Talk:History of the ambulance

Orphaned references in History of the ambulance

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of History of the ambulance's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "SJA2":

• From Ambulance: "St John Ambulance First Aid Cover for Events". St John Ambulance UK. Retrieved 2007-06-02.
• From Emergency medical services: "St John Ambulance First Aid Cover for Events". Retrieved 2007-06-02.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC) the ambulance was made by Dominique Jean Larrey he was a cheif sergon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CA:8000:9140:9DF7:C0DC:84AA:681 (talk) 15:08, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Move to life saving, not just transporting

(1) I am not aware that UK ambulances were ever based on car chassis. (2) The change from "scoop and run" to "mobile hospital" is controversial. In the UK, there are often complaints about delay in sending ambulances and it could be argued that a large number of "vans with stretchers" would be better than a small number of "mobile hospitals". Biscuittin (talk) 10:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Shift to truck and van based motor units

<!--, which were further exacerbated by the downsizing of full-size automobiles during the late-1970's-->

The above text was added to the article's discussion of the shift from car-based to truck- and van-based ambulances - I've placed it here to gather more input, and because it was entered as hidden text. Have other editors seen this listed as a cause for the shift away from car-based ambulances? I'm only familiar with the U.S. market, but there the only reason I ever remember seeing for the shift away from cars was due to the increased need for space and equipment. Certainly Keuhl, the reference now in place, only cites these reasons. Further, U.S. ambulances were typically based off of the same chassis as limousines and hearses, which I don't think were affected by the downsizing that affected full-sized cars in the 1970s - even a 2012 model year hearse can accept a recumbent (lying down) person. Other editors, please comment; a non-U.S. view would be particularly helpful, though I encourage other U.S. folks to comment, too. I am also posting an invitation for comment on the talk page of the editor who added this info. --Badger151 (talk) 23:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I hid it on purpose, and for the record, despite the fact that car-based ambulances are based on the same chassis as limos and hearses, they were affected by the downsizing of cars in the late-1970's as well. Furthermore hearses don't require as much medical equipment as an ambulance does, nor do they provide the opportuntity for ambulance crews to stand up, which they shouldn't. ----DanTD (talk) 01:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree that non-ambulance professional cars (hearses and limos) don't need to carry the medical equipment that an ambulance does. And I agree that non-ambulance professional cars don't provide an opportunity for their passengers/crews to stand up. But I remain confused as to how the general shrinking of cars made car-based ambulances less practical, since I believe that professional cars didn't shrink significantly during this period - for instance, the interior room of a 1959 hearse is about the same as that of a 1981 hearse. Or am I mistaken - does the 1981 hearse have less "cargo" space? If so, then certainly a 1981 car-based ambulance would be less practical, based on that alone. --Badger151 (talk) 03:39, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm surprised the interior room of a 1959 hearse would be equal to a 1981. On the other hand, if it were just for a hearse, it wouldn't matter as much as with an amublance. Try comparing a 1971 Cadillac ambulance, limousine or hearse to a 1981 Caddy. The body overall is smaller and compromises space. Have you invited anyone else in on this discussion? I realize this is primarily written fom a North American view(not simply a U.S. view), and from what I've read parts of Europe still use car-based ambulances, but that doesn't mead that other people shouldn't be involved. ----DanTD (talk) 04:06, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't think this can go in without a source. As Badger suggests, I don't see why these commercial cars like hearses would be smaller now than previously (especially as the size of people has gone up). In Europe, the trend has been to bigger cars, and cars now are signifcantly larger than their 1950s equivalents. So, as per WP:V, we need a source, or it has to go. OwainDavies ^(about)_(talk) edited at 08:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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