Talk:Jamila bint Thabit

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Was her kunya really Umm Kulthum? Just asking... That name is not mentioned anywere in the narrations present. Hamid-Masri 13:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

I feel several different people have been confused here.

Umar had a wife named Umm Kulthum (or Mulayka) bint Jarwal from the Khuza'a tribe. He married her before he became a Muslim and divorced her in 628.
He had another wife named Umm Kulthum bint Ali. He married her in 638 and remained married to her until he died.
Then he had a wife named Asiya bint Thabit from the Aws tribe in Medina. He renamed her Jamila and divorced her after 628. She had a son named Asim ibn Umar (hence her kunya Umm Asim), but neither her father nor any other male-line ancestor bore this name. However, Asiya (Jamila) did have a brother named Asim ibn Thabit.Petra MacDonald 10:18, 6 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petra MacDonald (talk • contribs)

After searching the hadith and sirat literature, I cannot find any reference whatsoever that this woman was ever known as Umm Kulthum. She is universally known as Jamila bint Thabit (or Asiya before Muhammad renamed her). One group of traditions suggests that Asim was her father rather than her brother, but this is indirectly stated, and several traditions assert that Al-Shamus was the mother of both of them. Unless anyone has better information from high-quality sources, I urge that this article be renamed accordingly.Petra MacDonald (talk) 08:17, 16 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

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