Talk:Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt

Link to Psalm 100

Readers searching for "Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt" are not looking for the psalm on English Wikipedia. If they are, information about the German opening line needs to be added to Psalm 100. I don't believe there is guidance in the disambiguation guide to link to things in the lede that aren't what the reader is looking for. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:49, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

• This page used to be a redirect to the Psalm 100 page, so yeah, incoming links referring to the psalm (or readers looking for it under that name) may still be possible. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Then provide the reader seeking Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt something useful on that page. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:54, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
    • Not really a reply to the concern, is it? --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
    • And JHJ, I particularly oppose you giving bad advice to fellow editors, such as "provide the reader seeking Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt something useful on that page" (which there already was on that page, in the intro), which has been taken by Gerda as an advice to initiate an edit–war, over yet another infobox with more than a bit questionable content priorities. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The psalm is key, because being settings of Psalm 100 is what different title versions have in common. I added this title to the "names" in the infobox, but not to the lead, because Mendelssohn's composition is already mentioned there, which has exactly this title. There are also other settings which just don't have an article (yet), one by Johann Justus Kahle, on by Johann Justus Kahle, one by Karl Piutti, one by Sebastian Knüpfer, at least one by Heinrich Schütz, one by Samuel Capricornus, several by Johann Pachelbel, one by Johann Friedrich Fasch, one by Johann Jakob Froberger, one by Christoph Graupner, and those are only the ones mentioned on Wikipedia. There are more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Problems

The disambiguation page title shouldn't be italicized. Nor in the lede. The catalogue numbers are not needed in the descriptions here, which should be brief. Francis Schocken seems to be under the impression that boldly creating text doesn't fall under the WP:BRD, and instead feels WP:OWNership of the text, and does not agree that "your submission may be changed, modified, edited, moved, extended, deleted or combined by subsequent users of Wikipedia." -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:54, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Disagree with about everything in the above. For starters, DAB page rules are not what you pretend them to be. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Dab page rules are definitely not what you pretend they are. Comments included line by line. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:15, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Composers

For fairness, if Telemann and Bach don't need a given name, Mendelssohn also doesn't need one. Why was that reverted? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

imho "... (Mendelssohn) ... by Mendelssohn ..." is just plain silliness: if the only explanation is a repeat of the parenthetical disambiguator that doesn't seem very helpful. And there are other Mendelssohn composers. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:44, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

... as you like it. There were other composers named Bach, but one you'd think of first. Same for Mendelssohn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:15, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

As said, I opposed this, thus no consensus thus far. Pushing a preference is not a "fix" --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:33, 16 July 2020 (UTC)