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Lack of Information
This article seems like a bit of a stub. Though I may be mistaken. I'll look for more information on it in the next few days though. Amaraiel 13:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Irony654
Removing this section for being original research.Timber Rattlesnake 01:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's also a bit dumb [1]. I would suspect many of the cases don't have any one party who has commited a major travesty of justice rather lots of different things went wrong. The point on eyewitness is a succint one since the unreliablity of eye witnesses is well known, but they are often relied upon too much, yet when they do get it wrong most of the times it's not because they are lying Nil Einne (talk) 09:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Misleading Phrasing
In the popular culture section of this article, the phrasing of "The Innocent Man" bullet point indicates that Mr. Fritz is a fictional character. Perhaps it would be helpful to rephrase the sentence to read somewhat like "Mr. Fritz, one of the main people (or subjects) chronicled in the book, etc."
Wilbury311 (talk) 23:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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Need reference for "147 real perpetrators found" in the lead
The reference named "know" is used in the lead to say that the project has accomplished "the finding of 147 real perpetrators". This interested me, so I clicked the reference for more details, but unfortunately, the link was dead! Luckily, there was an access date listed (January 2016), so I went to archive.org, but unfortunately, their last archival of the link was from way back in 2013, and it did not include any information on finding real perpetrators. I included the archive link, as it does provide for other things the citation is used for, but could someone find a new citation for the 147 real perpetrators number? I can't seem to find it on the newly revamped Innocence Project website... I'm hoping some news article might have referenced it at some point. Fieari (talk) 04:15, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
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Other programs/projects with the same name exist, including one based at Santa Clara University, California. ~ Dpr 3 July 2005 07:28 (UTC)
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Potential threat to the Innocence Project?
Has anyone ever found direct undermining of the Innocence Project?
Somewhere some years ago, I ran across mention that a few prosecutors and detectives may have started tampering with or destroyed old DNA evidence long in storage that had the potential to exonerate people successfully convicted and sentenced. The stated reason was so that successful-looking careers based on a lot of questionable to downright illegal tactics (such as falsified evidence, coerced confessions, etc.) won't be questioned in the event that the Innocence Project catches up with them. Judges, prosecutors and law enforcement have been convicted of accepting bribes, but this puts a new twist on things!
With that in mind, just exactly WHO is the trusted official keeper, or keepers, of DNA evidence that is used?
In light of the Innocence Project, if I were ever falsely accused of a heinous crime, I would want my attorney to independently store any DNA and other evidence to circumvent tampering by zealous career-only-oriented law enforcement and prosecution-side legal system professionals! Look what happened to Tommy Chong not too long ago. His case was a little different, but it appears that a zealous L.E.O. went after him, the zealousness being dangerous is my point. Linstrum (talk) 02:02, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Midwest Innocence Project
Should this article say a few words about the Midwest Innocence Project? Or should the Midwest Innocence Project redirect be re-pointed to some other article that actually does mention the "Midwest Innocence Project", perhaps the Innocence Network article, at least until it gets an article of its own?
(I feel that one or the other or both is necessary to comply with the the WP:R#ASTONISH guideline, because many Wikipedia articles mention a "Midwest Innocence Project", and The "Midwest Innocence Project" is currently a redirect to this article, but currently this article never mentions "Midwest". )
(There was once a brief mention of a "Midwestern Innocence Project" in the external links of this article, but it was removed in this edit ). --DavidCary (talk) 00:00, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
1-10% innocent?
Just reading the lead and my head is ringing with the cognitive dissonance. While being presumedly factually correct, statistics that are an order of magnitude (10x) off doesn’t compute. People get wrongly convicted or feel forced to plea guilty frequently here in Texas so the higher number seems more correct. Can a source be found that reviews these studies and comes out with a percentage with a reasonable margin of error? Technophant (talk) 21:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Looking into it some. Seems like the 1% “conservative estimate” from the Mother Jones article links back to a dead link, but found archived on their own website
A: We will never know for sure, but the few studies that have been done estimate that between 2.3% and 5% of all prisoners in the U.S. are innocent (for context, if just 1% of all prisoners are innocent, that would mean that more than 20,000 innocent people are in prison).
So it looks from my preliminary view that 2.3% is the lowest estimate and 1% was an error in the reporter’s research or from outdated research. I’m going to be wp:bold and change the article estimate to 2.3-10% for now. Technophant (talk) 22:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
more numbers: The Project did a news update regarding the Mother Jones article the day after it was published in 2011-12-12 echoing the 1% conservative estimate. Later in 2014 a study came back with a conservative number of 4.1% of death row prisoners could eventually be exonerated (if they don’t die, get executed, or resentenced.) It also mentions that “in 2007, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in a concurring opinion in the Supreme Court that American criminal convictions have an “error rate of [0].027 percent—or, to put it another way, a success rate of 99.973 percent”” and discusses which false assumptions and limited datasets that led to this number.
A newer 2018 study has these results “We estimate that wrongful convictions occur in 6% of criminal convictions leading to imprisonment in an intake population of state prisoners (which state?). This estimate masks a considerable degree of conviction-specific variability ranging from a low of 2% in DUI convictions to a high of 40% in rape convictions. Implausible or false innocence claims are estimated to occur in 2% of cases.” I believe that 2% factor is already worked in, otherwise there would be 0% in DUI’s. This is a paywalled paper.
Reading about Texas deathrow false conviction rates in tends to show at least 8-9% as these are the most vigorously contested and studied. Again, it will vary by crime and by region with the real number difficult to estimate. Technophant (talk) 00:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
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Causes of wrongful conviction should go
The section regarding "causes of wrongful conviction" doesn't belong in this article. It's only tangentially related and is suited to an article specifically about wrongful convictions. More than that it's sourced to publications from this specific organization and includes plenty of language that's clearly advocating for the views of said organization, the sort of uncritical advocacy that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. I'm planning on deleting the entire section given it's completely outside the scope of this article but given it's a large chunk of the page I'd like to hear from other editors if there's any content they'd prefer moved to a new section. 108.174.175.69 (talk) 06:34, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Controversies Section
Why doesn't this article have a controversies section? How about David Protess sending an innocent man to prison? How about Robert Earl Hayes? This article reads like an advertisement for the Innocence Project? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.122.195.246 (talk) 08:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, Robert Hayes has become a bit of a conservative talking point because he was one of the Innocence Project's first to be exonerated, but later DNA testing proved he was the murderer. On the bright side, the attention brought by the IP resulted in a bit of closure for another family; he apparently had murdered someone else that the police had written off as a suicide. CorruptUser (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
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