Talk:Haitian Football Federation

Use of non-free images

Non-free images such as File:FHFhaiti.jpeg, File:FHF alternate (old).jpg, and File:FHFhaiti 74.png must satisfy all 10 of the criteria listed in WP:NFCCP. This includes WP:NFCC#8: "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." If the logos were used being used in the infobox as the primary means of identification, then the contextual significance required by NFCC#8 is considered to be satisfied. When non-free images are not being used as the primary means of identification of the subject of the article, "contextual significance" is much hard to satisfy. If, for example, there was some discussion of the former logos themselves within the article that was supported by reliable sources (reliable sources are needed per WP:NOR), it could be argued that the images are essential to the reader's understanding and removal of them with be detrimental to that understanding. The images, however, were being used in what is essentially a gallery/table type way with no critical discussion of the image at all (i.e., for essentially "decorative" purpose) which is something that is not allowed for non-free images.

In addition to the above, File:Federation Haitienne de Football.png is already being used in the infobox to identify the organization. Using it again in the same article is not needed per WP:NFCC#3a because no additional information is being provided that would require a second use. Using it again in such a way is purely "decorative" so it fails NFCC#8. It also fails WP:NFCC#10c because a separate, specific non-free rationale is required for each use, not each article. - Marchjuly (talk) 10:20, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Since the use of former logos in this article was compared to the use of former logos in Portland Trail Blazers, Real Madrid C.F. and Ottawa Senators, the following should be pointed out:

• The composition of the former logo used in Portland Trailblazers#Franchise inception is somehwhat discussed in the article by the sentence "Derived from the trail blazing activity by explorers making paths through forests, Glickman considered a name that could “reflect both the ruggedness of the Pacific Northwest and the start of a major league era in our state.” Despite initial mixed response, the Trail Blazers name, often shortened to just "Blazers", became popular in Oregon." and this discussion is supported by a reliable source.
• Same goes for the former logos in Real Madrid C.F.#Emblem evolution where the logos themselves are the subject of sourced discussion.
• One of the former logos in Ottawa Senators#History is the subject of sourced commentary later on in the article in Ottawa Senators#Logo and jersey design, but the other is not which means it does not satisfy WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFC#Meeting the contextual significance criteria. Therefore, it should not be used.

If there was sourced discussion about the former FHF logos within the article itself, then they would be relevant to the reader's understanding and it would be detrimental to that understanding to remove them. There is no such discussion or even mention of them at all, however, in the body of the article which means the logos are primarily being used for "decorative" purposes. This is something that is not allowed for non-free images. Moreover, adding a caption which essentially says "Former logo" is simply not enough to show the "contextual significance" required by NFCC#8. The caption "Haiti's 1974 FIFA World Cup logo; the red and black colors of Duvalier's national flag of Haiti" is more descriptive, but it is unsourced (See WP:NOR) and again not something which is included in the body of the article. If the image is significant because of its use as the team's logo in the 1974 World Cup, then this should be discussed within the article and supported by a reliable source. If the image is significant because of its connection to a former government, then this should be discussed in the article and supported by a reliable source.

Finally, WP:NFCC#3a was mentioned because in this old version of the article the same non-free image (File:Federation Haitienne de Football.png) was being used twice: once in the infobox as the primary means of identification and once in "Club crest and colours". This is something that is not allowed since the same information could be more than adequately provided by a single use within the infobox. - Marchjuly (talk) 06:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)