Talk:Hezekiah Leonard Clark Jr.

Hezekiah Leonard Clark, Jr. Bare URL's

As most of the issues with the bare URL's has been addressed, is it possible that his tag can be removed as I continue to work on the article.

Thank you for your assistance.Elaine58 (talk) 01:39, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Hezekiah Leonard Clark, Jr. (Orphan and Specific Categories Tags)

In reference to the article being an orphan, I have been working very hard to try to link Mr. Clark’s article to another article utilizing all available resources and the find links tool for suggestions and have been unable to do so.

In reference to the needs additional or more specific categories tag, I have worked on this article on Mr. Clark and I have covered everything and tried to be as specific as possible and making sure that the information is presented under the correct categories.

I ask if you would please consider removing the tags. Thank you very much for your assistance and any additional information that you can provide.

Elaine58 (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I added Mr. Clark to List of Loyola University New Orleans people#Politics which technically takes care of the Orphan status. Please edit the listing as you see fit--I focused on his Ward 9 political activities and his marksmanship, but you may find a better way to list him. Since he has degrees from other colleges, you can add him to their lists of notable alumni, too. Cheers! --Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 06:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Chris and Elaine,

I have substituted the MSgt insignia and converted the bare htmls. I have another suggestion: many of the citations do not pertain to the subject because they are the generic homepage website of an organization rather than sources that provide information about Mr. Clark. I think they distract from the article, and suggest removal of # 1-6, 8-20, 38, 45, 77-84, and also suggest converting citations of wikipedia to wikilinks. My hesitation is from ignorance of citation requirements for relatively non-controversial facts that may not have been published in a reliable 3rd-party source. I'm a relatively new editor, so wanted to check with you before I get too BOLD. Cheers! --Grand'mere Eugene (User talk:Grand'mere Eugene) 09:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Hezekiah Leonard Clark, Jr.

{Re-posted here from User talk:Grand'mere Eugene}
Hi Eugene, In reference to your suggestions, I have the following response.

1. 1-6 applies specifically to Mr. Clark as the DD 214 documents his military service dates for the U.S. Marine Corps and the U.S. Army and was issued by the Department of Defense.

1. 8-20 gives the schools and universities where Mr. Clark received his education and includes where he served as an Adjunct Professor which was also a part of his military career. I feel it would be an injustice to Mr. Clark not to include this information.

1. 38 is the U.S. Marine Corps official website which I feel is appropriate for a retired veteran as it gives information about that branch of the military in which he served his country.

1. 45 is the NRA official website for which he is a life member and he earned the rating of Master Shooter, the highest rating of the National Rifle Association and he have membership in the very exclusive NRA "2650 Club.”

1. 77-85 specifies Mr. Clark’s masonic organization affiliations and other affiliations which is a very important part of his accomplishments and contributions to his community.

I do not feel that these items should be removed.

Thank you for your help.

Elaine58 (talk) 04:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

@Elaine58 and Chris1834: Elaine, I'm sorry. I'm having problems understanding how those particular sources meet the WP:V and WP:NOR policies, specifically from the policy on no original research:

"...you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented."

Of the citations I question, Mr. Clark's DD214s are not published, they are Mr. Clark's personal documents that comprise original research. The remaining citations do not directly support the facts you present, as none of them specifically mention Mr. Clark. Yes, they are official websites, but other editors could not verify the facts in the article by consulting these sources. Please understand, I do not question the facts you present, nor do I mean disrespect of Mr. Clark's impressive career. I do question the merits of including citations that are irrelevant to verifying the facts in the article. Thanks for considering my comments. --Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:33, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Updated recommendations for references

Hello, again, Elaine,

I strongly recommend deleting all citations that do not directly support facts presented. There are plenty of good citations that verify Mr. Clark's notable career as a marksman, membership in NRA 2650 club, attaining Masons' highest order, presidency of NInth Ward Voters' League, and service on the Louisiana State Commissioner Stress Analysts Board. Specifically, I have been able to verify the following numbered references which actually discuss or mention Mr. Clark:

7. his mother’s obituary verifies his birthdate, and is published in reliable source

21. through 37 and 39. through 44 - accounts of shooting awards verify notability and Army service

45. lists membership in NRA 2650 club

76. verifies attaining Mason’s highest order

86. mentions Hezekiah Clark as president of Ninth Ward Citizens Voter’s League

89. is a 16-page auditor's report w/ 17th page a letter signed by Hezekiah Clark

60.-75 should be wikilnks rather than citations that do not mention Mr. Clark.

Best, --Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:38, 30 August 2014 (UTC)