Talk:Gush Katif/Archive 1

Archive 1

A miracle? Says who?!

I wonder if this saying can be backed-up with facts:

...causing so far only property damage and a few fatalities; a fact which the residents attribute to God's supervision (i.e., a miracle).

Or should just be removed? Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.65.205.231 (talk) 00:40, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean?

Are you talking about the heavenly supervision factor, or the small number of fatalities?

I'm talking about the "heavenly supervision factor". Where did it come from? --conio.h 00:59, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Unverified claims

Two unverified claims removed (first arab action, hothouses). 24.84.40.22 07:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Why are there no references for the more provocative statements in this piece? E.g. that Pal teens tried to kill settler children, or the two I just removed? Please cite verifiable sources. Furthermore, in the interest of NPOV, the article states that the local people were peacefully coexisting, but other Palestinians didn't have good relations with the Gush Katif settlers. If this is the case (and I don't agree that it is), it should be properly documented and cited. Otherwise it just looks like this article is a smear against Palestinians. 24.84.40.22 07:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

For the burning synagogoue claim, please see [1] for report on Palestinian destruction of synagogues. There are plenty of photographs available.

--Shuki 10:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

faulty hebrew translation

Sorry for missing this earlier, Iamdaniel replaced the common translation of the name Harvest Belt with the literal translation "gush" = side-piece, corner, or shoulder + "katiff" = mass of earth ... sort of "land on the corner (of Israel)" or "land on the edge". I suggest that a source for this translation be provided. --Shuki 21:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

User:SlimVirgin, please don't revert without entering the discussion. Thank you --Shuki 22:38, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

What, I shouldn't do what you've been doing, in other words? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me? I've commented on both issues thouroghly. In your haste to 'rv' you don't seem to notice that other changes are made (translation issue) other than the 'hot' image issue. Please don't abuse your admin status. --Shuki 22:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

LOL!! How am I abusing my admin status? You're being a revert warrior. You removed the image before leaving a note on the image talk page, then when you did and I responded, you ignored it.

I have the permission of that website to use their images. The problem is that we're not allowed to use images with permission only. I have explained that to them and have laid out the alternatives (public domain, free licences), and I'm waiting to hear their response. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

A) wiki policy advises to remove images that have copyright issues until problem settled. I did that, you violated the policy by reinserting it. B) your permission claim is not stated on the image page where you previously admitted to pulling it with no permission, C) I ignored your response for a whole 'two minutes'? It is documented that my changes and 'talking' are within minutes of each other. You could justify an accusation like that if several hours or days had gone by. Sorry for the delays, should I warn you now that I'm now turning off my PC? D) Next time, please leave a request for a free-use picture. Believe me, there are plently available.

I apologize to everyone else for the apparent personal/OT abuse of this discussion page. Peace. --Shuki 23:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Netzarim

While Netzarim was not physically part of GK, it is virtually always considered part of it since A) only until the last few years was Jewish travel banned on the Tenzer Road connectng it with GK and B) it also fell under the municipal jurisdiction of the Gush Katif Regional Council. --Shuki 17:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, but It's quite far from gush katif. Kfar darom is closer. I don't find one can make any comparison between the negtive thing rabin said about netzarim which is very close to gaza and is a much more sensitive issue than gush katif which he largely accepted and had no intention to evacuate. Amoruso 17:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge Gaza Strip Israeli Settlements to Gush Katif

merge - Gaza Strip Israeli Settlements is a well intentioned article, but redundant to Gush Katif and Israeli settlements. --Shuki 18:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

true. support. Amoruso 21:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• Question: Should the proposed merge go the other way? From what I can tell from the article, there were five Gaza Strip settlements that weren't part of Gush Katif, right? If there is a merge, should the final article be under a broader title like GSIS? Thanks, TheronJ 20:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• Also, for what it's worth, User:Will314159 opposes the merge but is blocked for another 6 days, so he can only say so on his talk page. Thanks, TheronJ 20:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure which way it should go, but I trust Shuki's judgement on this. Generally, the Israeli towns in Gaza are known as "Gush Katif" even when some weren't (because of majority and fame) so it might be ok to have only Gush Katif and mention the others in it as a section, not sure. Amoruso 20:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Good points by Will314159 and Theron. Under this context and background (went to will's talk page), I would not oppose retracting the original merge suggestion made by me. As for what flags people have on their user page, I think that A) it's their prerogative, B) the essence of the intent to change someone's userpage is not a healthy wp editor attitude. Go with the flow. A visit to Lebanon, for whatever reason and circumstances, warrants the blood stripes, white snow, and green cedar of the Flag of Lebanon. I hope that country manages to achieve true independance in the future. --Shuki 19:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Pictures!

Can someone please upload better pictures? The pictures currently posted portray Gush Katif as a deserted outpost - and anyone who was ever there knows this was far from the case. Pictures showing actual houses and neighborhoods would better show what Gush Katif really was. Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.56.218 (talk) 18:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Terrorism

Asa, your insistence that terrorism "implies concrete knowledge of intent" is on one hand preposterous, and the other hand, exactly proving that the 'violence' was terrorism. These thousands of attacks and mortar launchings were not aimed at army bases in Gush Katif, or the the soldier guarding the main gate to each settlement. They were specifically aimed at the civilian settlements and the civilian residents. Please read the article about terrorism. Do not white wash the 'violence'. --Shuki 20:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Words to avoid#Terrorist, terrorism:

Encyclopedic:

• X is on the U.S. Department of State's "Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations" list.
• X, identified by the Y government as responsible for the Z suicide bombings [or "who claimed responsibility for the Z suicide bombings"], is classified as a terrorist group by A, B and C [countries or bodies].
• Countries A, B and C regard X as a terrorist group [because...]

Not encyclopedic:

• X is a terrorist group.
• Y, leader of the X terrorists, ...
• After a rapid military response, the X terrorists abandoned the hostages.

Khoikhoi 07:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

So what happened?

Whay happened to all the houses? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.177.61.158 (talk) 01:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Abraham and Isaac

"Abraham and Isaac both living in the Gerar region" — as well as Abraham and Isaac being part of mythology rather than history (and sourcing otherwise is impossible), nobody knows where Gerar was. A common guess, Khirbet Umm Jerrar, is not in the Gaza Strip; other guesses are even further away. Zero^talk 23:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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Katif Bloc’s "pest-free advanced technology" greenhouses

This is the current text: "In the Katif Bloc’s greenhouses, advanced technology was used to grow pest-free leafy vegetables and herbs answering to the strictest health, aesthetic and religious requirements.[citation needed]" Having crops grow pest-free while not using any pesticides is a holy grail in agriculture. (A search on the secret behind these greenhouses brought me to this article) Can anyone support this or elaborate on this claim? For it could be that these greenhouses are really something interesting and noteworthy, and make a case for a new exciting technology. However the current text isn't that informative. Just claiming that they used advanced technology it is as informative as claiming that their hospital uses advanced technology to cure patients. This is fine for a description of Atlantis or a similar mythical place but not ideal for an encyclopedic article. Otter3 (talk) 03:15, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

It sounds like hype to me, as if copied from an advertisement. It is true that pest-free products without pesticides is a holy grail, but achieving it with a greenhouse to keep out the pests isn't so innovative. I think the sentence should be de-hyped unless someone comes up with a citation that explains it. Zero^talk 12:02, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Encyclopedic Tone

A cursory reading shows that there are conflicting accounts for this article. It is still possible to preserve the unbiased tone of Wikipedia when this happens. For example instead of saying: "This is what happened," and then in the very next sentence, "But this is what really happened," one might put "some accounts say this is what happened, while others say this." This is assuming that sources are cited for the differing accounts. Otherwise there may as well be two separate articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sotuman (talk • contribs) 19:27, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

i don't like how the 'terror attacks'it is no ok how they say we are the evil ones section on gush katif is written. "Gush Katif settlements have seen several attacks" - from what i know (my pastor has been over there several times and has a friend in the gush katif) this could probably be better written as "Gush Katif settlements consistently see attacks" and "were launched" should probably be "have been launched"... it's not as if they've stopped... have they? -sasha, ~2005-01-15 2232UTC~

You are right. I incorperated your remarks into the text. MathKnight 23:08, 15 January 2005 (UTC)

thanks. -sasha, ~2005-01-15 2348UTC~