Talk:Heru-ra-ha

citations

I'd like to see some references to where this is from egyption mythology. This will help validate some of the names within Thelema. Zos 01:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok. The citation tags were removed. This article does not cite its sources. I'm coming to conclusion that it was removed to avoid citation. Zos 21:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Crowley's Book of the Law IS the source. Would you prefer it appear in standard referential format, is that it? wikipediatrix 21:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Why yes I would. And I'm very aware of where the majoirty of the information comes from, but this is still not the point. Articles need to be cited for the readers as Wikipedia:Citing sources informs us. Zos 22:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

The part here about Hadit does not come from Liber AL and furthermore seems demonstrably false; Crowley never mentioned the name Behdty, and the article I mentioned at Stele of Revealing gives this name to the winged solar disk that appears on many Egyptian artifacts. (I guess the wording could make sense, if someone thinks AC actually learned of Hadit earlier from some unrelated source. Actually, no, because the current wording suggests that AC claimed someone developed Hadit from Behdty. He actually attributes the name to Aiwass, and makes no definitive claim as to why his source used the names that it did.) I was puzzled at first because I don't know why "the names within Thelema" would require validation. But I fully agree with sourcing all claims in the article. Dan 04:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Similarly, "Horus and Ra be Praised!" seems like someone else's translation of the name Crowley got from Liber AL. Dan 07:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've changed (some of) the unsourced statements. From my internet research, Heru-ra-ha seems to mean "Horus the sun (who is a) mansion". This identifies him with Hathor, allowing him to be not just his own father but his own mother as well. Or "ha" could mean Ha (mythology). Or perhaps it stands for "this name equals Abrahadabra by Hebrew gematria". This would all count as original research, I think. Dan 18:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

It took me a while to figure out why someone cited Liber V as saying that the descending red triangle symbolized Ra-Hoor-Khuit. This claim does appear in the annotated Liber V at sacred-texts.org, but the comment does not come from Crowley. Presumably it derives from his comment to Chapter 69 of the Book of Lies, where he says this triangle means Horus -- but Hadit/Haidith also counts as a form of Horus in Egyptian mythology. Another reference says the whole hexagram refers to Ra-Hoor-Khuit while the triangles show Nuit and Hadit. Dan 19:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

"Thelema, a religion adapted from the philosophy of Francois Rabelais"

This quote, at the very beginning of the Wikipedia entry for Heru-ra-ha:

"Thelema, a religion adapted from the philosophy of François Rabelais in 1904 with the writing of The Book of the Law by Aleister Crowley."

seems eminently debatable. First of all, there is some argument over whether Thelema is a religion, a philosophy, a religious philosophy, or neither. And second, I strongly disagree with the statement that Thelema was "adapted from the philosophy of Francois Rabelais." Read the relevant excerpt from Gargantua et Pantagruel side by side with Liber Legis, and it's abundantly clear that it was not "adapted" from Rabelais.75.111.161.156 (talk) 09:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Second anonymous user, at 209.30.128.209, why do you disagree with me and the first anonymous user? As I said in my edit summary, the source just doesn't say what the article claims it says. You can easily check for yourself. Dan (talk) 01:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay...did a little clean up.

I changed the formatting of the citations of Liber AL vel Legis to be more user-friendly, linking them to the sacredtexts url where the book can be found and also stating clearly where it can be found. The reason why I changed this from the old version of AL III:12 is because it can throw off non-Thelemites who are looking at the page and wondering what this means.

Also, I edited some grammatical mistakes in the "Passive Aspect" section. Nothing huge: I just made it more understandable. I did take out the verse within that section though, mainly because there are already many excerpts within this article and the verse I took out seemed as though someone put it in there solely for the sake of having extra content within that section. Okay, feel free to scrutinize. FUTURI (talk) 19:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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