Talk:Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the video game industry/Archive 1

Archive 1

Importance scale

According to :WikiProject Video games/AssessmentThis article can be only considered as a Mid importance article. The Importance scale clearly sets the borders for this importance group: "This article fills in general knowledge of specialized topics." The article does not have the "This article covers a general area of knowledge." and "long lasting impact" of the High importance group. This is in fact a video game history article like 2000s in video gaming. Of course there are more "overrated" pages on wikipedia. Don't forget: This does not lower the quality of the project. Even a low importance project can be of a higher quality. Don't take changes in importance and quality values as a personal assault! It is pretty nice, and well written article anyway. I hope you understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.1.198.116 (talk) 00:12, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't mean to seem offended; I'm merely disagreeing that it is low. I will concede to mid, as I feel that it has strong enough of an impact to warrant. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:14, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikinews

someone should try making a Wikinews article to complement this article. 184.144.162.147 (talk) 10:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Anime/Manga inclusion

Do you think it's worth expanding the article to include the impact the quake/tsunami has had on the anime and manga industry? Probably more so than the videogame industry, anime and manga has seen a hit, with the delay/cancellation of anime/manga broadcasts/releases and the cancellation of many events including the Tokyo International Fair. It's also worth noting bout the number of manga and anime industry members, including those from North America, showing support for the quake victims. I feel incorporating it into one big 'media' article rather than having two seperate articles would make more sense. Wonchop (talk) 15:33, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

We discussed this on the WP:VG talkpage, and I said it would probably end up being undue weight. If you want to gather the sources to prove me wrong, then that would be great. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 15:37, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion, I don't think that's what WP:UNDUE is referring to. For example, I also work on a lot of the Disney articles, and people started adding stuff on the quake's effects on Tokyo Disney Resort. While the information was cited and important, giving it its own section would be considered undue weight per WP:UNDUE because, unless something significant had occurred (i.e., the park's Cinderella Castle were to have collapsed due to the quake), ultimately this will be a minor blip in the park's overall history. To that end, I created an article that will include this incident, as well as the others that have occurred at the park (such as the 2003 derailing of Space Mountain). As such, revising the article to include all Japanese media may be more appropriate. --McDoobAU93 15:50, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

My opinion is I think we can reasonable expand this to include much of Japan's and other industries' related entertainment sectors (the impact on, and the assistance to improve). VGs are a big chunk because of them being one of the country's major exports and thus highly notable, but I agree that if there are influences from anime/manga, from live action programming, entertainment industries in other countries, etc. to help, this can be expanded. --MASEM (t) 00:25, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I actually agree with Masem. I think that moving it to Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the entertainment industry would be best. It would provide a reasonably strong article with a lot more range. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest either:

• Option 1: Rename the article to Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the entertainment industry and create separate sections on videogames and anime, or
• Option 2: Create a separate article on Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the anime industry and keep information there dedicated to anime only.

Anyone else with suggestions? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

• Option 3: rename the article to Economic impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami, and cover each industry sector in that article, such as the auto industry, electronics industry; and economies, like the Japanese economy, NZ economy, Australian economy. 184.144.162.147 (talk) 10:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Economic impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami should be created as a new page, and not a move from this article. I don't see how industrial output and videogames can be put together. See also my post in the section directly below. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 12:18, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Bad taste or just bad timing?

As several users noted the existence of this article caused some consternation. I feel that one cause was simply the unlucky placement of this article in the Template:2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami next to the Fukushima 50page. So I changed this. On the other hand it is still odd to start discussing economical impacts from this point of view first. As time passes, and this sad event becomes history, the bad taste will go away. But untill that time, discussing other aspects of economical impact as well in some articles would help pretty much to solve this problem. So I ask everybody to rather focus on creating these articles than fill this dicussion page. I count on you New Age Retro Hippie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.1.198.116 (talk) 21:00, March 16, 2011

Easier said than done. I've no idea what constitutes a reliable source for the automotive industry or the electronics industry. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:18, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to register my stern distaste for the fact that this article exists before articles for impacts on the industries of the other 224 companies that make up the Nikkei 225 have been created or considered. Have we gotten around to writing about the impact of the earthquake on battleships, hurricanes, or highways while we're proving the point about Wikipedia's systematic biases? All of that said, this is a well written article and should not be deleted or merged. Madcoverboy (talk) 03:00, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I must reiterate that it was written before those other potential topics because it was written before those other potential topics. I do not have an expertise in highways, hurricanes, or battleships, so I do not write about the impact on those. There is no bias here - merely unbalanced coverage that can be corrected by those more well-versed in those specific areas. This is a great opportunity for projects to work together on making detailed impact articles. Thank you for your compliments on the article, however. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:18, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I think you should ignore them and simply tell them about policy. If established editors decide that this has no place on Wikipedia, that is fine. But this is just random IPs and small editors who are just screaming WP:IDONTLIKEIT. While it is true that the subject could be expanded, we don't know where to find the sources for that. Currently, sources support this article. That is what counts with notability guidelines. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 02:46, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, this is obviously something that the IPs feel fairly strong about; as such, I think it would be disingenuous to not take their points to heart. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

"Bad taste" itself is an irrelevant argument. It makes sense to argue based on facts, and not human emotions, as emotions always will have biases depending on the person. Saying that an article is "bad taste" is fallacious, as such a statement is not only subject to opinion, but more or less an ad hominem against those who contributed towards the article. Might I add, would List of audiovisual entertainment affected by the September 11 attacks be considered "bad taste" against those who died in NYC and DC in 2001? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:59, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Dragonmaw (talk) 17:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

While I will not comment on the people who hold the opinion, the argument that the article is in bad taste is just plain stupid. In addition to the cogent arguments made above, I would like to add that no one here is trivializing the events. This is merely an article explaining a specific effect an event.LedRush (talk) 17:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Merger with Sendai Earthquake article

This article does not look like it should be a separate article, but rather merged into the economic effects section of the Sendai earthquake article. It's sort of bad taste to make a separate article for just videogame delays and cancellations because of the quake. This isn't a videogame enthusiast site; it's an encyclopedia. Dragonmaw (talk) 23:48, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

To suggest that the article exists as a video game enthusiast piece is to suggest that the number of reliable sources were writing video game enthusiast pieces. What, precisely, is bad taste about this? Would it be less bad taste if it was mentioned in a section, rather than an article? From what I see, the logic used to argue for the bad taste of the subject is that we should not be worried about the video game industry in such trying times, so the bad taste argument really doesn't work for a merge, only deletion entirely.

And the article is not about the economic impact of the disaster, but the general impact it has had on the industry. We have reliable sources that even suggest that the economic situation could get worse, suggesting to us that the article will only grow. It doesn't fit in just the economic section of the main article, and suggesting a merge only one day after creation when the situation is still ongoing seems a bit excessive.

And to the point that this is an encyclopedia - that's a pretty inappropriate tone to take. This online encyclopedia has historically set itself up as a web site that is not prejudiced against less scholarly subjects such as video games. I've clearly fulfilled WP:V, and I would be willing to bet that the article would get a lot less hate if it were about the film industry. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:10, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

The point is that this article reads more like a news article collating data on the information about the videogame delays and cancellations, not that it is about videogames. I've contributed to videogame portions of Wikipedia before (I helped to protect the Satoshi article during the death rumors, for example), so I know it's not a matter of being too obscure.

I suppose the reason I believe this is in bad taste is because it is a separate article when other extremely important parts of the Japanese economy (automotive and robotics, for example) do not have their own separate articles. It's an issue of WP:N, not WP:V. I don't feel this is notable enough to merit an entirely separate article, and by making it a separate article, it reflects poorly on both you and Wikipedia. Dragonmaw (talk) 00:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESN'TEXIST. The only poor reflection lies in the lessened initiative to improve other content. There are many articles on Wikipedia that are made in spite of the fact that equally important subjects don't have articles. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

It's not that they don't have articles, it's that they (and this article) SHOULD not have separate articles. It should simply be part of the main earthquake article. The reason why it reflects poorly on you and Wikipedia is because it makes it look like... well, that you are an obsessive nerd worried about his next fix of Japanese games. Not saying that you are, of course. Dragonmaw (talk) 00:46, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

My name DOES come from a name used in a Japanese video game. Regardless of perceptions, I would disagree with the notion that the other subjects have no place being separate. It will be even stronger when it's converted to cover general entertainment's impact from the tsunami. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:51, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Quote: "This isn't a videogame enthusiast site; it's an encyclopedia." - and Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:53, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Irrelevant to the topic at hand. The point is that videogame delays are something more apt for the individual game pages and WikiNews, not a separate article. WP:N is relevant here, as Wikipedia is not a collection of news reports and what others consider news should not simply be added to the wiki without considering notability. It's right there; I don't see how you could miss it. You have to consider the long-term notability of an article, and this is not one that fits the criteria. It's verifiable, sure, but is it really suited for Wikipedia and not Wikinews? I don't think so. Dragonmaw (talk) 17:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Per WP:N, "Notability is not temporary." As such, I think long-term notability is irrelevant to this discussion or any other discussion about a topic on Wikipedia.

While the article has a news feel to it, I question whether or not that can be attributed to the timing of the information. I say wait and see until the disaster is over and long term impact can be determined. If you and others still feel the same way in a few months, you're welcome to resume discussions or nominate for deletion. Until then, I say give the article a chance. While it is not perfect right now (it is in need of copy editing), I think it has promise. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 18:12, 17 March 2011 (UTC))

I guarantee I'll feel this way in future months. The whole point is that I don't feel this article will be especially relevant or necessary as a separate article rather than simply having information included on the appropriate pages. In a sense, I suppose I'm saying it is suffering from recentism. While the earthquake is certainly notable in the long-term, historical view and worthy of as wide a coverage as possible, a separate article just for collating various delays, cancellations, and charity efforts for videogames does not strike me as particularly encyclopedic. I'm not claiming that the information is not relevant or not worthy of inclusion, just that it isn't worthy of a separate article. It can easily be broken down into the many sub-articles listed, and "the impact of the Sendai earthquake on the video game industry" is an article that lacks (ironically) long-term impact.

I'm not going to nominate this for deletion, as I'm not a prominent editor and fame has a lot to do with getting shit done around here. I spend most of my time lurking, doing protection edits, and reading talk pages. Hell, I forget to log in (over) half the time. I just wanted to express my issues with this article's existence. Not its content. Dragonmaw (talk) 18:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, but I still maintain that waiting for while is the best treatment here, because we don't know what any long-term impact there will be if any. Really the only harm I see in this article's existence is hurt feelings: those that feel it is in bad taste and the perception that video game nerds are ignorant. And quite frankly, I don't believe that has any real bearing to the article's notability and should be excluded from the discussion. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 19:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC))

It might just be better to create a Economic impact from the 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami or similar, if you're going to merge this somewhere. Then we can cover the auto industry, electronics industry, that news reports are talking about; or Australian economy, which has large linkages to the Japanese economy. 184.144.162.147 (talk) 10:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

But then the content here on this page would be severely stubbified; I would imagine no one would want an economic page where 70% of the information is about videogames. A page on just "economic impact" would be too broad and vague, it would be impossible including everything without cutting down and making everything concise (lengthy page accessibility issues, etc). If there is to be a Economic impact from the 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami page, it should be a newly created page focusing directly on things such as industry, and not a move from this page, with a complete information overhaul. Perhaps I should make it clear that this article is more related to WP:WikiProject Video games than it is to the earthquake incident itself; it shouldn't be necessary to convert the article too much to a "current news and affairs" type page. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 12:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

But one of the main arguments for keeping this page was that video games are such a big part of Japan's economy?? 68.55.58.82 (talk) 13:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

There would still be WP:Undue weight if the majority of that article was about video games. It's a big part of Japan's economy, but not the only big part. Reach Out to the Truth 13:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Just a note: regardless of the merger, the article should be integrated in the main article in summary style. Currently, it's only linked to once in the "See also" section under a "Related to Tohoku eartquake" heading. It should be summarized in a subsection (perhaps in "Economic impact"), with or without a link to the spinout article depending on the merge. Now my opinion: without the laundry lists it could easily be summarized in a few sentences. Jonathan Hardin' (talk) 14:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I think that's right: regardless of the merger there should be a summary on the main article. However, I think this article has enough notability to stand on its own.LedRush (talk) 14:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

This article really feels like a collection of news reports and lacks a lot of notability. Most of the information here is better suited for the main earthquake page (the charity things) or the individual game pages (delay notifications). Anything left after can be easily summarized. Dragonmaw (talk) 17:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not so sure of that. The charity items here may be big/notable for the video game industry, but aren't really notable to the level that they would belong in the main article. This is a perfect example of why sub-articles exist.LedRush (talk) 17:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

They could fit better with a charity sub-article then. For example, the humanitarian response article would be the perfect place for videogame-related charity information. Dragonmaw (talk) 17:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Article notability

Err, why does this article exist? All it says it that there's been no special impact on the video games industry, but they've given money. I really don't see the significance. 86.27.246.58 (talk) 12:16, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Video games are one of Japan's most notable exports. Such a large number of releases being changed, as well as how so many of the companies have stepped up to assist, is pretty notable. Further, since a lot of this information is coming from third-party news articles, it would seem there is some interest in the subject outside of Wikipedia as well. --McDoobAU93 14:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you, this article reads like a bad troll. I see an Economic Impact section in the Quake article (not even a separate article), and they estimate hundreds of billions of damages to every aspect of the economy and you get a separate article for the all important videogames / manga ?

And the only thing the article mentions is delays to some titles (oh noes). Talk about extreme western (weeaboo) bias and having your priorities wrong.

This should be a footnote in an encomic impact article for the quake at most. Many more important areas of the economy have been harder hit.Helixdq (talk) 15:45, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

If we used your logic, only one thing would qualify as important. The fact that we at the Video games WikiProject took initiative to write this article where other interested projects did not is wholly and utterly irrelevant. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:27, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, be wary when you accuse the article's creation of being from trolling when in your same message you act like a troll. There are no wrong priorities. At what point are the priorities not wrong? I mean, why are you online when you could be out raising funds for the tsunami relief fund? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:05, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Keeping said logic going, looks like USA Today, The Telegraph, Wired, the San Francisco Business Times and other non-gaming-centric publications have messed-up priorities too, because they all wrote stories discussing this very topic. --McDoobAU93 20:34, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion this whole article is nothing else than self advertising of New Age Retro Hippie. No problem with writing an article about gaming. Just the timing is disgusting. When thousands died and currently people risk their life in a a devastated and radiating nuclear powerplant... This is like loudly discussing horse racing bets at a funeral. Even if you didn't meant to, you advertise this article with the horrible event itself, not with the importance of the actual article. This is the tool of tabloid journalism and not welcome in wikipedia! There are your wrong priorities! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.1.198.116 (talk) 23:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Write a letter to the many major publications that have covered this. At what point do priorities become right? By your logic, the only priorities to consider are those relating to loss of human life and the efforts to help save them. If ever there were an economic article, by your faulty logic, it would be inappropriate - unless the arbitrary line is drawn at that point. Do me a favour and tell me how much money you've donated for the relief effort. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Every paper will cover this whithin couple of days, because it is fresh bad news... of an even worse situation. It is rather a matter of importance of your news, and empathy in terms of the subject. As I feel you are among those who donated via some game comunity. Well done. Still money is not everithing. I'm going to have my share anyway. I have close relatives living there and I can tell you one thing: their bigest problem currently is not whether Microsoft delayed a tour to advertise its Kinect controller or not...

I actually contributed $100 directly to the American Red Cross, and got some co-workers to donate $50 combined. And just because this content is not the most important information for the Japanese community does not mean that it is not worth covering on Wikipedia. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:19, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey stop deleting comments because your having an account here, DOES NOT allow you to censor others opinions. I feel this article was done in frivilous mind, by some misguided Japanese game fan who overexaggerates the importance of a leisure activity. It doesn't matter if a SUPPOSED news network wasted time pulling a story off the wire, this again is just a waste of space for people with misguided sense of self-worth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.28.70 (talk) 23:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

We deleted your comments because you were vandalizing the talk page. If you wish to have a discussion, do so with a certain amount of tact; I will not consider a reasonable comment as a comment that refers to people as "faggots".

In response, there is no exaggeration to the importance of this leisure activity. Video games account for a considerable chunk of the Japanese economy. The fact of the matter is that delays of major video game software or hardware would not only harm the local Japanese economy more than it already has been, but lasting damage of the video game industry could harm the worldwide economy. And what you ignore is that the video games industry is considered one of the most influential industries for the world economy, and that Japan is a major component of said industry. We are willing to have a reasonable discussion on the notability, if you are able to discuss it without describing people as faggots and weeaboos in every comment.

And as an addition, I play games regardless of region, and regardless of the Japanese style. The reason that such an article was made is because it's the first disaster has caused such significant damage or effect on such a large component of the industry because of how small Japan is relative to how large the quake was. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh dear, what seems to be the problem? I don't see why people are going "people died, where are your priorities, this shouldn't be an article, etc". Priorities have nothing to do with how Wikipedia articles are created. This article is certainly related to the videogame industry, and I don't see a problem with this article at all. Those that are complaining due to "poor taste" or "priorities" perhaps should make themselves less sheltered; not everything in the world is revolving around hard news. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

hidden chunk of meta-talk unrelated to the article

Also,
>baww about the severity of the disaster in Japan
>Call others weeaboos
Does not compute. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

^^^^I don't care if I'm "insulting" this guy or if it will get taken down but this is some seriously offensive and demented 4chan internet tough guy nonsense that has absolutely no place on a community like this, just saying —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.99.32.190 (talk) 03:33, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

What, exactly, is the tough guy nonsense that you refer to? I would say that vandalizing an article and referring to people as "faggots" is pretty offensive. No one, save for those spreading insults, are attempting to produce an "Internet tough guy" image. If there were other economic impact articles on specific subjects, this would not be a big deal. However, because the video game project was more proactive in its creation than other projects, it gets negative impact. I do not think that anyone would disagree with an article detailing the impact on the automotive industry; however, like video games, the products of the industry can be enjoyed to a great extent, and for many, it is considered a leisure industry. Again, if you wish to discuss this article, please do so in a reasonable manner. It is not offensive to discuss economic impacts that have occurred as a result. As has been said, we do not do things based on emotion. We all feel terrible for what has happened and, hopefully, have done what we can to help. This does not mean that we should provide inadequate coverage of everything that has happened. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

@109.99.32.190: what? You do know that >this method of replying has been present in text-based BBSes since 1994, right? And you are aware that this is how quotes are done today on 2channel, right? And if you seriously think that real life is all ponies and unicorns, unlike the internet, well I sure have news for you. People die, that is a fact, but whether or not something is "bad taste" is purely based on your own opinion, and is nothing more than that. I don't know why you're getting so upset over being told that all this "priority" nonsense is rubbish, to the point where you have to go full-out ad hominem mode. Or maybe you're upset because I suggested that someone was pretty much pot calling the kettle black? I don't know about you, but I don't understand the logic behind insulting someone and then talking about morals. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 05:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not saying that Wikipedia shouldn't say anything about the earthquake's influence on video games but if you can't see anything offensive about your greentext 4chan /v/ nonsense about how the guy was "bawing" about the disaster and how he is wapanese (that's what 'weeaboo' means in 4chan slang if the clueless sane people reading have no idea) for feeling that way you are a complete sociopath

there is nothing 'weeaboo' or negative about feeling sorry for people after a horrible disaster —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.99.32.190 (talk) 06:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you're referring to. I can appreciate what you mean, too; I think we should all just take a little break, collect our thoughts, and discuss this in a more civil way. But please, both of you, don't respond so aggressively. IP, you could have simply made your point clear that it was offensive to you, but you WERE just making things worse by picking at him with ad hominen insults.

And as for "weeaboo", "weeaboo" only came up when an opposition to the article spoke up and called people weeaboos for writing this article. No one is accusing anyone of being weeaboo for feeling sorry for the many people affected by the disaster. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

"No one is accusing anyone of being weeaboo for feeling sorry for the many people affected by the disaster." he was clearly pointing out the "irony" in that guy calling other people 'weeaboos' when he himself is 'bawwing' over the severity of the damages

as if there is any connection —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.99.32.190 (talk) 06:29, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

On further reading, it does come off that he described the feeling as "weeaboo". However, I do not believe that he intended to mean that; Benlisquare, can you comment on this? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

even if you ignore the "weeaboo" part (which you honestly shouldn't), using 4chan greentext and terms like "baawwing" in such a context is very unfitting. --109.99.32.190 (talk) 06:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Maybe, but as I said, let's take time to collect our thoughts instead of trying to prove that another party did wrong.

Also, please sign your posts at the end with The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC) when you post it. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

So, everyone completely ignores what I've said... What on earth is "4chan greentext"? That's like saying Steve Jobs invented the personal computer, or that the United States invented orbiting satellites. Beginning a quote with ">" has been a motif since the early days of Usenet, IRC and text bulletin boards. Even some email clients still do that automatically when replying an email. Use of ">" to summarise other people's ideas in a tongue-in-cheek manner is a 2channel habit, and has been since 1999. 4chan on the other hand has only existed since 2003, and I don't give a damn about 4chan because it's utterly irrelevant to anything at all. As for "weeaboo", the definition varies. The original IP called other people weeaboos for reasons that I have no idea about (liking videogames makes you a weeaboo? what?), but they themselves go on about Japan this and Japan that, which would get you branded as a weeaboo in many different communities, which is why I referred to them being pot calling the kettle black. Also, there's a difference between having a discussion about something and making a big drama out of a tiny incident, and we've practically crossed that line already. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 07:10, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

This really isn't helping matters to have you respond in such a way. In the first place, your tone - using "bawww" to sum up their posts - is an easy thing to understand why someone may become offended. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:17, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not saying people shouldn't mourn the losses in Japan. I agree that what has happened in Japan was terrible. However, you shouldn't complain about the earthquake damages here, since this would be an irrelevant argument - people dying has nothing to do with whether something else is notable on Wikipedia or not. Timing of creating an article is also irrelevant. "baww" in this case refers to complaining, not mourning - I have family in Tokyo, don't picture me as being cold-hearted; rather I absolutely detest people who use non sequitur in their arguments, and use appeal to emotion to get their point across. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 07:33, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Notice: Since this is becoming meta-talk and is unrelated to the topic at hand (see WP:FORUM), I'm hiding the above discussion. Any further discussion belongs on a user talkpage, not here. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 07:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Alright, let's look at it this way.
>This is like loudly discussing horse racing bets at a funeral. (from this diff)
There's a difference between discussing horse bets at a funeral, and discussing horse bets at a different location, but coincidentally at the same time a funeral takes place. The analogy makes no sense, because Wikipedia is not a place of mourning.
>Just the timing is disgusting. (same diff)
Again, subject to opinion.
>This is the tool of tabloid journalism and not welcome in wikipedia! There are your wrong priorities!
You must be new to Wikipedia then. Wikipedia reports facts as they occur, as long as there are reliable sources, notability and verifiability is ensured, and there are no BLP issues. It doesn't matter if 10,000 people die in a chemical gas attack, or 2,000 are in a derailed train; if it can be proven and that it fits in with those policies, it can be included at the discretion of Wikipedia contributors. There is nothing about "being polite based on timing", or any other of that nonsense. And "priorities" is quite loaded in this sense - are you saying that if my University headmaster died, I'm not allowed to smile for three months to be respectful to him? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 07:27, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

So where is the article on the impact of the Sendai earthquake on the Japanese fishing industry? Why does an article exist for this particular industry and not others? 24.69.71.254 (talk) 19:39, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

As has been made clear above. The people who created this article know nothing about fishing, petrochemicals, rice paddy fields or beef farming. There is a single subject that they know well, and feel confident enough to make an article about. Feel free to create the fishing article. - X201 (talk) 19:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Like has been said many times, the sources were easy to find for this, and editors took the initiative to create the article. If you want to find sources to create articles about other areas hurt in the event, then that is welcome. But saying that this shouldn't exist because other articles don't exist makes no sense. This article exists because the sources exist for it. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 20:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

What you're saying is the article exists because someone wanted to make it and because information on the subject has been reported in media. However Wikipedia is not news WP:NOTNEWS. Could I ask what it is about the fact that some game servers were down for a while, some videogame releases were delayed and some investors lost money that qualifies this article for "enduring notability"? 24.69.71.254 (talk) 23:29, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Because it is covered in reliable sources. In effect, all recent articles of this kind are news in one way or another. You also ignored the commentary by industry specialists on the potential impact of the tsunami on the worldwide gaming industry - this right here is certainly not news. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, all articles on the tsunami are "effectively news" but I don't think anyone would argue that the tsunami is not a notable event for many years to come. You seem to be saying that this particular article, which is effectively a recap of recent business news, is of enduring notability because it contains speculation on future events by industry specialists. Amazing. Are you joking? 24.69.71.254 (talk) 00:01, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Are you implying that speculation by verifiable sources do not qualify? The point is, you appear to be speculating that nothing will come of it that will venture outside the realm of news, in spite of these industry experts saying otherwise. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

"Video games analyst Michael Pachter commented that it was difficult to assess how much impact the disaster will have" "Investment research company Zachs describes the situation as uncertain" (Emphasis mine)... Is this what you mean? I've got to be honest, I don't understand what you're driving at. Do you believe it possible that the video game industry in Japan is RUINED FOREVER because of this disaster? Is that what you mean by consequences "outside the realm of news"? 24.69.71.254 (talk) 00:27, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

No one here whatsoever argued that the industry would be ruined forever. It does not have to be faux-apocalypse levels of ruin of the industry for it to be a major impact. However, I must note your selective quoting - you've failed to mention how Pachter commented that Sony was in a bad situation, and the growing threat of a nuclear meltdown could put the industry in dire straights, and that hardware delays could hurt the gaming industry worldwide. Even Zachs discusses the potential threat of severe damage to the Japanese industry if a nuclear meltdown were to occur. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:35, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

If you say "it's difficult to assess, but..." or "the situation is uncertain, but..." immediately you're in the real of speculation. I just can't see the value of things like this being on Wikipedia. Wikipedia should be a little more patient in letting the facts reveal themselves. 24.69.71.254 (talk) 00:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

They are industry experts; you can't just throw the word speculation out as an inherent negative. If we are talking about someone who is paid to analyze a specific industry, then their job is to speculate. They qualify as reliable sources. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

What you say about analysts is true, I am just suprised that you seem to think it is within the domain of Wikipedia to publish such things. If Zachs said invest in Coca Cola because they believed the stock price was going up this year would Wikipedia would publish that too? 24.69.71.254 (talk) 01:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

That is a different kind of situation. This is a potential crisis point in the industry which Zachs is commenting on. They are not giving business advice, they are commenting on what may come in the industry. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

To an investment analyst, the two questions are fundamentally identical. The ultimate goal is to determine whether an investment is worth holding or not, which includes an understanding of industry conditions. The fact that someone is paid for their speculations doesn't make their speculations any more factual; it just means that their guesses are more educated. In any case their speculations in this case amount to "things are going to be bad for a while, we don't know how bad or how long for" - no better than common sense. This is because, as you say, it is a crisis and the full extent of the damage to the industry is still unknown. An analyst in this case is in the dark as much as anybody. 24.69.71.254 (talk) 01:33, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

An analyst is not in the dark as much because they have expertise in this field. Their analysis has clearly NOT been "things are bad, we don't know how long for". They blatantly commented on how the worsening of the nuclear situation could cause detrimental harm to the industry. That is clearly outside the realm of simple common sense speculation, but making specific observations about specific parts of the industry. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:29, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

With respect you don't seem to be bothering to read the sources. The full quote from the original article is '"Obviously, if the threat of a nuclear plant meltdown materializes, things could get much worse," Pachter said. "I just can't guess what will happen there."' - emphasis mine. Thanks for the expert analysis Mr Pachter! Why do you think he said "obviously"? The worsening of the nuclear situation would mean more disruption and havoc for the population and infrastructure of Japan and perhaps more to the point, would make investors even more nervous. Anyone even slightly educated in finance could tell you these things; you do not need to ask an expert. I don't think you understand the distinction between notable and verifiable, to be honest. 24.69.71.254 (talk) 02:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Do not think that I do not appreciate your concerns, and am working to alleviate them. However, I do not view the inclusion of these analysts' views as inappropriate. They are The analysis demonstrates the uncertainty, and would go to help to say that the situation is uncertain. Without such sources, we could not say anything, as it would be synthesis. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Even if you were to say that the comment on the nuclear situation was irrelevant, he still comments on Sony's impact from the disaster and the potential impact on the United States gaming industry from hardware delays. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

There's another point that I think the IP user has missed. This article isn't a final version, it will constantly change. In a year's time it might read that every negative possibility happened, or it may read that it's too early to say, or in three months it may read that everything is back to normal and all of the doom mongers were wrong. The article will reflect whatever happens. - X201 (talk) 08:52, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

BBC cover supply chain issues

Japan supply chain issues emerge - X201 (talk) 09:15, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Does not mention videogames whatsoever. Only have a tentative connection through the iPad being used sometimes for gaming. Not really appropriate for this article. Dragonmaw (talk) 20:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The iPad and the iPhone are considered important and viable gaming platforms, hence all the coverage of iOS4 games.LedRush (talk) 20:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Someone should write an Impact of the 2011 Tohoku tsunami and earthquake (and nuclear incidents) on the electronics industry article instead. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 07:24, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

You are more than welcome to. I'm sure that there are number of sources to create the article. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 14:23, 24 March 2011 (UTC))

Can't write new articles, new article creation is restricted to autoconfirmed users, if it weren't, I think alot of people would have created several different articles by now, like it was in the old days, when article creation throughput was much higher. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 23:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

PlayStation Network users donate over $1 million

http://www.vg247.com/2011/04/05/playstation-japan-relief-effort-brings-in-1-3-million/ - X201 (talk) 09:29, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

NGP possibly delated by earthquake (and other delays and cancellations

http://kotaku.com/#!5788850/japans-earthquake-could-cause-delays-for-sonys-ngp

LedRush (talk) 23:55, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Disaster Report 4 was cancelled because of the earthquake. [1]

A list of other delayed games. [2] LedRush (talk) 18:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Possible addition: Speed Demos Archive marathon

Link (can rot in time). They reportedly had a streamed run spree of sorts, where viewers and other visitors were encouraged to donate. Donations are to go to Doctors without borders. Money raising ends on 16 April, total sum nears 25,000 dollars. Reluctant to add myself, because sum may seem not that significant, and despite the banner who knows what DWB could spend those money on. 213.171.63.227 (talk) 10:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

New Kotaku Article on Impact on the Game Industry and 3DS and PSP

http://kotaku.com/#!5792388/how-did-the-japanese-earthquake-impact-the-3ds-the-psp

LedRush (talk) 15:03, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

General case of disaster and video games

Discussed here

• Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#On_VGs_and_the_coronavirus

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