Talk:Kashmiri Pandits/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2014

the Last statement regarding the "origin of the Persian Festival of Nowruz is completely false, I am an east Asian Professor at the University of Arizona.

Peacefrog1 (talk) 05:05, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 13:15, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

New section on Sub divisions

I have created a new section on sub divisions. Looking for more material & links that can help me expand it. Pls post them on my talk page. -Ambar (talk) 18:33, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hindus (more specifically Brahmins) of Kashmir are known as Pandits

Zulji was not a Mongol but resembled modern people of Turkmenistan that is Turkish-Mongol mixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.6.179 (talk) 16:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Kashmir technically is the least touched region of Central Asia, thus has retained much of her ancient Aryan ethnicity and culture. The Kashmiri Brahmins surely belong to the pure Aryan Race. In fact most Kashmiris today have the original Aryan roots no denying of this.Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.203 (talk) 20:43, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

TWO FACTS: Since ancient times Kashmirb has been referred to as the crown of Aryavarta. Zulji was surely not a Mongol. Read the Rajataringini written by two Brahmins Jonraja and Srivara. I am sorry for the political gains of foreigners this can not be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.176.3.186 (talk) 22:53, 25 November 2012 (UTC) These Brahmins of Kashmir are genuine Rigvedic Aryans and amongst the first worshipers of their beloved Agun (fire) and their language, looks, culture are pure Aryan. Their main festival is Navreh (New Year). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.176.3.186 (talk) 22:08, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

In support of the argument that Brahmins of Kashmir (which is the predominant population of Hindus in the Kashmir valley), kindly refer the following book and link here, which is one of many. Am referring to page 60 in the book "Greenwood encyclopedia ...". -Ambar (talk) 17:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Clearly some Semite is trying to invent a new history of Kashmiri Brahmins and Pandit. The term Pandit means a learned Brahmin originally. All Pandits in Kashmir have Brahmin roots. You can not create a confusion in the history of these first Aryans and known worshippers of Agni.+ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.146.246.15 (talk) 03:46, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Please post your comments at the end of the talk page. In case you have some books or documents that have written reference to the Kashmiri Pandits as fire worshippers (Agni worshippers), please provide the link or information to the book. -Ambar (talk) 07:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Please refer to the following links to books and articles Kashmir: Roots of conflict and another one by M.K. Kaw here (Page 183, others) that explains the background of Kashmiri Pandits and also this book that mentions the term Kashmiri Pandit & Kashmiri Hindus are interchangeable (refer page 119 - 123).

Further proof that the Hindus of Kashmir are known as Pandits. Chitralekha Zutshi, in her book Laungauges of Belonging Pg.11 explicitly states so. -Ambar (talk) 14:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The main picture under this topic.

If you search Kashmiri Pandits in google images, you will see fair skinned people as kashmiris are generally fair skinned. But the main image used shows a group of dark people. I get that it is certified and all but it just does not represent the larger present communtiy. Moreover it boils my blood as this wikipedia image is used all over the internet and it's just not us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AakashPandita97 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

AakashPandita97, you can click nice photos of pandits and can upload it to Wikimedia commons. I can guide you regarding upload. But photo should be of high quality and descent without any photoshop or special effect. Regarding current image, it is image around 150 years old, in those days only "black n white" camera was available. No HD color camera. So image may look dark to you. And its not God's rule that all Kashmiri pandits are white/fair, there are variations in it. --Human3015 Say Hey!! • 04:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2016

BONIPAN (talk) 08:59, 4 May 2016 (UTC) This makes reference to the part of the article with respect to the migration of Kashmiri Pandits in so far as the exclusive migration of males only. In this respect it is clarified that firstly the pandits were not forced to migrate and secondly it is not correct that the males exclusively were asked to migrate. The migration of the kashmiri pandits as it transpires from the letters written to the newspaper editors of the dailies published from the kashmir valley clearly shows that it was a strategic political move on part of the then Governor of the state to let loose the forces operating in the valley against the left out Muslim Population .

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2016

Migration in early 1900s

Many Kashmiri Hindus migrated from the valley when plague and cholera took many lives in early years of 1900s. Close to 250 people died from plague alone (source:- http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14768300), which is a big number considering the sparse population in the valley at that time. The families mostly migrated in Northern region of the country close to Delhi NCR, the climate of which was suitable for Kashmiris. Kashmiri Hindus known for their industriousness and intellectual caliber got absorbed in the local culture.

116.202.38.86 (talk) 14:09, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 14:47, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Total population

The infobox gives the population as 800,000. However the Dawn source used for it clearly says it is the number of Kashmiri Pandits who fled in 1990s, and naturally there population would have grown by now. Not to mention Kashmiri Pandits have fled long before the exodus as well. The information isn't what it is said in source, it should be removed and replaced with a source that actually gives a population figure and the population figure in it. Even if a source cannot be found, it should still be removed as it is not per the text in source anyway. 45.122.146.105 (talk) 10:10, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Total population of Kashmiri Pandits

Some users have added their population as 160,000-170,000 using Al-Jazeera article Kashmir: The Pandit question. The article doesn't mention the current total population of Pandits.

The figure of 160,000-170,000 is actually only of Kashmir Pandits living in Kashmir Valley before 1990, the source even states that clearly: "And yet there are no precise numbers regarding the migration/exodus of Pandits. Figures from within and figures from the outside are so different. Some say 700,000 left, others say 100,000 left. Why is there such ambiguity over the numbers?" This is the question cleay highlighted and is stating its about those who migrated after 1990s. The answer listed is: "One of the chief causes of the ambiguity is because the numbers of Pandits in the valley in 1989 can only be adduced from the census of 1941, the last time the Pandits were counted and listed as distinct from the category of Kashmiri Hindus and that census listed a little fewer than 79,000 Pandits in the valley. It's from this baseline that demographers have sought to work out the number of Kashmir Pandits in the valley in 1990. Using the rough measure of the average decennial growth rate in the state as a whole, available through the censuses up to 1941 and then the 2001 census, the number of Kashmiri Pandits living in the valley before 1990 that they arrive at is about 160,000 to 170,000."

It is clear that this is about those who migrated from Kashmir Valley after 1990s. However it is known that they have migrated before 1990s as well. This is from author Zutsi's "Language of belongings" regarding Pandit migration in late 40s and early 50s: "Since a majority of the landlords were Hindu, the (land) reforms (of 1950) led to a mass exodus of Hindus from the state. ... The unsettled nature of Kashmir's accession to India, coupled with the threat of economic and social decline in the face of the land reforms, led to increasing insecurity among the Hindus in Jammu, and among Kashmiri Pandits, 20 per cent of whom had emigrated from the Valley by 1950.""

Therefore considering merely the number of Kashmir Pandits migrating out of Kashmir in 1990 cannot give us the correct current population of the group. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 20:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Ok, the figure doesn't account for the Kashmiri Pandits that migrated out of the Valley before 1990. How does deleting the figure help solve that problem? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:28, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't solve, but isn't it better not to have information than keep incorrect information? Regardless, it has been corrected to say it was the estimated number of Kashmir Pandits in Kashmir valley before their exodus in Kashmir. So I am ok with it now. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 06:35, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2017

A young Jawaharlal Nehru with his mother Swarup Rani Nehru and father Motilal Nehru in the 1890s. The Nehrus were a westernized Pandit family whose ancestors had left Kashmir in the 18th century.

117.242.189.3 (talk) 00:07, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Please edit....Source Unknown or Void

Question: Do you want the {{Citation needed}} tag to be inserted at the end of the caption of this image? DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 01:28, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- Dane ^talk 20:35, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2018

 Done — IVORK _Discuss 00:53, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Early history

See also: History of Kashmir

Kashmiri Pandits have History of over 5000 years.

Before using any of these references, editors should ensure that they meed Wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources; a quick look suggests that some of them do not. --IamNotU (talk) 02:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I have now checked all edits by this user to this article, and have removed some more problems from edits Special:Diff/834566810/835255615, Special:Diff/714372825/715707446, Special:Diff/657258049/657694598, Special:Diff/529761785/530280718. They included these references, from which the text was copypasted or closely paraphrased:

<ref>{{cite web| url=https://www.livemint.com/Leisure/9heD82b6ebrnKq6KCtxZEL/Old-ties-new-chains.html |title=Old Ties, New Chains |first=ePaper |last=LiveMint |date=7 Apr 2018}}</ref>

<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/130416/kashmiri-pandits-pitch-for-reopening-of-seat-of-learning-in-pok-for-them.html |title=Kashmiri pandits pitch for reopening of 'seat of learning' in PoK for them |first=Yusuf Jameel |last=Deccan Chronicle |date=13 April 2016 |accessdate=17 April 2016}}</ref>

<ref>{{cite web |title=Patiala doctor pens book on Kashmiri Pandits |url=http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070703/punjab1.htm |publisher=Tribune India |first=Lalit |last=Mohan |date=2 July 2007 |accessdate=21 April 2015}}</ref>

<ref name="Barbara">{{cite book|author=Barbara Anne Brower, Barbara Rose Johnston |title=Disappearing Peoples? Indigenous groups and ethnic minorities in South & Central Asia |url=https://books.google.co.th/books?id=jcXYAAAAMAAJ&q=kaul+banamasi&dq=kaul+banamasi&hl=th&sa=X&ei=tcneUInhEIO3rAfBkYDIBw&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAg |accessdate=29 Dec 2012|year= |publisher=Left Coast Press, Indiana University |isbn=9781598741209 |page=138}}</ref>

Some other edits, going back to March 2012, were already reverted or deleted, but are still in the page history. I did not check them closely for copyright and plagiarism problems. --IamNotU (talk) 15:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2021

Many Kashmiri Pandits were killed by Islamic extremists. There were no muslim influence there was a attack by Islamic extremists. 2409:4041:2E01:63DB:4B32:7A3A:D981:7C5 (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2021

You have removed all instances of Kashmiri Pandit persecution. How could you sleep at night my dear friend. Fie for shame Fie!! 2405:201:F:9033:2C07:CEF1:884F:808E (talk) 17:23, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:30, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Nehru

Surprised not to see mention of the first prime minister of India Jawaharlal Nehru, who was enough of a Kashmiri Pandit to be nicknamed "Pandit Nehru" and therefore having a personal stake in what happened in Kashmir on partition, and no mention of the significant earlier Pandit communities outside Kashmir (illustrated by his parents and wife) 14:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:148A:9B01:12D:C831:9DD1:28A0 (talk)