Talk:Hirohito surrender broadcast/Archive 1

Archive 1

The line

"nine days after the detonation at Hiroshima" is an important detail because it puts the date of the broadcast into context. It's hardly an irrelevant detail. Manning 03:54, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

I agree the context has to be made clear. But then what about other events? Like the bombing at Nagasaki or Soviet's invasion. I am not against making context clear but the way it is done. I wasn't sure how to fix so I simply removed it with a hope that someone might can come up with a better idea. -- Taku 01:47, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

What happenned to the storming of the palace?

The fact that the imperial palace was stormed by so many officers is new to me. However, the article should specify more about this battle. Why did it fail? What happenned to the officers? Volland 12:56, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

There should be more info on this around. I'll go and find the original links I used, and then see if I can get more detail from somewhere. Manning 05:01, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Here's a link for the Japan Times. I'll see what else I can find.Manning 05:06, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Language

Where can I find more information about the type of Japanese used in this? I know some Japanese, but I looked at the Japanese Wikisource's copy and it was entirely unintelligible. There is no Hiragana. Could some tell me about this? Perhaps we could add on a link or article about the form of Japanese used by the Emperor in this declaration. ありがとう！ --LakeHMM 04:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

The language was reorganized after the war; it's a form of classical Japanese, which had a few extra sounds, a few different structures, etc. The article on classical Japanese is more equivalent to middle English, though; the article you want to see is Historical kana usage which does go in to some of the changes made in 1946. IIRC,. the article here also says that the emperor spoke an archaic form of court Japanese, and since classical Japanese reached its peak during the Heian period, it may well be related to that. --Golbez 15:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I wish the articles on it were more in depth. I just think it's interesting because it doesnt look like there are any verb conjugations, just a bunch of kanji tied together by a few katakana particles here and there. --LakeHMM 20:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

About the only word I know in proper Japanese is "Japan" (日本), and I can't actually see it in the text! Mind you though, wouldn't just "a bunch of Kanji, no verb conjugations and the odd Katakana particle" actually be a lot easier to learn? XD 86.129.60.5 (talk) 21:27, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Criticism of article by professor

The Wikipedia help desk received the following e-mail from a Japanese professor.

"Some of my students made a same error in their paper on the Imperial Rescript on the Termination of the War (The Imperial Rescript on Surrender is wrong., because the emperor did not mention surrender at all. It did not did the Soviet Entry of the war and the war with China, either. ) I found that they used the Wikipedia's entry on Gyokuon Hoso.

Gyokuon Hoso literally means a broadcast of the emperor's voice. So the entry should be started as follows,

The Imperial Rescript on the Termination of the War read by the emperor himself was broadcasted at noon on Agust 15, 1945. This radio broadcast was known as the Gyokuon Hoso. This Imperial broadcast announcement informed the people that the Japanese government had accepted the Potsdam Declaration demanding the Japanese unconditional surrender."

I have made some corrections to the introduction accordingly. Capitalistroadster 07:53, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Still wasn't quite right; I attempted to distinguish the two more clearly. As the professor said, Gyokuon-hoso is only the broadcast itself, during which the surrender document (the Rescript) was read out. Jpatokal 11:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Req. for info about the recording

Does anyone have information about the disposition of the "record" that the Emperor's speech was recorded onto (and then played back over the radio)? English language histories I've looked at sometimes mention it (especially in the context of how the hard-liners tried destroying it before broadcast) but I've been unable to find anything further.

(For that matter, anyone have technical details about the type of recording and the equipment?)

When I speak to Japanese acquaintances, those who acknowledge knowing what I'm talking about tend to change the subject.

Thanks Wiki-ny-2007 (talk) 15:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Text differences

The text used here is very clearly different from that used at Surrender of Japan, particularly in the crucial case of explicit mention of the word "surrender" as opposed to "accept the terms of the Potsdam Declaration". If nobody can establish the provenance of the translation used here I will go ahead and replace it with the translation used at Surrender of Japan, which to all appearances is more accurate. Slac speak up! 08:59, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

What part of “English” Wikipedia don’t we understand here?

“Gyokuon-hōsō” for an English-language Wikipedia? Get real. Greg L (talk) 22:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

It pleases me that you made a constructive proposition, like another name, rather than just doing a drive-by complaint. Oh wait... --Golbez (talk) 17:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Surely names don't get translated? A person called Kiku Tanaka isn't going to have their article renamed to "Chrysanthanem Middle of the field". 86.129.60.5 (talk) 21:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Text

The message was delivered in formal Japanese. Shouldn't the section on "full text" give that, with an English translation?119.224.13.116 (talk) 20:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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2015 Remastered recording

I've seen several news articles mentioning a newly release remastered version of the recording.:

• http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/08/02/japan-releases-digital-recording-of-emperors-wwii-ending-speech.html
• http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2015/08/02/2003624475
• http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/japan-releases-master-recording-of-emperors-war-end-speech-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=86285&NewsCatID=356

The last link mentions this new version available here: http://www.kunaicho.go.jp/ but knowing very little Japanese I can not find it. Could someone maybe find it and upload it here if possible.VzjrZ (talk) 08:17, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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"Women's underwear"?

Please tell me a reliable source where it states the Jewel Voice recording was "successfully smuggled out of the palace in a laundry basket of women's underwear." The two citations say nothing of the sort. This needs to be properly cited or deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 240F:15:4C08:1:41D6:3DC1:6215:6650 (talk) 02:58, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Extremely late, but I have removed the part about women's underwear after consulting the book 'The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire', which provides an authoritative account to the events of that day. Seloloving (talk) 20:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)