Talk:Las Vegas/Archive 3

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Flag

I tried to add The flag because I found it unfair the other cities in the United States had them bad Las Vegas didn’t on Wikipedia. DrkWebber (talk) 23:23, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Flag use in infoboxes is discouraged per WP:INFOBOXFLAG. They provide no information, are too small to be useful and are just visual noise clutter. Canterbury Tail talk 14:25, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Question, if the New York City and Los Angeles articles have flags next to the United States part, then why can’t it be on Las Vegas too? I even tried adding more of them to San Francisco and Chicago but other people took them down. I find it very very very unfair and confusing. DrkWebber (talk) 19:21, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

There's clearly been decisions on those articles to include them then. Note Wp:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an editing rationale. Canterbury Tail talk 19:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Seems like someone, maybe me, should negotiate with those people and including them. DrkWebber (talk) 20:12, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

So here's a question. What encyclopaedic problem are you trying to solve that adding a small not accurate (due to resolution ) and non-detailed flag in the infobox will solve? What value does it bring? Ignore that some articles have it and some don't. What does it achieve and bring to the article that improves readers understanding of Las Vegas? What value does it provide that it being missing is causing a lack of understanding? Canterbury Tail talk 20:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

It allows people to further know that it’s in the United States like New York City or Los Angeles‘s article. DrkWebber (talk) 22:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Both the text of the article and the text in the infobox stating United States show that more than a distorted tiny icon flag that could easily be seen as US, Malaysia or Liberia. Anyway as per WP:INFOBOXFLAG and MOS:FLAG, flags should only be used when they actually convey additional information, which a tiny icon in an infobox doesn’t. Canterbury Tail talk 01:29, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Alright, well then should I go into the New York City and Los Angeles pages and get rid of them then if they’re SO unimportant? DrkWebber (talk) 02:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

That's a discussion for that page. Canterbury Tail talk 12:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Too late, I’m sorry, I already got rid of the flags on the New York City and Los Angeles pages. DrkWebber (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

So what, should we just get ride of the Arabian flag for Dubai? DrkWebber (talk) 22:52, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

This isn't the Dubai article. Canterbury Tail talk 02:18, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Mhm, I know, that. I’m comparing the two to convince that it’s okay for me to put flags on the city articles. DrkWebber (talk) 03:33, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I see the info box Manual, but how can Dubai get to keep it’s flag!? DrkWebber (talk) 03:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

So as you've read previously at MOS:INFOBOXFLAG the use of flags is technically allowed in human settlement articles, but is strongly discouraged as it's just visual clutter that doesn't convey any useful information. It's not prohibited, but it's discouraged as it doesn't add anything helpful. Canterbury Tail talk 14:40, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit Request on 25 December 2022 New city council

government_type = Council–Manager

leader_title                    = Mayor
leader_name                     = Carolyn Goodman (I)
leader_title1                   = Mayor Pro Tem
leader_name1                    = Brian Knudsen (D)
leader_title2                   = City Council

leader_name2 =

Members

• Brian Knudsen (D)
• Victoria Seaman (R)
• Olivia Diaz (D)
• Francis Allen-Palenske (R)
• Cedric Crear (D)
• Nancy E. Brune (D)

leader_title3                   = City Manager
leader_name3                    = Jorge Cervantes 

City council

Name	Position	Party	References	Notes
Carolyn Goodman	Mayor	Independent		Replaced her husband, Oscar Goodman, who was term-limited
Brian Knudsen	1st Ward Council member	Democratic		Mayor Pro Tem
Victoria Seaman	2nd Ward Council member	Republican
Olivia Diaz	3rd Ward Council member	Democratic
Francis Allen-Palenske	4th Ward Council member	Republican
Cedric Crear	5th Ward Council member	Democratic
Nancy E. Brune	6th Ward Council member	Democratic

2603:8001:2902:64F4:D557:3560:AAB6:303F (talk) 10:03, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2023

it says "There is a Ethiopian community in Las Vegas." but it should be "AN ethiopian" Coe Moe (talk) 14:19, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:30, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Problems in Climate section

There are two problems with the following sentence in the Climate section: "While less extreme than other parts of the state, nighttime lows in Las Vegas are often 30 °F (16.7 °C) or more lower than daytime highs."

1) 30°F is not 16.7°C, but rather -1.111°C. I haven't checked the provided source, so I don't know which one is accurate. 2) "more lower" is not grammatically correct. It should be "more low". MissingNo29 (talk) 01:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

For point 2, I meant to say that it should be "more low" or "lower" (the latter sounds better, in my opinion). MissingNo29 (talk) 01:27, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

It's very clunky, but I get what the editor was trying to say. Nighttime lows are lower than the daytime high by at least 30 Fahrenheit degrees, or 16.7 Celsius degrees. So if the daytime high were 100 (Fahrenheit; 37 Celsius), the low would be below 70 (or 20 Celsius). At least that's what I think was being said... not going to attempt an edit because I'm not sure enough of the source or the claim being made. -- JeffBillman (talk) 01:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

• Also in the Climate section, it is not clear what the difference is supposed to be between per-month "Mean maximum" and "Average high", and similarly between per-month "Mean minimum" and "Average low". Having encountered this kind of confusion before, my guess is that one figure is monthly and the other daily, but, as I say, this is entirely unclear to ordinary readers. If my guess is correct, just the insertion of the words "monthly" and "daily" would go some way towards fixing the problem. A similar problem afflicts numerous climate tables within Wikipedia, and I would strongly encourage anyone with an interest in or knowledge of these climate data tables to look at addressing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:7B09:FA01:309B:3BB4:51AF:573D (talk) 22:19, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Picture captions incorrect/outdated

Two picture captions at the top of this article are incorrect/outdated. The top picture is not "Downtown Las Vegas". It shows the hotels on the south end of the Strip along with surrounding areas. The caption "Stratosphere Tower Las Vegas" is outdated. This hotel is now called "The Strat", as the Wikipedia article indicates. I don't know how to fix this. Bunkyray5 (talk) 15:24, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Often known simply as...

Hi Cerebral726, please elaborate. How is that "valuable information"? Also note that the lead is the summation of the article. It shouldn't have information that isn't in the article body. Las Vegas#Toponomy doesn't mention it and it's unsourced. WP:BURDEN is on you to show it is actually "often known simply as" but also why it should be mentioned at all. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 19:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Cerebral726, WP:STATUSQUO does not somehow trump WP:BURDEN and WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY. The burden is on you to prove it is needed and it is not mentioned in the article body. Any unsourced or challenged material is not to be restored. WP:ITSVALUABLE is not a reason to keep anything. I shouldn't have to tell you this. Please undo your revert. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeesh. A discussion taking place before reverting back and forth is perfectly reasonable. This situation is exactly what status quo covers, as it is not concerning a Living person, External link, Copyright violation, or libel. I shouldn't have to tell you this. I have added in a sentence mentioning "Vegas" as a common nickname, with 3 sources, as I agree it should be mentioned in the body of the text. I think that is sufficient to continue to include it in the lead as has been the case for many years. Cerebral726 (talk) 12:58, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2023 (3)

Filipinos are the largest Asian group in Las Vegas. The Las Vegas Asian Chamber of Commerce said more than 200,000 Filipinos make up the AAPI community.

Sonny Vinuya, President and CEO of the Las Vegas Asian Chamber of Commerce, said Filipinos began to migrate to Las Vegas in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

Add this information to the demographics section.

Source: https://www.ktnv.com/news/bridging-the-divide/filipinos-are-largest-aapi-group-in-las-vegas#:~:text=The%20Filipino%20community%20is%20the,make%20up%20the%20AAPI%20community. 89.26.247.77 (talk) 05:29, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done; while I did not add when they started to migrate (I would prefer a better source for this claim), the demographic stat has been added with an attribution to the Asian Chamber of Commerce. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 04:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2023 (2)

Britannica states Mormons first settled in the city in the mid-19th century and has been populated predominantly by people of European (white) ancestry. Britannica states there is a sizable Jewish minority in Las Vegas. Britannica also states that several hundred Chinese immigrants were drawn to the Las Vegas region in the mid-19th century. Britannica also states Basque sheepherders came to the area. Add this information to the demographics section.

Source: https://www.britannica.com/place/Las-Vegas-Nevada/Climate#ref258369 103.164.138.55 (talk) 00:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done; please provide a second reliable source for cross-referencing. Britannica requires some additional considerations per WP:RSP. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 04:16, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Lead image

I still strongly feel that the lead image of an article titled 'Las Vegas' just doesn't make sense not featuring the strip. Furthermore, the character of the city is such that it's highly associated with night-life. Thus the lead image being a night-time picture makes complete sense. There has been considerable controversy about this in the edit history so I started this discussion.

Please go ahead and discuss. Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 17:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I disagree with your change. Las Vegas is more than the strip, which is technically adjacent to the city proper. It would be silly not to have the strip in the infobox, so I have no problem with the photo being one of the others, but I (again) think having an overview of the city is superior. The current image also has the added advantage of highlighting it's geographical location near desert and mountains. Cerebral726 (talk) 17:11, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

My apologies for the revert, as I thought you hadn't started a discussion (didn't get a notification)

Here's the issues with the current lead image:

1. Downtown Las Vegas is a very unremarkable section of the city. Las Vegas' fame is entirely through it's reputation as Sin City which arises from its many casinos etc located primarily in the strip

2. The picture in the lead is very, very low quality. Check out the aspect ratio. It's a poor image which doesn't deserve lead image status in an article as important as Las Vegas.

3. A caption which mentions the surrounding areas entirely omits any advantages the previous image had over it.

4. Las Vegas and not having a night life photo as lead image would be like Major League Baseball on a planet where america doesn't exist. The whole point of Sin City is the night life and vice that takes place. So featuring a random low quality afternoon pic is almost a bit of an insult, no? Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 17:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

While it would be nice if the image was higher quality, I can't support having the lead image of a city be not technically of the city. The aspects you are talking about are represented in the infobox, and I think that is adequate. AS an aside, even if I had not yet started discussing with you (in the rapid time frame you reverted), you would have not been in the right to re-revert, as has been explained to you. Cerebral726 (talk) 17:24, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Here's the thing tho. Las Vegas is literally an aberration. It's the only city which is most well known for a part of the city that's outside the city limits. Hence, this is very obviously a massive exception which you need to consider whilst talking about what you can support. Even the Hollywood sign is inside Los Angeles city limits, showing just how much of an exception Las Vegas is as a place. Therefore, it makes sense for the lead image to be a good skyline picture at night time of Las Vegas featuring the strip.

If you still cannot bring yourself to agree, how about we solicit someone else's opinion so as to further workshop this? Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 17:33, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

any replies? Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 06:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Just remember the strip isn't in Las Vegas, it's not part of it despite common presumption. It's in Paradise and Winchester in Clark County, not in the city of Las Vegas. And there's a reason it's specifically not in Las Vegas. Canterbury Tail talk 17:33, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, true, but the whole point of Las Vegas' Strip being in the lead image would be that it's by far the most recognizable and remarkable aspect of the city, whilst not being inside the city limits.

I know it feels a little problematic as we're stuck between a rock and a hard place : either to feature the rather unremarkable 'downtown' Las Vegas or show the entire las vegas area whilst also prominent featuring the Strip. That's why I chose that one picture because it's from such a POV that it also features the surrounding areas of Las Vegas proper as well as the Strip Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 17:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

The lead image should be of the city itself. While the strip is a large part in the reputation of the city, (which is why it's even in the infobox in the first place) it's location outside of the city limits doesn't make it very relevant to Las Vegas itself. The current image is perfectly fine as the infobox lead and shouldn't be changed. —JJB^ers 16:44, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Las Vegas is indeed more than the strip; it's the city I have done the most research on but never been to. However, I do think that the strip is a HUGE part of Vegas. I would prefer that the image used at the top better capture both Downtown Vegas and the Strip, preferably at sunset so that the lights of the casinos can be paralleled with the downtown. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 04:18, 3 October 2023 (UTC)