Talk:Jane Birdwood, Baroness Birdwood
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Baroness? edit
not sure she was a Baroness, at least not a UK one. She was never awarded a peerage in her own right. RodCrosby (talk) 12:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
- Have you read the opening paragraph? She was married to the Baron Birdwood, hence she was Baroness Birdwood.--UpDown (talk) 10:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- It's my understanding of the British Peerage, than being married to a Baron does not make one a Baroness. A Baroness is a woman who has had a Barony conferred on her in her own right. RodCrosby (talk) 15:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- No, sorry, your wrong. The wife always takes the titles from the husband. A quick read on Baron#Style of address would tell you this. She would rarely, if ever, be known as "Baroness Birdwood" by "Lady Birdwood", but it is correct legally to call her Baroness Birdwood in lead. --UpDown (talk) 16:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- I think if you read that again, carefully, you will find that it supports my point. However, it appears that Baron Birdwood's first wife, Elizabeth Vere Drummond Ogilvie, did use the title Baroness Birdwood until her death in 1997. Curious. So it appears there were two "Baroness Birdwoods" between 1954-97. Still don't think either of them were entitled to use the title, although of course I concede they did in fact do so. RodCrosby (talk) 17:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- Well I shan't argue about it, but I am right, and I don't see how the article supports your point of view. In the UK, the wife of peer takes the female version of his title. In the case of a baron, she will always been known as "Lady X", but is legally "Baroness X". If you like I will provide reliable, 3rd party sources. Or you could ask someone on the Peerage wikiproject. --UpDown (talk) 17:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- I think if you read that again, carefully, you will find that it supports my point. However, it appears that Baron Birdwood's first wife, Elizabeth Vere Drummond Ogilvie, did use the title Baroness Birdwood until her death in 1997. Curious. So it appears there were two "Baroness Birdwoods" between 1954-97. Still don't think either of them were entitled to use the title, although of course I concede they did in fact do so. RodCrosby (talk) 17:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- No, sorry, your wrong. The wife always takes the titles from the husband. A quick read on Baron#Style of address would tell you this. She would rarely, if ever, be known as "Baroness Birdwood" by "Lady Birdwood", but it is correct legally to call her Baroness Birdwood in lead. --UpDown (talk) 16:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- It's my understanding of the British Peerage, than being married to a Baron does not make one a Baroness. A Baroness is a woman who has had a Barony conferred on her in her own right. RodCrosby (talk) 15:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
At the beginning of the 3rd paragraph of #2 Political activities "Besides for anti-immigration activism" needs changing. Would "Besides anti-immigration activism" or "Besides her anti-immigration activism" be better? Mcljlm (talk) 13:57, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Besides ... edit
At the beginning of the 3rd paragraph of #2 Political activities "Besides for anti-immigration activism" needs changing. Would "Besides anti-immigration activism" or "Besides her anti-immigration activism" be better? Mcljlm (talk) 13:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Reference change edit
User:HapHaxion I can't work out how to change references 9 and 10 so that "p." appears before 38 instead of ":". Mcljlm (talk) 14:24, 29 June 2022 (UTC)