Talk:Jahriyya

1781 Jahriyya revolt

Fighting between the Jahriyya and Khafiyya Sufi orders led to a revolt by the Jahriyya, which was heavily dominated by Salars.

http://books.google.com/books?id=ciShtCrJijIC&pg=PA20#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=ciShtCrJijIC&pg=PA21#v=onepage&q&f=false

Page 293, 298, 299

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http://www.jstor.org/stable/189017?seq=15

• Lipman, Jonathan N. (Jul., 1984). "Ethnicity and Politics in Republican China: The Ma Family Warlords of Gansu". Sage Publications, Inc. JSTOR 189017. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help)

Rajmaan (talk) 02:42, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

1781 Jahriyya Rebellion
Date 1781 Location {{{place}}} Result Qing victory
Belligerents
Qing Dynasty Khafiya Sufi order	Jahriyya Sufi order
Commanders and leaders
Qianlong Emperor Agui Heshen	Ma Mingxin † Su Sishisan (Su Fortythree)
Strength
Eight Banners Manchu, Mongols, Tibetans Han Chinese soldiers Loyalist Khafiya Sufi Chinese Muslims	Rebel Jahriyya Sufi Muslims, Rebel Han Chinese

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/eppp-archive/100/201/300/ejmas/kronos/2003/04-29/NewHist1700-1859.htm

Fighting between the Jahriyya and Khafiyya Sufi orders led to a revolt by the Jahriyya, which was heavily dominated by Salars.

http://books.google.com/books?id=ciShtCrJijIC&pg=PA20#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=ciShtCrJijIC&pg=PA21#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=BwuSpFiOFfYC&pg=PA122#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PA6#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PA96#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PA101#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PA102#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PA107#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PA108#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PA130#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PA178#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PA179#v=onepage&q&f=false

Page 293, 298, 299

http://www.jstor.org/stable/189017?seq=9

http://www.jstor.org/stable/189017?seq=14

http://www.jstor.org/stable/189017?seq=15

• Lipman, Jonathan N. (Jul., 1984). "Ethnicity and Politics in Republican China: The Ma Family Warlords of Gansu". Sage Publications, Inc. JSTOR 189017. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help)

Rajmaan (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

"The Saw" (منشار / 明沙了)

An editor added mention of a text called "The Saw" (translation source uncertain) ["منشار" / "明沙了"]. Does anyone know the author of this text, or even any mention of it in a published book or article? Connorboyle (talk) 13:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Connorboyle It's mentioned in the cited source. Western Sinologists were puzzled about it for a long time and thought the Chinese title was a literal translation so they wrongly translated it as "Shining Sand" because they didn't know about the Arabic source text. Later they realized it was a phonetic transcription of the Arabic title. Its not in print or circulation. You have to ask a cleric from the Jahriyya order in person about it.Rajmaan (talk) 01:41, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Rajmaan, okay. Just to be clear, the "sited source", is an Encyclopedia of Arabic Language and Linguistics, correct? Can you say which volume of that encyclopedia one can find the entry in?

141.140.159.202 (talk) 16:27, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, its Volume 1.Rajmaan (talk) 19:59, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

I just read in Lipman's Familiar Strangers (ISBN 0295976446) that minshār was brought back by Ma Laichi, the founder of the Khufiyya, indicating that it's a Khufiyya text. Rajmaan, what does it say about minshār in the encyclopedia? I think it's possible that the author of one of the two sources got confused because it's a Naqshabandi text and the Jahriyya and the Khufiyya are the two Naqshabandi orders in China. My inclination is to trust Lipman since his book is specifically about the Islam in Northwest China. Thoughts? Connorboyle (talk) 20:27, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I should specify that it's at page 67 of Lipman. Connorboyle (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)