Talk:Harvard Extension School
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Student Association edit
To mention Student Association is not trivia, it's a fact. A whole lot of other articles have explicitly stated it with references - Harvard College (see Student organizations), Yale College (Student organizations). What are these? How is it there are two set of rules for two different articles? These double standards should stop and one set of rules should be applied to all. This shows nothing but bias. The Harvard Extension Student Association (HESA) has five different societies:[1] HES Psychological Student Society,[2] HES Creative Writing & Literature Student Society, HES Industrial Organizational Psychology Student Society,[3] HES Global Development Practice Student Society, and HES Veteran Student Society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.171.16.184 (talk) 17:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- While I would remind anon to WP:AGF, I tend to agree with her. There is a whole article on List of Harvard College undergraduate organizations. I don't think a paragraph here is undue. --Slugger O'Toole (talk) 18:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Other articles may also have undue information and that has little bearing on this article. I also think that it might be a bad idea to look to articles about Ivy League universities as role models - there is more written about those universities than most universities making it very problematic to try to compare other articles to theirs.
- That the institution has student organizations is not noteworthy. We need secondary sources to support the assertion that these specific student organizations are noteworthy. Or at least some kind of credible attempt to tell readers and editors why those specific organizations are so important that they merit inclusion in an encyclopedia article that is attempting to summarize the entire history, organization, resources, accomplishments, and challenges of this school. ElKevbo (talk) 01:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Who decides what is undue and not noteworthy. Have you guys read other Wikipedia articles? If you go to University of Oxford, there is a section on "Student life" - and sub-sections called Traditions, Clubs and societies and also Student union and common rooms. Why are this useless information there as well? Same way, if you go to University of Cambridge, there is a section called "Societies". As I said before, how is it there are two set of rules for two different articles? These double standards should stop and one set of rules should be applied to all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.171.16.184 (talk) 06:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Notability policies are for articles, not content. Also, it seems to me that a single sentence about student clubs is exactly why WP:ABOUTSELF was written. This content meets all five of those requirements and is a textbook example of times we can use a primary source. -- Slugger O'Toole (talk) 14:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "The HESA Societies". Harvard Extension Student Association. Retrieved 2023-08-01.
- ^ "HES Psychological Student Society". Harvard Extension Student Association. Retrieved 2023-08-01.
- ^ "HES Industrial Organizational Psychology Student Society". Harvard Extension Student Association. Retrieved 2023-08-01.
Proposal not accepted edit
@Arbor to SJ: took out some content with a subject line saying that "message boards are not reliable sources." I reverted, pointing out that there were two citations for that sentence, including one from the Harvard Crimson. Arbor reverted again instead of coming here to talk, once again focusing on the message board. I am not going to edit war over this but will assume that Arbor has missed the fact that there are two citations, one of which is specifically named as an RS. I will revert one more time however, now that it the point is clear on talk. --Slugger O'Toole (talk) 20:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- The Harvard Crimson article was about the proposal to rename the extension school, but the assertion about the proposal being rejected was sourced to the message board. User-generated sites like message boards are generally not accepted as reliable sources.
- The Crimson also has this follow-up article from March 2010 about the renaming proposal, but it doesn't explicitly support the assertion about the proposal being rejected. Arbor to SJ (talk) 21:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)