Talk:Joe Wood

The musician

Someone uncommented the last three words of an entry, yielding

* Joe Wood (musician) (fl. c. 1980), former T.S.O.L. singer

presumably bcz they think that users who come looking for a WP article on that person will be pleased to be dumped at the top of that article. Let's consider the result:
By going to T.S.O.L., you get a 10 Kb article. It mentions him as follows

1. [Sometime around 1984], Jack Grisham and Todd Barnes left the band to be replaced by singer Joe Wood (who was Grisham's brother-in-law) and drummer Mitch Dean. This new line-up (with Joe Wood and Mitch Dean) released the album named Change Today? in 1984 on Enigma Records.
2. Meanwhile, the original members had started playing shows featuring the band's early material under the name T.S.O.L., often playing the same cities, the same nights as the other T.S.O.L. Since Joe Wood and Mitch Dean now owned the rights to the name T.S.O.L., they threatened to sue the original members...
3. In 1999, [the original members] fought with Wood for rights to the name and won...
4. [His roles were] vocals, guitar

So here's a stub:

Joe Wood (fl. c. 1980) was an American singer and guitarist.
His brother-in-law Jack Grisham was a founder of the band T.S.O.L., and when Grisham and Todd Barnes left the group, Wood and Mitch Dean replaced them, and played on the Change Today? album in 1984.
The incarnation of T.S.O.L. with him and Dean competed with the founders' band, with both for a time in using the name, even when playing on the same night in the same city. The founders abandoned their claim to the name for over a decade, under threat of legal action, but Wood finally lost the rights to it in 1999.

I expected to end up by saying that anyone who'd be satisfied with what is in the article is not looking for his bio, and would be better served by our implying we have no encyclopedic info on him -- the quicker they go Google searching for him, the better off they are. Grudgingly, i say instead that dumping them at the beginning of the article is cruel, and that

1. the info on him is so scattered that you have to at least target the first section that mentions him,
2. it would be better to change the boundary between T.S.O.L.#Evolved sound and the next section, so the reader doesn't have to wade thru 3⅔ of the 4 'graphs before hitting the first mention of him, and
3. it might be best to have a section along the lines of my stub above, even at the cost of some duplication (but a bio section can leave out some of the peripheral stuff that is covered elsewhere in the article); maybe such a section for each band member, since individual bio articles on them are unlikely to survive AfD.

But am redoing the lk.
--Jerzy•t 04:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)