Talk:Hawken School

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According to Hawken's About Us page, the official motto is "That the better self shall prevail, and each generation introduce its successor to a higher plane of life." There is no second that.--Alex 01:04, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Please stop adding irrelevant names to the list of notable alumni; it reeks of self promotion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.77 (talk) 22:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Does anyone know/have an explanation for why the majority of this article was removed recently? I didn't really see anything wrong with it... Paulbkirk 14:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why the majority of the article was removed. It represented a lot of effort by somebody. If the author still has it, I would appreciate it if he or she would put it back up. -Larry Siegel '71

Reverted back to a more complete version of the Hawken wikpedia page from February. It could still stand to be cleaned up a bit. Brettgo1 21:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Current student here - Hawken School actually asks for around 10k USD more than their current tuition, saying that it is required for the "full Hawken experience" - Scott D. Looney, 2022. If someone could change that, it'd be more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.194.21 (talk) 02:44, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism

I just reverted some vandalism. I did note that this article is more of an advertisement for the school than an encyclopedia article, but criticisms should be documented and cited. Likewise, some of the claims in the current article should be better referenced; otherwise, they are unsubstantiated cheerleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chmrjg (talk • contribs) 15:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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Recent Edits 11/6/2017

Recent edits to notable alumni were undone by user "John from Idegon", redone by me. Edits were the following:

• added Scott Frankel, class of 1981, has his own Wikipedia page
• added Doug Katz, not on Wikipedia but should be - creative chef, opened several restaraunts, numerous articles about him, in those he's called "the Alice Waters of Cleveland" [!!]
• added class year (1980) for Marc Gillinov
• added Saturday Night Live ref for Molly Shannon, it's the main item on her Wikipedia page
• deleted period after Justine Spiegel for consistency with other entries

Why were ALL of these undone by J from I? Sullidav (talk) 01:17, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I repositioned your comment out of the middle of a discussion from 10 years ago and put it at the bottom of the page where it belongs. I also edited the mark-up so it would show properly in the table of contents, added a date to the header for clarity, and fixed the mark-up so it could be read.

To reply

• Frankel has no reference to show his connection to the school, which is required per WP:NLIST. A reference is actually required here, but most editors will overlook that if it is referenced in the person's bio. It isn't.
• Katz has no indication of notability. This is best shown by creating a bio for him, and again is required by NLIST. Since there is no article or sources, of course his connection to the school is also unsourced.
• Grad year for Gillinov is unsourced. It is also of dubious interest to anyone not associated with the school. A Wikipedia article on a school is not here for the school or its alumni, it's here for pretty much everyone else. When an edit is reverted for being unsourced, sources are required prior to replacement.
• Per the guidelines for notable alumni sections on school articles, all a listing is to include is the wikilinked name and their primary notability. A particular role isn't why she's notable. She'd still be notable without SNL.
• The last item was correct, but when the bulk of a single edit is not correct, that's going to happen.

I hope that explains it. John from Idegon (talk) 02:25, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Everything already in that "notable alumni" section is unsourced and those edits improved it, making it more consistent - your reversion twice of them made the page worse, not better. Most people's pages don't say where they went to high school, or if they do, it is not sourced. I will leave them out but you are making Wikipedia worse not better. Sullidav (talk) 04:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree, Wikipedia is full of crap. Everyone here is a volunteer, and stuff gets cleaned up as it gets cleaned up. Let me ask you a question, Sullidav. What about the dog taking a dump in living room suggests that the solution to the problem is to bring more dogs in to crap in the other rooms of the house? That's the lame argument you just made. John from Idegon (talk) 04:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

This entire page was out of date and badly structured. I updated and rewrote it, trying to keep in most of the same material but reorganized and shortened. I added citations where I could. I reinstated a huge deletion of about half the page, but then rewrote that and scaled it down a lot. See what you think. Sullidav (talk) 05:10, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

What would be cool to add to this page, if somebody has the skill and time to do this project, is an illustration - a Cleveland area map, showing the location of Hawken's different campuses at different times. There is a story here, the same as where American baseball stadia and other sports complexes are placed, of being in the city proper around the turn of the 20th century, moving out to the near suburbs between the world wars, moving way out to the boonies in the 60s and 70s, and then moving back into the city and then the city center around the turn of the the 21st century (so Gries Center is placed like Ansel Road, the same as Camden Yards is like Wrigley Field). The map would show 1 - Ansel Road 1915-X, 2 - Ansel Road X-1922, 3 - Lyndhurst 1922-present, 4 - "Gates Mills" 1961-present, 5 - University Circle 2010-present, 6 - Birchwood 2016-present, and 7 - Gordon Square, future. Sullidav (talk) 06:29, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Nothing, and I mean nothing, goes in here without reliable independent sources. I have 0 idea what you are talking about with the map notion above. Please explain how that will benefit someone totally unfamiliar with this school? How would a map of the neighborhood inform someone from St. Paul or Winnemucca about this place? What portion of the copy would it illustrate in a way to communicate an understanding of the written subject matter in a way words cannot? John from Idegon (talk) 07:07, 10 November 2017 (UTC)