recurring characters that have appeared on the show, including this season that have been featured in many episodes...You can't just have one recurring character mentioned, without the rest.

I'm happy for discussion on this removal, and reasons to why it was added in the first place. Thank You, -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 10:08, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (season 12)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Grondemar (talk · contribs) 07:09, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

This is an article with great potential; however unfortunately I don't believe it can qualify as a Good Article. Numerous other television season articles have been nominated and passed as featured lists; since this article is highly similar in format and content, I will fail this review and direct you to WP:FLC, where you can nominate this for featured list status. I found a few concerns in my review that I'd recommend addressing before making the nomination:

• In the lead, you mean that it did not air alongside the original Law & Order, not that it did, right?
  • Y Fixed. --Davejohnsan (talk) 17:34, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
• Also in the lead: "series finale": you mean "season finale", correct?
  • Y Fixed. --Davejohnsan (talk) 17:34, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
• "Hargitay expressed interest in Benson having a baby this season, saying, "A boyfriend! A baby! I don’t even have to get married. I just want a baby! Give me a baby!"." Might want to aid "her character" in there to clarify.
  • Y Fixed. --Davejohnsan (talk) 19:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
• "Her character was later killed in the seventeenth episode."
  •  Question: Her death was shown in the episode itself; does this not count as a reference? Also, a quick Google search yielded no reliable sources for this, either, though I can do a more thorough search if need be. --Davejohnsan (talk) 17:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
• Some of the sources used are of questionable reliability, such as the YouTube ones.
  •  Question: Could you please specify a couple examples? --Davejohnsan (talk) 19:19, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. –Grondemar 07:09, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

As being one of the top contributors of this article and without me stepping in to work on the eleventh season so it wouldn't end up looking like the previous articles (which has now been used as a guide for the newer season articles)... don't you think you should have let me know you had nominated the article for GA? :P I had planned to take it (and season 11) to FL, since it's a list article. —Mike Allen 05:29, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Will reply on your talk page. --Davejohnsan (talk) 19:21, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I was under the impression this qualifies as a "list", even if there is more prose than lists included? If so we should head over to WP:FL. —Mike Allen 23:53, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Like I said on your talk page, I'm still a little new to the whole good article / featured article process, so it was pure ignorance on my part to nominate this as a good article. (This article may have had a little influence on my decision as well.) Anyway, I've been a bit reluctant to start the FL nomination of this article because 1) it's missing a section on reception, and 2) the section on guest star could use a little revision for better integration; keep in mind I don't know whether those are issues to address beforehand, anyway. However, if you feel it's ready in its present state to be nominated, then I will back you up and will be more than happy to help you address whatever concerns are brought up during the review. You're more than welcome to take the driver's seat from here. --Davejohnsan (talk) 00:35, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm really not sure if this qualifies as GA or FL. Maybe User:Grondemar knows? I agree with reception. But there usually aren't really "reviews" for L&O episodes, mostly just ratings. It would be great if actual reviews could be found. —Mike Allen 01:36, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

A peer review of the article may not be a bad idea. --Davejohnsan (talk) 02:29, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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